Jonny Evans

Escobar · 30th November 2010, 22:22

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Originally Posted by Sunny Jim

the biggest thing that worries me is a certain pattern- he doesn't know how to defend crosses. when the ball arrives he neither marks his man nor jumps to head it out. he does nothing to prevent a striker from scoring.

Everton game, Blackburn and tonite's game can serve as an example

Thats what I noticed to. He's unable to just jump and head away. He always wants just to block the player, the same with back passes.

He needs to get back in form, maybe a loan or a spell in the reserves would do wonders

Cutch · 30th November 2010, 22:23

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Originally Posted by honcho

he looks weak and his body does not look as thou its developed over the last 12 months,physically needs to srengthen up,Will not make the grade with us after looking a certainty 18 months ago.

He's 22. Its far too early to say. How about we wait to see how he recovers from this rather than writing players off as soon as they hit a poor run of form in their career

jgraham · 30th November 2010, 22:24

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Originally Posted by RDCR07

I hope Evans does not read this forum. The amount of battering he is receiving here will want him to leave football all together.

Don't be so dramatic.

he's a professional footballer and as such should expect such stick.

However saying that I have concerns over his mental toughness and ability to get out of this slump mentally.

Mainoldo · 30th November 2010, 22:24

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Originally Posted by RDCR07

I hope Evans does not read this forum. The amount of battering he is receiving here will want him to leave football all together.

Well if he's that mentally weak maybe he should. His been crap but i'm sure he's well aware question is will he do something about it. We are all with in our right to discuss bad perfomances aswell as the good.

honcho · 30th November 2010, 22:24

remember when n.ireland played spain in the qualifiers about 18/24 months ago,he never give torres a kick in both games.Looked a real prospect then.

TheReligion · 30th November 2010, 22:28

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Originally Posted by Cutch

He's 22. Its far too early to say. How about we wait to see how he recovers from this rather than writing players off as soon as they hit a poor run of form in their career

You have to agree it is a huge worry. Look at Pique for instance and where his career is now. Evans is not going down the shitter, he is already down it.

He has been in this type of form for about 8 months now, maybe more.

MalteseRedDevil · 30th November 2010, 22:28

its amazing how his form has gone completely out the window this year. This is the same guy who nullified drogba more than once in the past. Surely the club must support him until he regains his true form.

The prob is that its hard to c how this is gonna happen. his confidence is shot and im not sure how hes gonna get it back. After this performance he may not even play agianst valencia and then god knows when he will play after that. Only injuries to the main duo could open the door but sureley brown and maybe smalling have moved ahead of him know.

Makki · 30th November 2010, 22:32

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Originally Posted by RDCR07

I hope Evans does not read this forum. The amount of battering he is receiving here will want him to leave football all together.

If he's that mentally weak, maybe that's what he should do?

Mainoldo posted almost the same thing

I'm just kidding, fucktards

honcho · 30th November 2010, 22:35

I wonder if the signing of smalling has pissed him off.

Cutch · 30th November 2010, 22:35

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Originally Posted by TheReligion

You have to agree it is a huge worry. Look at Pique for instance and where his career is now. Evans is not going down the shitter, he is already down it.

He has been in this type of form for about 8 months now, maybe more.

I agree'd with you that it is a worry, but not a major one at his age. Damm, i wish these 2 threads were merged

VoetbalWizard · 30th November 2010, 22:36

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Originally Posted by honcho

I wonder if the signing of smalling has pissed him off.

he's probably jealous that smalling most likely has a bigger cock

Makki · 30th November 2010, 22:37

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Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

he's probably jealous that smalling most likely has a bigger cock

That's racist-

TheReligion · 30th November 2010, 22:37

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Originally Posted by Cutch

I agree'd with you that it is a worry, but not a major one at his age. Damm, i wish these 2 threads were merged

This is where we disagree, I think it has become a major worry now.

