Manucho watch

Raven_Blade · 4th July 2008, 00:02

Thats bad news. He has waited long enough for a chance here.

smallred · 4th July 2008, 00:08

has this injury been confirmed?as regards Saha, Manucho's general play actually reminds me of Saha in so many ways. wicked left foot, quick, strong and good in the air. wonder will we ever see the 2 of them in a united shirt together

Chris H · 4th July 2008, 01:01

Mail posted the story 3 hours ago. No one is running it at the moment.

I wonder if we'll ever see either of them in a United shirt again. I'm really pulling for Manucho, but I think his injury problems, which caused him to miss the last three National Team games, will mean he has to out on loan. And of course a fit Saha would be a great addition to the squad, but..."fit" and "Saha" unfortunately haven't gone together much over the last few seasons. Many of us are really hoping Louis can stay healthy, but it appears that he is more than just a little bit injury-prone. Stating the obvious there, sorry.

Kelvin · 4th July 2008, 07:24

I hope its not the case we don't need another Saha.

ByronSteve · 4th July 2008, 07:55

I think we need to worry more about the chances of a work permit, rather than the injury. He fractured the metatarsal here playing for Panathanaikos at the end of May. We all know by now that these type of injuries take approx 6-10 weeks to heal completely, so unless the bones have not knitted together properly or he has cracked it again, he will be near full fitness by the time the Premiership starts.
I think and hope that it is just a newspaper trying to make a Man Utd story to sell a few more copies.

ThatOldRedMagic · 4th July 2008, 12:01

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Originally Posted by ByronSteve

I think we need to worry more about the chances of a work permit, rather than the injury. He fractured the metatarsal here playing for Panathanaikos at the end of May. We all know by now that these type of injuries take approx 6-10 weeks to heal completely, so unless the bones have not knitted together properly or he has cracked it again, he will be near full fitness by the time the Premiership starts.
I think and hope that it is just a newspaper trying to make a Man Utd story to sell a few more copies.

Forgive my ignorance, but why is a work permit a problem? I thought the offer of a job as a premiership footballer automatically triggered a permit, otherwise how do all the other foreign nationals get jobs in the EPL?

Striker10 · 4th July 2008, 12:40

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Originally Posted by ThatOldRedMagic

Forgive my ignorance, but why is a work permit a problem? I thought the offer of a job as a premiership footballer automatically triggered a permit, otherwise how do all the other foreign nationals get jobs in the EPL?

It's complicated, but the offer of a job only triggers the need for a permit. You have to meet certain criteria and at the minute Manucho is a bit short. I suppose the club could try and say he would have got the required criteria but he suffered an injury.

ThatOldRedMagic · 4th July 2008, 12:42

Interesting. What are the criteria?

Striker10 · 4th July 2008, 12:59

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Originally Posted by ThatOldRedMagic

Interesting. What are the criteria?

it's not something that i've ever researched so i'm sure i'll miss somethings out. You have to play a certain percentage of games for your national team over xxx years.

That's why when we got anderson, though he wasn't an international, used the exceptional talent rule (I think it's for young people not of 25 like manucho) to get his work permit

Sometimes people that would normally require a work permit don't end up needing one because they have duel nationality etc

It's quite complex. I think it doesn't help too Angola being so lowly ranked in world football but I couldn't go into specifics

But basically it's to prove he's capable and not taking the job from someone else. Bear in mind we have signed the player, but because he didn't have a work permit we had to loan him out.

Manucho will be available for us during the friendles if he's fit, but won't be able to play for us in proper competition until he get's his work permit

Chris H · 4th July 2008, 20:07

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Originally Posted by Striker10

it's not something that i've ever researched so i'm sure i'll miss somethings out. You have to play a certain percentage of games for your national team over xxx years.

I think it doesn't help too Angola being so lowly ranked in world football but I couldn't go into specifics.

75% over the last two years. Team must be ranked within the top 60 in the FIFA rankings, which they had been for the last several months after a strong showing at the Africa Cup of Nations. Unfortunately they have had a few poor games lately with Manucho out, and they have dropped to 61st, with no more competitive matches until September.

If Manucho had been healthy, he would have played in their last 4-5 games, which might have put him over the 75% mark (none of us are sure, hard to get details about old Angola matches). I think they also would have improved their results, which would have kept them in the top 60. But he wasn't, so they didn't. Crap.

Kelvin · 7th July 2008, 15:59

what the latest on his injury?

REd FUn DevIl · 8th July 2008, 18:33

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Originally Posted by Striker10

it's not something that i've ever researched so i'm sure i'll miss somethings out. You have to play a certain percentage of games for your national team over xxx years.

