Manucho watch

redender · 11th February 2008, 12:20

Panathinaikos play Rangers away on Wednesday night, Manucho has been enlisted in their UEFA Squad in time.

Does anyone know if he will be inlvolved? He didn't play at weekend... Interesting to see they have signed Helder Postiga too.

Pogue Mahone · 11th February 2008, 12:24

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Originally Posted by redender

Panathinaikos play Rangers away on Wednesday night, Manucho has been enlisted in their UEFA Squad in time.

Does anyone know if he will be inlvolved? He didn't play at weekend... Interesting to see they have signed Helder Postiga too.

Excellent. Be great to see him up against a Champion's League defence. Hard not to wonder whether his goals in the ACN were mainly due to poor defending.

Do you know if he was in their squad in time for last weekend's game? Hopefully it was just a case of needing a few days to get a look at him, before giving him a start.

Sean_RedDevil · 11th February 2008, 12:26

Man Utd's Manucho must wait for UEFA Cup chance

Manchester United striker signing Manucho Goncalves must wait to make his European debut.

The Daily Record says the Angola star, who has joined Panathinaikos on-loan for the rest of the season, will be left behind in Athens for his new club's UEFA Cup clash with Rangers.

Manucho will not be risked for the tie against Walter Smith's men as he has not yet even trained with his new teammates at Panathinaikos.

The 24-year-old signed a three-year deal at Old Trafford from Angolan side Petro Atheltico after impressing on a three-week trial in December but because of work-permit issues in the UK he was immediately sent to the Greek outfit on loan for the rest of the season.

Manucho enhanced his reputation as a rising star in football with a dynamic display of goalscoring in the Africa Cup in Ghana.

He scored the opener in Angola's first game against South Africa last month and struck a further two against Senegal in a 3-1 win.

A goal followed in the 2-1 loss to eventual winners Egypt although his 25-yard effort has been described as the goal of the tournament.

Daily Record

redender · 11th February 2008, 12:29

Oh well, maybe thw return leg eh!? At least we can see what he's working with!

paddyf091 · 11th February 2008, 14:06

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Excellent. Be great to see him up against a Champion's League defence. Hard not to wonder whether his goals in the ACN were mainly due to poor defending.

Do you know if he was in their squad in time for last weekend's game? Hopefully it was just a case of needing a few days to get a look at him, before giving him a start.

For some of his goals that may have been the case, but considering egypt won the tournament and had the best keeper there, his wondergoal against them seems pretty special

Pogue Mahone · 11th February 2008, 14:21

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Originally Posted by paddyf091

For some of his goals that may have been the case, but considering egypt won the tournament and had the best keeper there, his wondergoal against them seems pretty special

It was an awesome goal, alright. And I don't think there's a defence in the world that could have kept it out. Still, it was one of those "could go anywhere" shots, I'd still like to see how he copes against a really tight, disciplined defence.

w'or bobby · 11th February 2008, 14:45

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Excellent. Be great to see him up against a Champion's League defence. Hard not to wonder whether his goals in the ACN were mainly due to poor defending.

The Egypt defence he scored his 25 yard screamer against gave up 4 goals in 5 games and held Drogba and Eto'o off the score-sheet.
They were well disciplined and kept their shape, were brave and strong in the tackle.
I think we may well see good things from the boy.

a_devil_inside · 11th February 2008, 15:38

if we get drawn against Panathinaikos after we beat Lyon can he play against us?

Frosty · 11th February 2008, 15:42

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Originally Posted by a_devil_inside

if we get drawn against Panathinaikos after we beat Lyon can he play against us?

Not unless we enter the UEFA Cup

a_devil_inside · 11th February 2008, 15:45

they get knocked out?

ByronSteve · 11th February 2008, 15:47

Manucho will not be arriving here in Athens until Thursday now as he has not got his visa through yet. He was supposed to fly in today but this has been delayed due to the hold up with the visa.

davisjw · 11th February 2008, 17:40

The real question is how he does with some actual midfielders behind him giving him good distribution and support. The lad pretty much carried his team during the African Cup.

Suddenly Panathinaikos games are starting to look watchable...

Pogue Mahone · 11th February 2008, 17:45

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Originally Posted by davisjw

The real question is how he does with some actual midfielders behind him giving him good distribution and support. The lad pretty much carried his team during the African Cup.