The things he keeps getting wrong are really unforgivable for a centre half. He should be learning and improving from the likes of Rio and Vidic but he has gone the opposite way.

acnumber9 · 30th November 2010, 22:54

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Originally Posted by honcho

remember when n.ireland played spain in the qualifiers about 18/24 months ago,he never give torres a kick in both games.Looked a real prospect then.

Evans plays left back for Northern Ireland so it was more likely Craigan or Hughes who didn't give Torres a kick.

moyesmyhero · 30th November 2010, 23:10

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Originally Posted by acnumber9

Poor performances are one thing but his sheer lack of effort for Cole's goals was a disgrace. Hopefully getting dragged off will make him wise up.

Aye. He barely did anything to stop him from scoring.

Redfighter · 30th November 2010, 23:39

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Originally Posted by TheReligion

This is where we disagree, I think it has become a major worry now.

The things he keeps getting wrong are really unforgivable for a centre half. He should be learning and improving from the likes of Rio and Vidic but he has gone the opposite way.

He's nowhere near as good as some other young centre halfs around his age in the PL. I thought Smalling played quite well. Evans just looked unsure, slow and clueless. Poorest I've seen a United centre half for many years.

Orton · 30th November 2010, 23:42

He is fucking crap. Cant deal with tall strikers, cant deal with pacy strikers, cant deal with off the ball movement, cant run with the ball, cant pass. Overrated on here by way to many people. Had he played for anyone but us we'd be pissing ourselves.

vuc · 30th November 2010, 23:45

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Originally Posted by TheReligion

Add Fulham to his errors list..

And Bolton..

Everton..

johnmufc · 30th November 2010, 23:50

He's 22. Young and learning. He's already proven his quality against the likes of Zlatan and Drogba.

With that said, this slump is extremely worrying, as some of the errors he's making are very basic. I still think he'll go on to be a class defender, but it's also fair to raise some questions. He needs to get over this slump quickly. Lacks confidence in his own ability at the moment.

Crustanoid · 1st December 2010, 00:00

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Originally Posted by RDCR07

I hope Evans does not read this forum. The amount of battering he is receiving here will want him to leave football all together.

Yeah, I think if he read these posts he'd be pretty gutted

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Originally Posted by RDCR07

Johnny Evans you piece of shit. Has been shit all season. Worthless piece of crap.

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Originally Posted by RDCR07

We are talking about Evans being the fucking future of our defense. He is a worthless piece of shit. Fuck off Evans!

Cold_Boy · 1st December 2010, 02:42

I think the thing with Evans is that he needs to be out of the first team for some while.

He ll turn out a sqaud player for us for sure.Maybe a first teamer if he improves significantly.

Red Dreams · 1st December 2010, 02:53

dont think he will be on the bench even for quite some time. back to the reserves lad.

why oh why could not Brown have played instead.

sdb4884 · 1st December 2010, 04:03

I can't see Evans getting any better

Kelvin · 1st December 2010, 04:11

Evans is fecking rubbish.

Sky1981 · 1st December 2010, 04:28

Which is the knee jerk, evans being world class or evans being shit flop?

Last season he was hailed as the next Rio, and now he was hailed as 5th in the pecking order.

Surely one of the above is a knee jerk, should we poll on that?

kouroux · 1st December 2010, 04:36

He was shit, one of the worst defensive performances from a United player I've seen in a while.I just don't understand how his marking can be so loose when Cole isn't even the most mobile striker.
Joke of defending last night.I used to laugh when people were labelling him the best young defender and now that he's been shit for a while I tried to give the benefit of doubt

RDCR07 · 1st December 2010, 04:44

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Originally Posted by Sky1981

Which is the knee jerk, evans being world class or evans being shit flop?

Last season he was hailed as the next Rio, and now he was hailed as 5th in the pecking order.

Surely one of the above is a knee jerk, should we poll on that?

No one can be hailed 5th. He is dead last now.

reelworld · 1st December 2010, 05:05

Geez, it's the fucking Carling Cup. The way I see it, less game for us so we could focused on more important achievement. Do you honestly think that Evans would go being awesome for United every single season?

