Jonny Evans

Sir Matt · 16th April 2012, 02:33

He was below par the past few seasons, but he's had a hell of a year. He's got his confidence and knows he has competition for his spot, yet has held it down solidly.

Smalling, despite being fantastic, can't get a game either. That's a testament to Rio's fitness this season, as well.

fatboy · 16th April 2012, 03:44

Evans, Smalling and Jones. We could be sorted out in central defence for almost the next 10 years. Glad we stuck with him, better than Pique.

Wittmann45 · 16th April 2012, 03:50

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Originally Posted by fatboy

Evans, Smalling and Jones. We could be sorted out in central defence for almost the next 10 years. Glad we stuck with him, better than Pique.

Smalling and Evans is the future, IMO. Jones has a different role to play

fatboy · 16th April 2012, 08:17

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Originally Posted by Wittmann45

Smalling and Evans is the future, IMO. Jones has a different role to play

That's what I thought too. But after seeing Jones play in various positions, I'm not so sure. Maybe that natural energy is best used for surging runs from defence, as we've seen Rio and Smalling do from time to time. It takes the opposing players by surprise, thus making the runs more effective. I'm not sure it will look as good if he tries it from midfield. As for the right back position, Rafael is making a very strong case for himself.

I might be wrong of course, it'll be interesting to see how he develops in the next 1-2 seasons.

Sunny Jim · 16th April 2012, 08:24

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Originally Posted by Dobba

Biggest compliment you can give him is that we're not missing Vidic.

yep

misterredmist · 16th April 2012, 08:46

Johnny Evans is purring like a Rolls-Royce at the moment , really filling the Vidic void that I thought we could not have plugged

Neutral · 16th April 2012, 09:52

There was a moment late in the 2nd half where he played a great give and go, and strode through the middle of the pitch and I thought it was Carrick/Cleverley for a minute.

Superb, just hope he can maintain this standard over the next month - though he continued his record of giving away a needless foul around the middle of the pitch for pushing a forward in the back

scholesy legend · 16th April 2012, 10:03

It's a great wonder what a sustained run of games can get you to.

He has always have the potential ever since I first noticed him a few years back. He just lost some confidence in the last year or so. I was one of those calling for his head after the City game to be honest. I am so glad he proved many of us here, including me, wrong. Fair play to him.

marjen · 16th April 2012, 10:12

A couple of times, his passing was outrageously good yesterday. Almost arrogant the way he played us out of defence.

His confidence gives him much more of a physical edge. I thought he was a bit below par vs Wigan(as the rest of the team), but he was back to his imperious best against a slightly useless Villa.

Best CB in the league this calendar year? Not many better at least..

mufcwarm92 · 16th April 2012, 10:16

Yesterday he just seemed so confident, comfortable on the ball, strong in the air and able to pick a clever pass. Such a contrast to last season at times, where he looked a little out of his depth. I'm delighted for him because with the talent he has it would be a crying shame if he didn't develop into a top, top centre half. Fair play to him for turning it back around, he deserves all the praise he's getting.

marjen · 16th April 2012, 10:23

Cheeky assist for Nani's goal as well. So coolly done.

scholesy legend · 16th April 2012, 10:26

He has been close to scoring on several occassions as well. Would love to see him score more goals. One of Vidic and Rio will have a hard time sustaining their the first team CB status.

Widnes · 16th April 2012, 15:30

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Originally Posted by Sir Matt

He was below par the past few seasons, but he's had a hell of a year. He's got his confidence and knows he has competition for his spot, yet has held it down solidly.

Smalling, despite being fantastic, can't get a game either. That's a testament to Rio's fitness this season, as well.

You mean last season? he had only played a few seasons for us before this one and his first 2 was very good.

All 3 United · 16th April 2012, 21:27

He has massively improved this season and looks class when teams aren't pressing us high up the pitch. When players run at him he still looks vulnerable as Moses showed during the Wigan game.

apotheosis · 16th April 2012, 21:42

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Originally Posted by marjen

Cheeky assist for Nani's goal as well. So coolly done.