Suddenly Panathinaikos games are starting to look watchable...

That they are. But how?

redender · 11th February 2008, 19:10

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

That they are. But how?

Eurogoals!

Jens' Face · 11th February 2008, 19:34

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

That they are. But how?

are we allowed to talk about streams on this forum?

(If not, why not? Because, in that case, by "streams" I simply mean those bodies of water that are smaller than rivers but larger than puddles. What else would I be talking about?)

Pogue Mahone · 11th February 2008, 19:54

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Originally Posted by Jens' Face

are we allowed to talk about streams on this forum?

(If not, why not? Because, in that case, by "streams" I simply mean those bodies of water that are smaller than rivers but larger than puddles. What else would I be talking about?)

Streams, you say.

I think we can talk about them. Just no links.

And that's a good idea. Does Greek footy get streamed?

davisjw · 11th February 2008, 19:56

Don't think you can mention them but that's for the mods to decide- seeing as you're only saying WHAT you would do to see them rather then HOW you would see them, you should be alright... But in any case, ^ what he said (oops two posts up now)...

Jens' Face · 12th February 2008, 04:15

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Streams, you say.
Does Greek footy get streamed?

It depends, but sometimes yes. I don't know quite how to share my information about nature (streams, forests, meadows, etc.) without getting in trouble with national geographic, but people should feel free to pm me.

Mods, this is always the case: if you feel I've said anything inappropriate, please (a) edit/delete my post; (b) let me know so I won't do it in the future; and (c) start a thread about how good Adebayor got all of a sudden.

redender · 13th February 2008, 18:52

C'mon Panathinaikos twat the sweaties!

gerrydaly · 13th February 2008, 21:14

Bit late, and no Manucho anyway, but the Rangers match turned up on BBC 1 Scotland/Sky Ch. 971.

Goalless after 56 mintues fyi.

redender · 13th February 2008, 21:16

Can also watch it on BBC Sport player (if like me you've been banished for Location, Location, Location!)

Hopefully he'll be involved in the second leg, not been impressed with Pana going forward. Then again they do have their best 2 forwards on the bench.

Pogue Mahone · 14th February 2008, 11:34

Sir Alex To Re-Apply For Manucho Permit

Recent Manchester United acquisition has been farmed out to Panathinaikos due to his being denied a UK work permit, but Sir Alex Ferguson is eager to try again soon.

Angolan striker Manucho will spend the next few months in Greece with Panathinaikos after being refused a British work permit, but Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson holds out hope that the ex-Petro Atletico man will pull on the red shirt sooner rather than later.

He told the Manchester Evening News, "Given that he played for Angola and did so well at the African Nations Cup, we will re-apply for his work permit in the summer and hopefully next year he could play for us."

Under United Kingdom rules, work permits do not have to be granted to players who do not play in 75% or more of their national team's matches over a two-year period.

Only in exceptional circumstances will permits be granted for such players, with Manucho being turned down for his.

However, the player himself remains upbeat, saying, "It is a pleasure hearing all this from someone as experienced as Alex Ferguson. If things turn out favourably, I will do my best to score as many as I can."

Manucho, 24, managed four goals at the Africa Cup of Nations in Ghana.

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=585443

I had mistakenly thought it was a foregone conclusion that he could sign for us in the summer. Which was a bit silly, to be fair, I was completely overlooking the "75% of games over two years" clause needed to get a work permit.

That was the main reason, I think, why Chelsea had Alex on their books for two whole seasons before he got clearance to play in the UK.

Looks like we need Manucho to make a serious impact in Greece and qualify as a "special talent" or we won't see him at United until 2010

Ekeke · 14th February 2008, 11:35

To be fair, it would be stupid not to consider him a special talent already on the back of his performances in the ACN.

Pogue Mahone · 14th February 2008, 11:39

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

To be fair, it would be stupid not to consider him a special talent already on the back of his performances in the ACN.

You'd have to think so, wouldn't you?

But if we're going down that route why not apply straight away?

How are a few months at Panathanaikos gonna strengthen our case? In fact, if he doesn't settle there and doesn't get his game, isn't that gonna make our case even more difficult?

This whole work permit thing is a bit of a mystery to me, tbh.