That's why when we got anderson, though he wasn't an international, used the exceptional talent rule (I think it's for young people not of 25 like manucho) to get his work permit

Sometimes people that would normally require a work permit don't end up needing one because they have duel nationality etc

It's quite complex. I think it doesn't help too Angola being so lowly ranked in world football but I couldn't go into specifics

But basically it's to prove he's capable and not taking the job from someone else. Bear in mind we have signed the player, but because he didn't have a work permit we had to loan him out.

Manucho will be available for us during the friendles if he's fit, but won't be able to play for us in proper competition until he get's his work permit

If it's so hard for him to get a permit and was signed by Utd then it makes me wonder how the feck a player like Lua Lua that played for Congo or Benjani MwaruWari from Zimbawe got their permits when nobody have ever seen those national teams play ffs.

ralphie88 · 8th July 2008, 19:17

First of all, if you are an E.U. or E.E.A. citizen then you don't need a work permit. If you are not, then you will need to satisfy the criteria for the country in which you wish to play. The UK has very strict criteria, but other countries like Belgium have very lax criteria. In addition, if you have played in certain EU countries for enough time you become a citizen, and therefore get your EU passport. Other non-EU players have joint-nationalist (eg Mexico and Spain, Brazil and Portugal), again providing complete freedom of movement in the EU.

If you don't have an EU passport, in the UK you need to have played 75% of games for your national team and that team needs to be in the FIFA Top 70 (these are DoE regulations, not FA rules).

If your national team isn't in FIFA's Top 70 and/or you have not played the requisite amount of games then you can appeal to an independent panel - for example if you've had an injury, if you're a special footballing case (e.g. George Weah) or for cultural reasons (e.g. Buhu at Bury).

The criteria are actually much easier to meet since they were changed back in 2001.

ralphie88 · 8th July 2008, 19:18

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Originally Posted by smallred

has this injury been confirmed?as regards Saha, Manucho's general play actually reminds me of Saha in so many ways.

This is genius.

Striker10 · 8th July 2008, 19:19

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Originally Posted by ralphie88

First of all, if you are an E.U. or E.E.A. citizen then you don't need a work permit. If you are not, then you will need to satisfy the criteria for the country in which you wish to play. The UK has very strict criteria, but other countries like Belgium have very lax criteria. In addition, if you have played in certain EU countries for enough time you become a citizen, and therefore get your EU passport. Other non-EU players have joint-nationalist (eg Mexico and Spain, Brazil and Portugal), again providing complete freedom of movement in the EU.

If you don't have an EU passport, in the UK you need to have played 75% of games for your national team and that team needs to be in the FIFA Top 70 (these are DoE regulations, not FA rules).

If your national team isn't in FIFA's Top 70 and/or you have not played the requisite amount of games then you can appeal to an independent panel - for example if you've had an injury, if you're a special footballing case (e.g. George Weah) or for cultural reasons (e.g. Buhu at Bury).

The criteria are actually much easier to meet since they were changed back in 2001.

So he could just appeal on the basis he would have got very close if not the 75% but for injury? Well that's something atleast

BlahRules · 8th July 2008, 20:30

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Originally Posted by REd FUn DevIl

If it's so hard for him to get a permit and was signed by Utd then it makes me wonder how the feck a player like Lua Lua that played for Congo or Benjani MwaruWari from Zimbawe got their permits when nobody have ever seen those national teams play ffs.

Don't know about Benjani but Lua Lua went to the same school as me, so most likely has a British citizenship, or maybe was born British.

Chris H · 8th July 2008, 23:42

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Originally Posted by ralphie88

If you don't have an EU passport, in the UK you need to have played 75% of games for your national team and that team needs to be in the FIFA Top 70 (these are DoE regulations, not FA rules).

Pretty sure it's top 60.

And I seem to remember something from a couple of months ago about a new law requiring that all non-EU players (all incoming workers, actually) pass a test of English language proficiency. I think it goes into affect this fall, or maybe the next.

Ah, found it. Foreign footballers and their WAGs will be forced to sit English language tests

711 · 9th July 2008, 00:05

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Originally Posted by Chris H

I think it goes into affect this fall, or maybe the next.

Or possibly into effect this autumn, even.

Sorry, couldn't resist, call me a twat.

UnofficialDevil · 12th July 2008, 20:58

I would have loved to see him play today against Aberdeen, its a shame.
So how long is he out for 2 months?

Kelvin · 12th July 2008, 21:00

will he get his work permit?

Alex · 12th July 2008, 21:00

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Originally Posted by Chris H

Pretty sure it's top 60.

And I seem to remember something from a couple of months ago about a new law requiring that all non-EU players (all incoming workers, actually) pass a test of English language proficiency. I think it goes into affect this fall, or maybe the next.