Honestly, the comments here is like we never had young players having a bad patch of form. He's a very very good player like he showed us last season, and he's only 22. The only way from here is up.

kouroux · 1st December 2010, 05:07

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Originally Posted by reelworld

Geez, it's the fucking Carling Cup. The way I see it, less game for us so we could focused on more important achievement. Do you honestly think that Evans would go being awesome for United every single season?

Honestly, the comments here is like we never had young players having a bad patch of form. He's a very very good player like he showed us last season, and he's only 22. The only way from here is up.

Not necessarily as he keeps showing us

Kelvin · 1st December 2010, 05:11

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Originally Posted by reelworld

Geez, it's the fucking Carling Cup. The way I see it, less game for us so we could focused on more important achievement. Do you honestly think that Evans would go being awesome for United every single season?

Honestly, the comments here is like we never had young players having a bad patch of form. He's a very very good player like he showed us last season, and he's only 22. The only way from here is up.

he wasn't even that good last season either, some people here are over-rating him. He was outmuscled by Samba on the weekend, Cole an out of form striker p1ssed all over him today, cleary shot in confidence but he hasn't got the physical edge to compete with the more powerful strikers.

he needs to get his **** together or he will find himself being shown the door.

Ole's_toe_poke · 1st December 2010, 05:13

He's gone backwards since the Chelsea game last season.

kouroux · 1st December 2010, 05:27

I love it when I hear "it's just the CC".For all the players and specially the younger ones it was an important match.Some of them need minutes to show their value and when they have a terrible performance it will affect them one way or the other.
So no it's not just a meaningless match

puNANI · 1st December 2010, 05:31

He will be fine. How many times have we doubted young players in the past and eaten our words in the future? The harsh criticism is undeserved because he has already proven himself as a very good defender in the two years before this season. It's just a form slump, which every single player has in their career including world class ones like Wayne Rooney. It's ok to question his form because he is out of it, but calling him shit is just a knee-jerk.

reelworld · 1st December 2010, 05:34

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Originally Posted by kouroux

Not necessarily as he keeps showing us

He wasn't first choice. His games has been sparsely this season apart from the time Rio was out at the start of the season. He played about 7 games and probably shit in half of them. Shocking horror! 3-4 shit games from a third choice 22 years old centerback

kouroux · 1st December 2010, 05:36

Wasn't that defender supposed to be "the best young CB in the world" ?
Last season he wasn't that good either.I can understand having bad games but the mistakes he makes are worrying.We're talking about the fundamentals of defending.
Hopefully he'll cut them out

RedThaiDevils#7 · 1st December 2010, 05:41

Well, I mean at Rangers he did okay but they only played K.Miller as their lone striker so he didn't have much to do.

But honestly, that was one of the worst performances that I have ever seen him play, was raped by C.Cole, got turned easily and never marked his man properly.

Where was that elegent CB which read the game so well and nullified Drogba or that CB which played so well with the absence of Rio ?

But hey, the pitch + snow made the game so hard also and a top form Obinna + Boa Morte raped our fullbacks easily too which didn't help his job...

Apart from Smalling which was also off form, I thought our defense was total shite and we deserved to be raped no matter what people say.

reelworld · 1st December 2010, 05:42

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Originally Posted by Kelvin

he wasn't even that good last season either, some people here are over-rating him. He was outmuscled by Samba on the weekend, Cole an out of form striker p1ssed all over him today, cleary shot in confidence but he hasn't got the physical edge to compete with the more powerful strikers.

he needs to get his **** together or he will find himself being shown the door.

Eh? He was part of a record clean sheet defence, so I'd say he was pretty good for a young player. He clearly can overcome powerful strikers as he had managed against one of them in Drogba. Sure some people were overrating him then, but some people are also underrating him now. As we learn from Berbatov situation, raised confidence would do a player a hell lot of good.

talking robot · 1st December 2010, 05:54

As you move backwards from striker towards goal keeper, experience becomes more and more important. At 22, I don't think Evans is experienced enough to be putting in regular top class performances. e has shown his class in the past and will hopefully come through this poor spell.