Ekeke · 14th February 2008, 11:47

Yeah, I suppose it would make it a lot harder if he didnt make an impact in Greece...

And I don't know about these things either, but honestly he took his chances better than any other striker in the competition - Eto'o and Drogba included. And considering they were part of far stronger teams its no surprise he went out of the tournament a round earlier than they did.

If a 24 year old player who was the main reason his country got to the quarter final of the African Cup of Nations (having appeared there for the first time ever) and top scorer in the competition while his side were still in it, isnt considered a special talent then surely nodoy in the ACN was a special talent. Which can't be true, surely.

MancFanFromManc · 14th February 2008, 12:02

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

To be fair, it would be stupid not to consider him a special talent already on the back of his performances in the ACN.

It would be good Page Ranking for the WC 2010 is he was playing in the Prem before then....

spinoza · 14th February 2008, 12:28

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Originally Posted by w'or bobby

The Egypt defence he scored his 25 yard screamer against gave up 4 goals in 5 games and held Drogba and Eto'o off the score-sheet.
They were well disciplined and kept their shape, were brave and strong in the tackle.
I think we may well see good things from the boy.

True, that.

I'm liking him more and more.

wancolos · 14th February 2008, 12:39

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

To be fair, it would be stupid not to consider him a special talent already on the back of his performances in the ACN.

Only thing he's done so far is scoring a few goals in the African Nations Cup.

Hardly enough to be branded as a 'special talent' yet...

Van Piorsing · 14th February 2008, 12:46

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Originally Posted by wancolos

Only thing he's done so far is scoring a few goals in the African Nations Cup.

Hardly enough to be branded as a 'special talent' yet...

True, but he was the main reason why Angola was in that stage on ANC.

Ekeke · 14th February 2008, 12:48

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Originally Posted by wancolos

Only thing he's done so far is scoring a few goals in the African Nations Cup.

Hardly enough to be branded as a 'special talent' yet...

He outscored Drogba (best striker in the premiership last year) and Eto'o (widely considered the best striker in the world) whilst his team (who were far inferior) were in the competition.

Having watched the matches myself I can safely say his shots to goals ratio must be nearly as good as O'Shea's was last season. He had very few chances, but he scored almost all of them in Africa's big tournament.

Of course thats enough to be branded a 'special talent'. Unless you are claiming Drogba and Eto'o are not special talents, in which case... Your standards are far too high...

11th February 2008, 12:20	#1 (permalink)
redender Wannabe Manc Join Date: May 2005 Location: Manchester - Farrrrrr away from mehro Posts: 2,508	Manucho watch Panathinaikos play Rangers away on Wednesday night, Manucho has been enlisted in their UEFA Squad in time. Does anyone know if he will be inlvolved? He didn't play at weekend... Interesting to see they have signed Helder Postiga too.

11th February 2008, 12:26	#3 (permalink)
Sean_RedDevil Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Close to Villa Park Posts: 1,586	Man Utd's Manucho must wait for UEFA Cup chance Manchester United striker signing Manucho Goncalves must wait to make his European debut. The Daily Record says the Angola star, who has joined Panathinaikos on-loan for the rest of the season, will be left behind in Athens for his new club's UEFA Cup clash with Rangers. Manucho will not be risked for the tie against Walter Smith's men as he has not yet even trained with his new teammates at Panathinaikos. The 24-year-old signed a three-year deal at Old Trafford from Angolan side Petro Atheltico after impressing on a three-week trial in December but because of work-permit issues in the UK he was immediately sent to the Greek outfit on loan for the rest of the season. Manucho enhanced his reputation as a rising star in football with a dynamic display of goalscoring in the Africa Cup in Ghana. He scored the opener in Angola's first game against South Africa last month and struck a further two against Senegal in a 3-1 win. A goal followed in the 2-1 loss to eventual winners Egypt although his 25-yard effort has been described as the goal of the tournament. Daily Record

11th February 2008, 12:29	#4 (permalink)
redender Wannabe Manc Join Date: May 2005 Location: Manchester - Farrrrrr away from mehro Posts: 2,508	Oh well, maybe thw return leg eh!? At least we can see what he's working with!

11th February 2008, 15:38	#8 (permalink)
a_devil_inside Big footed hermaphrodite Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Little Britain Posts: 23,487	if we get drawn against Panathinaikos after we beat Lyon can he play against us?