Great awareness and for that first time pass, i am becoming sorrier by the day he is not English!

Longsden_7 · 16th April 2012, 21:51

I am having a raging argument about how well he has come on the past two seasons, one person compared him to Andre Santos. Jonny is one of our own, will never be fully appreciated outside of OT.

apotheosis · 16th April 2012, 21:53

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Originally Posted by All 3 United

He has massively improved this season and looks class when teams aren't pressing us high up the pitch. When players run at him he still looks vulnerable as Moses showed during the Wigan game.

Who actually looks comfortable though when strong, pacy players like that run at them? There are not many, Victor Moses has looked a handful for any defender whenever i have seen him.

If he could lift his head up occasionally and start making the most of the positions he gets in, he could become a really good player in my view. Bit selfish and wasteful atm, but only 21 and time to learn.

Evans has been outstanding all season against better strikers than moses, occasionally he will look shaky if the team are not playing well and exposing him, but it won't be often and his alleged lack of pace has not been an issue at all this season that i can recall. He is either quicker than we thought or has excellent positional instincts, or maybe a bit of both, either way he has been consistently very impressive this year!

Liam147 · 16th April 2012, 22:01

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Originally Posted by apotheosis

Who actually looks comfortable though when strong, pacy players like that run at them? There are not many, Victor Moses has looked a handful for any defender whenever i have seen him.

If he could lift his head up occasionally and start making the most of the positions he gets in, he could become a really good player in my view. Bit selfish and wasteful atm, but only 21 and time to learn.

He's 24.

He has had a good season as we'll all agree, but that's partly due to the run of games he's had with Ferdinand. You build up a partnership. It's no coincidence that our best defensive run has come with a steady back four, rather than the six and seven defenders we were using every two games pre January.

Which then begs the question, when Vidic is back in, will his development stall? Will he go backwards? I've noticed his ball skills have improved a lot when playing with Ferdinand, so perhaps he could take over from him next season? Obviously not every game, but those games which Rio needs resting in (which will become more frequent) Evans could perhaps fill the void.

apotheosis · 16th April 2012, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Longsden_7

I am having a raging argument about how well he has come on the past two seasons, one person compared him to Andre Santos. Jonny is one of our own, will never be fully appreciated outside of OT.

Tbf though, most rival fans will look for negatives rather than positives regarding our young players. Let's face it there were many on here who wrote him off too early, i admit i was far from convinced myself this time last year!

If he carries on like he has been no-one will be able to question him. His performances and consistency must rival anybody's this year. Maybe only Kompany could claim to have been at such a consistently high level for longer. If i were picking a team of the year Evans and Kompany would be the most impressive 2 CB's for me this season!

apotheosis · 16th April 2012, 22:11

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Originally Posted by Liam147

He's 24.

That bit was still about Moses Liam, should have clarified that better reading back. I know Evans is 24!

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Which then begs the question, when Vidic is back in, will his development stall? Will he go backwards? I've noticed his ball skills have improved a lot when playing with Ferdinand, so perhaps he could take over from him next season? Obviously not every game, but those games which Rio needs resting in (which will become more frequent) Evans could perhaps fill the void.

If Evans carries on improving, then he will be in and it will be the rest fighting for a spot next to him.

Walrus · 16th April 2012, 22:16

I think Evans and vidic will be first choice. Ferdinand is a great player, but age and fitness mean for me he shouldnt be guaranteed first choice anymore - a luxury player if ever there was one.

Cheesy · 16th April 2012, 22:19

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Originally Posted by Walrus

I think Evans and vidic will be first choice. Ferdinand is a great player, but age and fitness mean for me he shouldnt be guaranteed first choice anymore - a luxury player if ever there was one.

He's more than a luxury player. I know he's getting older and has had his fitness worries, but he's been fine lately and when Vidic and him are available, they should be first choice for us without any shadow of a doubt.