However, he does need to show some mental strength to re-examine his motivation, positioning and physique so that he can improve in the areas required. If he is not able to do this, then he will be shipped on. But he will be given the chance to improve. Whether or not he takes that chance is up to him.

SharkyMcShark · 1st December 2010, 06:47

I refuse to accept that 08/09 and most of 09/10 was just an adrenaline rush and he's really not much cop.

He's shown himself to be a good defender. He just needs to get his head sorted - you could see their third goal coming about ten seconds before it went in (and I was shouting at the TV like a mad man "Who the fuck is picking up Cole!" for the whole ten seconds before the goal)

Fergies Formula · 1st December 2010, 07:19

I've never rated him, the only times he has looked reasonable is when he was surrounded by our best players over a year ago when we peaked. The hype over him was ridiculous and unfounded.

Also his passing game is comical, as are his feeble one legs stamps to swipe the ball.

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30th November 2010, 22:24	#125 (permalink)
honcho Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 988	remember when n.ireland played spain in the qualifiers about 18/24 months ago,he never give torres a kick in both games.Looked a real prospect then.

30th November 2010, 22:28	#127 (permalink)
MalteseRedDevil Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In Goal Posts: 1,596	its amazing how his form has gone completely out the window this year. This is the same guy who nullified drogba more than once in the past. Surely the club must support him until he regains his true form. The prob is that its hard to c how this is gonna happen. his confidence is shot and im not sure how hes gonna get it back. After this performance he may not even play agianst valencia and then god knows when he will play after that. Only injuries to the main duo could open the door but sureley brown and maybe smalling have moved ahead of him know.

30th November 2010, 22:35	#129 (permalink)
honcho Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 988	I wonder if the signing of smalling has pissed him off.

30th November 2010, 23:42	#137 (permalink)
Orton Ati-virus, keeps missing the n button Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: bonnie wee Scotland Posts: 12,358	He is fucking crap. Cant deal with tall strikers, cant deal with pacy strikers, cant deal with off the ball movement, cant run with the ball, cant pass. Overrated on here by way to many people. Had he played for anyone but us we'd be pissing ourselves.

30th November 2010, 23:50	#139 (permalink)
johnmufc More space between ears than Scholesy Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,188	He's 22. Young and learning. He's already proven his quality against the likes of Zlatan and Drogba. With that said, this slump is extremely worrying, as some of the errors he's making are very basic. I still think he'll go on to be a class defender, but it's also fair to raise some questions. He needs to get over this slump quickly. Lacks confidence in his own ability at the moment.

1st December 2010, 02:42	#141 (permalink)
Cold_Boy Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London Posts: 20,139	I think the thing with Evans is that he needs to be out of the first team for some while. He ll turn out a sqaud player for us for sure.Maybe a first teamer if he improves significantly.

1st December 2010, 02:53	#142 (permalink)
Red Dreams First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: 20 I 13 Posts: 28,210	dont think he will be on the bench even for quite some time. back to the reserves lad. why oh why could not Brown have played instead.

1st December 2010, 04:03	#143 (permalink)
sdb4884 Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 3,262	I can't see Evans getting any better

1st December 2010, 04:11	#144 (permalink)
Kelvin Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 21,347	Evans is fecking rubbish.

1st December 2010, 04:28	#145 (permalink)
Sky1981 First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Liverpool Football Club : One of the greatest football club... in the PAST. Posts: 9,173	Which is the knee jerk, evans being world class or evans being shit flop? Last season he was hailed as the next Rio, and now he was hailed as 5th in the pecking order. Surely one of the above is a knee jerk, should we poll on that?