Ah, found it. Foreign footballers and their WAGs will be forced to sit English language tests

They think Afonso Alves is Elano

giggs-beckham · 13th July 2008, 01:12

He was in the stands today!

REd FUn DevIl · 13th July 2008, 01:24

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Originally Posted by giggs-beckham

He was in the stands today!

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Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice

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Coca Cola · 13th July 2008, 02:11

He´s obviously using his Jedi Mind Powers to control the game.

Manucho won us the game today.

Name Changed · 13th July 2008, 03:54

He really even looks like Saha

032Devil · 13th July 2008, 07:27

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Originally Posted by Name Changed

He really even looks like Saha

Yeah!

Like Daniel Craig looks like Brad Pitt.

lao · 13th July 2008, 07:31

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Originally Posted by 032Devil

Yeah!

Like Daniel Craig looks like Brad Pitt.

While Dong looks like Jackie Chan.

032Devil · 13th July 2008, 07:36

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Originally Posted by lao

While Dong looks like Jackie Chan.

You've got the idea.

girish · 13th July 2008, 08:03

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Originally Posted by 032Devil

You've got the idea.

We are racists.

032Devil · 13th July 2008, 09:06

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Originally Posted by girish

We are racists.

Not racist.

We subconscious recognise the minute details with the type of people we meet regularly.

8th July 2008, 19:17	#613 (permalink)
ralphie88 Bitterer than a bitter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: http://www.joinmust.org/ Posts: 6,488	Work Permit Rules First of all, if you are an E.U. or E.E.A. citizen then you don't need a work permit. If you are not, then you will need to satisfy the criteria for the country in which you wish to play. The UK has very strict criteria, but other countries like Belgium have very lax criteria. In addition, if you have played in certain EU countries for enough time you become a citizen, and therefore get your EU passport. Other non-EU players have joint-nationalist (eg Mexico and Spain, Brazil and Portugal), again providing complete freedom of movement in the EU. If you don't have an EU passport, in the UK you need to have played 75% of games for your national team and that team needs to be in the FIFA Top 70 (these are DoE regulations, not FA rules). If your national team isn't in FIFA's Top 70 and/or you have not played the requisite amount of games then you can appeal to an independent panel - for example if you've had an injury, if you're a special footballing case (e.g. George Weah) or for cultural reasons (e.g. Buhu at Bury). The criteria are actually much easier to meet since they were changed back in 2001.

4th July 2008, 00:02	#601 (permalink)
Raven_Blade Attention Whoring Common Crow Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Man Utd Will Never Die! Posts: 17,184	Thats bad news. He has waited long enough for a chance here.

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smallred Youth Team Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 270	has this injury been confirmed?as regards Saha, Manucho's general play actually reminds me of Saha in so many ways. wicked left foot, quick, strong and good in the air. wonder will we ever see the 2 of them in a united shirt together

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Chris H Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: AWOL Posts: 2,322	Mail posted the story 3 hours ago. No one is running it at the moment. I wonder if we'll ever see either of them in a United shirt again. I'm really pulling for Manucho, but I think his injury problems, which caused him to miss the last three National Team games, will mean he has to out on loan. And of course a fit Saha would be a great addition to the squad, but..."fit" and "Saha" unfortunately haven't gone together much over the last few seasons. Many of us are really hoping Louis can stay healthy, but it appears that he is more than just a little bit injury-prone. Stating the obvious there, sorry.

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Kelvin First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,630	I hope its not the case we don't need another Saha.

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ByronSteve Youth Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ano Melissia,Athens,Greece Posts: 241	I think we need to worry more about the chances of a work permit, rather than the injury. He fractured the metatarsal here playing for Panathanaikos at the end of May. We all know by now that these type of injuries take approx 6-10 weeks to heal completely, so unless the bones have not knitted together properly or he has cracked it again, he will be near full fitness by the time the Premiership starts. I think and hope that it is just a newspaper trying to make a Man Utd story to sell a few more copies.

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ThatOldRedMagic Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Diss, Norfolk Posts: 2,286	Interesting. What are the criteria?

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Kelvin First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,630	what the latest on his injury?

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UnofficialDevil Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Love United. Posts: 1,806	I would have loved to see him play today against Aberdeen, its a shame. So how long is he out for 2 months?

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Kelvin First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,630	will he get his work permit?

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giggs-beckham Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,114	He was in the stands today!

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Coca Cola One balled wonder Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Evra´s Pussy. Posts: 2,819	He´s obviously using his Jedi Mind Powers to control the game. Manucho won us the game today.

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Name Changed weso26 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dublin Posts: 4,454	He really even looks like Saha