Walrus · 16th April 2012, 22:25

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Originally Posted by cheesy

He's more than a luxury player. I know he's getting older and has had his fitness worries, but he's been fine lately and when Vidic and him are available, they should be first choice for us without any shadow of a doubt.

Luxury player isn't an insult - almost the opposite in fact. I just think with 3 quality CBs coming through plus Vidic, Rio is the one who needs to make way to not hinder their development.

Liam147 · 16th April 2012, 22:28

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Originally Posted by apotheosis

That bit was still about Moses Liam, should have clarified that better reading back. I know Evans is 24!

If Evans carries on improving, then he will be in and it will be the rest fighting for a spot next to him.

Oh yeah, I should've read your post better. I don't think it's an absurd suggestion to think he could be partnering Vidic next season, with Rio coming into the team now and again. We play enough games a season for him to have 20 games and Evans still getting 40. It's all about him carrying his form into next season.

Cheesy · 16th April 2012, 22:28

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Originally Posted by Walrus

Luxury player isn't an insult - almost the opposite in fact. I just think with 3 quality CBs coming through plus Vidic, Rio is the one who needs to make way to not hinder their development.

I completely disagree. With Rio and Vidic, we've got a partnership that we know will be successful. For me, it would be suicidal for Fergie to simply break up their quality partnership in what could be it's last couple of years.

Evans would still get plenty of playing time anyway. Rio and Vidic wouldn't play every league game together, and we'd surely rotate in the Premier League and other competitions as well.

Stobzilla · 16th April 2012, 22:36

Evans should play all games for which he is fit he has been amazing this season.

Cheesy · 16th April 2012, 22:37

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Originally Posted by Stobzilla

Evans should play all games for which he is fit he has been amazing this season.

Yes, but Ferdinand has been equally as good and we know how well he plays with Vidic, who should be the first name on the teamsheet when he's back fit.

Still ill · 16th April 2012, 22:57

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Originally Posted by cheesy

Yes, but Ferdinand has been equally as good and we know how well he plays with Vidic, who should be the first name on the teamsheet when he's back fit.

Three or four months ago, you wouldn't have had too much argument from the Caf but it's a different world now. Rio has made a superb recovery after a ropey early season but Jonny is a different player than he's been at any stage in his career. More physicality, great on the ball, oozing confidence. Bar Kompany maybe, I wouldn't swap him for another centre half in the division. Alex will have a decision to make.

Cheesy · 16th April 2012, 22:59

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Originally Posted by Still ill

Three or four months ago, you wouldn't have had too much argument from the Caf but it's a different world now. Rio has made a superb recovery after a ropey early season but Jonny is a different player than he's been at any stage in his career. More physicality, great on the ball, oozing confidence. Bar Kompany maybe, I wouldn't swap him for another centre half in the division. Alex will have a decision to make.

He's undoubtedly improved, but I really don't see what he's done that's been any better than Rio if I'm being honest. Both have been on par with each other.

roseguy64 · 17th April 2012, 01:42

Quite simple really. Just play who's in form. If that means Vidic is on the bench then so be it. If Evans and Rio continue playing as well as they have done next season then it's not too much of a stretch to believe. But then Rio's injury problems might oust him.

surf · 17th April 2012, 02:01

Yeah, a lot can change from one season to the next, even as a result of what happens in the pre-season training and games. Would have liked to see more of Smalling this time around. Shame about his injuries/illnesses. Hopefully he'll get a look in next season.

Evans has been great but he'll need to hit the ground running next season to keep ahead of the other 3.

apotheosis · 17th April 2012, 11:07

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Originally Posted by Walrus

I think Evans and vidic will be first choice. Ferdinand is a great player, but age and fitness mean for me he shouldnt be guaranteed first choice anymore - a luxury player if ever there was one.