1st December 2010, 04:36	#146 (permalink)
kouroux No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Djibouti (La terre des braves) Posts: 32,539	He was shit, one of the worst defensive performances from a United player I've seen in a while.I just don't understand how his marking can be so loose when Cole isn't even the most mobile striker. Joke of defending last night.I used to laugh when people were labelling him the best young defender and now that he's been shit for a while I tried to give the benefit of doubt

1st December 2010, 05:05	#148 (permalink)
reelworld Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: "I was never a great player" - Roy Keane, after being reminded that great players rarely make great managers. Posts: 6,206	Geez, it's the fucking Carling Cup. The way I see it, less game for us so we could focused on more important achievement. Do you honestly think that Evans would go being awesome for United every single season? Honestly, the comments here is like we never had young players having a bad patch of form. He's a very very good player like he showed us last season, and he's only 22. The only way from here is up.

1st December 2010, 05:13	#151 (permalink)
Ole's_toe_poke First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 22,948	He's gone backwards since the Chelsea game last season.

1st December 2010, 05:27	#152 (permalink)
kouroux No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Djibouti (La terre des braves) Posts: 32,539	I love it when I hear "it's just the CC".For all the players and specially the younger ones it was an important match.Some of them need minutes to show their value and when they have a terrible performance it will affect them one way or the other. So no it's not just a meaningless match

1st December 2010, 05:31	#153 (permalink)
puNANI Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Down Under, pun intended. Posts: 2,377	He will be fine. How many times have we doubted young players in the past and eaten our words in the future? The harsh criticism is undeserved because he has already proven himself as a very good defender in the two years before this season. It's just a form slump, which every single player has in their career including world class ones like Wayne Rooney. It's ok to question his form because he is out of it, but calling him shit is just a knee-jerk.

1st December 2010, 05:36	#155 (permalink)
kouroux No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Djibouti (La terre des braves) Posts: 32,539	Wasn't that defender supposed to be "the best young CB in the world" ? Last season he wasn't that good either.I can understand having bad games but the mistakes he makes are worrying.We're talking about the fundamentals of defending. Hopefully he'll cut them out

1st December 2010, 05:41	#156 (permalink)
RedThaiDevils#7 First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Married with Manchester United, In love with Giggs, Is passionate about Scholes, and is rooting for Kagawa' Posts: 5,818	Well, I mean at Rangers he did okay but they only played K.Miller as their lone striker so he didn't have much to do. But honestly, that was one of the worst performances that I have ever seen him play, was raped by C.Cole, got turned easily and never marked his man properly. Where was that elegent CB which read the game so well and nullified Drogba or that CB which played so well with the absence of Rio ? But hey, the pitch + snow made the game so hard also and a top form Obinna + Boa Morte raped our fullbacks easily too which didn't help his job... Apart from Smalling which was also off form, I thought our defense was total shite and we deserved to be raped no matter what people say.

1st December 2010, 05:54	#158 (permalink)
talking robot Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: on your nerves Posts: 1,292	As you move backwards from striker towards goal keeper, experience becomes more and more important. At 22, I don't think Evans is experienced enough to be putting in regular top class performances. e has shown his class in the past and will hopefully come through this poor spell. However, he does need to show some mental strength to re-examine his motivation, positioning and physique so that he can improve in the areas required. If he is not able to do this, then he will be shipped on. But he will be given the chance to improve. Whether or not he takes that chance is up to him.

1st December 2010, 06:47	#159 (permalink)
SharkyMcShark Horrified Join Date: May 2007 Location: Using location as a tagline: because I'm just not cool enough to have my own. Posts: 19,944	I refuse to accept that 08/09 and most of 09/10 was just an adrenaline rush and he's really not much cop. He's shown himself to be a good defender. He just needs to get his head sorted - you could see their third goal coming about ten seconds before it went in (and I was shouting at the TV like a mad man "Who the fuck is picking up Cole!" for the whole ten seconds before the goal)

1st December 2010, 07:19	#160 (permalink)
Fergies Formula Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Brighton Posts: 3,462	I've never rated him, the only times he has looked reasonable is when he was surrounded by our best players over a year ago when we peaked. The hype over him was ridiculous and unfounded. Also his passing game is comical, as are his feeble one legs stamps to swipe the ball.