11th February 2008, 15:45	#10 (permalink)
a_devil_inside Big footed hermaphrodite Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Little Britain Posts: 23,487	they get knocked out?

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ByronSteve Youth Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ano Melissia,Athens,Greece Posts: 235	Manucho will not be arriving here in Athens until Thursday now as he has not got his visa through yet. He was supposed to fly in today but this has been delayed due to the hold up with the visa.

11th February 2008, 17:40	#12 (permalink)
davisjw Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,229	The real question is how he does with some actual midfielders behind him giving him good distribution and support. The lad pretty much carried his team during the African Cup. Suddenly Panathinaikos games are starting to look watchable...

11th February 2008, 19:56	#17 (permalink)
davisjw Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,229	Don't think you can mention them but that's for the mods to decide- seeing as you're only saying WHAT you would do to see them rather then HOW you would see them, you should be alright... But in any case, ^ what he said (oops two posts up now)...

13th February 2008, 18:52	#19 (permalink)
redender Wannabe Manc Join Date: May 2005 Location: Manchester - Farrrrrr away from mehro Posts: 2,508	C'mon Panathinaikos twat the sweaties!

13th February 2008, 21:14	#20 (permalink)
gerrydaly Praying to have a guy on top of him Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Lancashire Posts: 986	Bit late, and no Manucho anyway, but the Rangers match turned up on BBC 1 Scotland/Sky Ch. 971. Goalless after 56 mintues fyi.

13th February 2008, 21:16	#21 (permalink)
redender Wannabe Manc Join Date: May 2005 Location: Manchester - Farrrrrr away from mehro Posts: 2,508	Can also watch it on BBC Sport player (if like me you've been banished for Location, Location, Location!) Hopefully he'll be involved in the second leg, not been impressed with Pana going forward. Then again they do have their best 2 forwards on the bench.

14th February 2008, 11:34	#22 (permalink)
Pogue Mahone Dr Death wasting tax payers money on the Caf all day Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "As relaxed and natural on the park as a dog chasing a piece of silver paper in the wind" Posts: 10,404	Sir Alex To Re-Apply For Manucho Permit Recent Manchester United acquisition has been farmed out to Panathinaikos due to his being denied a UK work permit, but Sir Alex Ferguson is eager to try again soon. Angolan striker Manucho will spend the next few months in Greece with Panathinaikos after being refused a British work permit, but Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson holds out hope that the ex-Petro Atletico man will pull on the red shirt sooner rather than later. He told the Manchester Evening News, "Given that he played for Angola and did so well at the African Nations Cup, we will re-apply for his work permit in the summer and hopefully next year he could play for us." Under United Kingdom rules, work permits do not have to be granted to players who do not play in 75% or more of their national team's matches over a two-year period. Only in exceptional circumstances will permits be granted for such players, with Manucho being turned down for his. However, the player himself remains upbeat, saying, "It is a pleasure hearing all this from someone as experienced as Alex Ferguson. If things turn out favourably, I will do my best to score as many as I can." Manucho, 24, managed four goals at the Africa Cup of Nations in Ghana. http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=585443 I had mistakenly thought it was a foregone conclusion that he could sign for us in the summer. Which was a bit silly, to be fair, I was completely overlooking the "75% of games over two years" clause needed to get a work permit. That was the main reason, I think, why Chelsea had Alex on their books for two whole seasons before he got clearance to play in the UK. Looks like we need Manucho to make a serious impact in Greece and qualify as a "special talent" or we won't see him at United until 2010

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Ekeke McFuckwit Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,193	To be fair, it would be stupid not to consider him a special talent already on the back of his performances in the ACN.

14th February 2008, 11:47	#25 (permalink)
Ekeke McFuckwit Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,193	Yeah, I suppose it would make it a lot harder if he didnt make an impact in Greece... And I don't know about these things either, but honestly he took his chances better than any other striker in the competition - Eto'o and Drogba included. And considering they were part of far stronger teams its no surprise he went out of the tournament a round earlier than they did. If a 24 year old player who was the main reason his country got to the quarter final of the African Cup of Nations (having appeared there for the first time ever) and top scorer in the competition while his side were still in it, isnt considered a special talent then surely nodoy in the ACN was a special talent. Which can't be true, surely.