A luxury player? Rio? Nah, proved himself again in the last 8 games despite many thinking he was finished. If you are looking for luxury players in our squad you need look no further than Giggs imo.

unitedbhoy · 17th April 2012, 13:15

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Originally Posted by Walrus

I think Evans and vidic will be first choice. Ferdinand is a great player, but age and fitness mean for me he shouldnt be guaranteed first choice anymore - a luxury player if ever there was one.

Nah, sorry, that's not right. Rio is still absolutely class. If we had a fully fit squad (never going to happen), and the CL final tomorrow, it would be Ferdinand and Vidic at centre back.

KM · 17th April 2012, 13:18

Evans has been our best defender this season and if there is CL final tommorow, then Evans should play on merit.

Cheesy · 17th April 2012, 23:13

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Originally Posted by KM

Evans has been our best defender this season and if there is CL final tommorow, then Evans should play on merit.

You see, this is what I don't get. Yes, he's been brilliant this season, but he hasn't really been any better than Rio. The only reason people are praising him more is because this has been the best form of his career and he has really stepped up his game.

Ash_G · 17th April 2012, 23:30

I dunno I would say defensively he and rio have been equally good but the attacking play Evans has added to his game has been quality. Very good use of possession, smart runs and really he's been unlucky not to get a few more goals. Shame he doesn't have a agger/carvalho shot on him

Edmeiste · 17th April 2012, 23:35

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Originally Posted by Ash_G

I dunno I would say defensively he and rio have been equally good but the attacking play Evans has added to his game has been quality. Very good use of possession, smart runs and really he's been unlucky not to get a few more goals. Shame he doesn't have a agger/carvalho shot on him

yo ash guess who's back?

Ash_G · 17th April 2012, 23:38

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Originally Posted by Edmeiste

yo ash guess who's back?

Lol, good to be back?

Edmeiste · 17th April 2012, 23:43

Indeed but I'm going back to work. I'll be on later (around noon your time)

gooDevil · 18th April 2012, 03:41

Pretty ridiculous that he's not up for young player of the year, he was 23 when the season started so he's eligible, no?

I don't watch much of City, but I've heard about a lot of bad save attempts by Hart this season.

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16th April 2012, 02:33	#2281 (permalink)
Sir Matt First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LUHG Posts: 11,381	He was below par the past few seasons, but he's had a hell of a year. He's got his confidence and knows he has competition for his spot, yet has held it down solidly. Smalling, despite being fantastic, can't get a game either. That's a testament to Rio's fitness this season, as well.

16th April 2012, 03:44	#2282 (permalink)
fatboy Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,203	Evans, Smalling and Jones. We could be sorted out in central defence for almost the next 10 years. Glad we stuck with him, better than Pique.

16th April 2012, 08:46	#2286 (permalink)
misterredmist Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Baguley Posts: 1,934	Johnny Evans is purring like a Rolls-Royce at the moment , really filling the Vidic void that I thought we could not have plugged

16th April 2012, 09:52	#2287 (permalink)
Neutral BTV Join Date: May 2010 Location: DC/Canberra/Dhaka Posts: 7,319	There was a moment late in the 2nd half where he played a great give and go, and strode through the middle of the pitch and I thought it was Carrick/Cleverley for a minute. Superb, just hope he can maintain this standard over the next month - though he continued his record of giving away a needless foul around the middle of the pitch for pushing a forward in the back

16th April 2012, 10:03	#2288 (permalink)
scholesy legend Incorrigible pest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Outside the Box Posts: 5,598	It's a great wonder what a sustained run of games can get you to. He has always have the potential ever since I first noticed him a few years back. He just lost some confidence in the last year or so. I was one of those calling for his head after the City game to be honest. I am so glad he proved many of us here, including me, wrong. Fair play to him.

16th April 2012, 10:12	#2289 (permalink)
marjen First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: at the back post, lurking around, waiting for an easy tap-in. Posts: 5,405	A couple of times, his passing was outrageously good yesterday. Almost arrogant the way he played us out of defence. His confidence gives him much more of a physical edge. I thought he was a bit below par vs Wigan(as the rest of the team), but he was back to his imperious best against a slightly useless Villa. Best CB in the league this calendar year? Not many better at least..

16th April 2012, 10:16	#2290 (permalink)
mufcwarm92 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: W3103 Posts: 3,324	Yesterday he just seemed so confident, comfortable on the ball, strong in the air and able to pick a clever pass. Such a contrast to last season at times, where he looked a little out of his depth. I'm delighted for him because with the talent he has it would be a crying shame if he didn't develop into a top, top centre half. Fair play to him for turning it back around, he deserves all the praise he's getting.

16th April 2012, 10:23	#2291 (permalink)
marjen First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: at the back post, lurking around, waiting for an easy tap-in. Posts: 5,405	Cheeky assist for Nani's goal as well. So coolly done.

16th April 2012, 10:26	#2292 (permalink)
scholesy legend Incorrigible pest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Outside the Box Posts: 5,598	He has been close to scoring on several occassions as well. Would love to see him score more goals. One of Vidic and Rio will have a hard time sustaining their the first team CB status.

16th April 2012, 21:27	#2294 (permalink)
All 3 United His tinfoil hat protects him from the Glazers. Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 3,060	He has massively improved this season and looks class when teams aren't pressing us high up the pitch. When players run at him he still looks vulnerable as Moses showed during the Wigan game.

16th April 2012, 21:51	#2296 (permalink)
Longsden_7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salford Posts: 2,378	I am having a raging argument about how well he has come on the past two seasons, one person compared him to Andre Santos. Jonny is one of our own, will never be fully appreciated outside of OT.

16th April 2012, 22:16	#2301 (permalink)
Walrus Oppressed White Male Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,580	I think Evans and vidic will be first choice. Ferdinand is a great player, but age and fitness mean for me he shouldnt be guaranteed first choice anymore - a luxury player if ever there was one.

16th April 2012, 22:36	#2306 (permalink)
Stobzilla Official Team Perv Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: sir alex macheda fergsuson the bumble king. i respect david moyer but he is fragile like china Posts: 8,502	Evans should play all games for which he is fit he has been amazing this season.

17th April 2012, 01:42	#2310 (permalink)
roseguy64 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Jamaica Posts: 1,803	Quite simple really. Just play who's in form. If that means Vidic is on the bench then so be it. If Evans and Rio continue playing as well as they have done next season then it's not too much of a stretch to believe. But then Rio's injury problems might oust him.

17th April 2012, 02:01	#2311 (permalink)
surf Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: In the wilderness Posts: 4,259	Yeah, a lot can change from one season to the next, even as a result of what happens in the pre-season training and games. Would have liked to see more of Smalling this time around. Shame about his injuries/illnesses. Hopefully he'll get a look in next season. Evans has been great but he'll need to hit the ground running next season to keep ahead of the other 3.

17th April 2012, 13:18	#2314 (permalink)
KM Coach Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 24,180	Evans has been our best defender this season and if there is CL final tommorow, then Evans should play on merit.

17th April 2012, 23:30	#2316 (permalink)
Ash_G Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 4,636	I dunno I would say defensively he and rio have been equally good but the attacking play Evans has added to his game has been quality. Very good use of possession, smart runs and really he's been unlucky not to get a few more goals. Shame he doesn't have a agger/carvalho shot on him

17th April 2012, 23:43	#2319 (permalink)
Edmeiste Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: In a land far far away....playing Fifa Posts: 7,105	Indeed but I'm going back to work. I'll be on later (around noon your time)

18th April 2012, 03:41	#2320 (permalink)
gooDevil Worst scout ever Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Kids are the Future Posts: 17,006	Pretty ridiculous that he's not up for young player of the year, he was 23 when the season started so he's eligible, no? I don't watch much of City, but I've heard about a lot of bad save attempts by Hart this season.