Manucho watch

ave fenix · 12th March 2008, 13:52

"He is a special forward - a tall target man, a typical number nine in the box

Well Saha seems that's the end of your United spell.

Van Piorsing · 12th March 2008, 13:55

If only Saha could heal his knee on 100%... Him and Manucho could create excellent partnership in the front, next season.

UnofficialDevil · 12th March 2008, 14:01

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

That's what I thought at the ACN. He's always looked really slow to me.

But all the pundits at the time described him as quick and so did Fergie and Queroz after we signed him. Maybe he's one of those really big bokes who look like they're running slower than they actually are, because they take such huge strides?

No, I dont think that is tha case, he just looked slow..

UnofficialDevil · 12th March 2008, 14:02

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Originally Posted by robthered

A way too slow top striker? Cool!

Ruud was not the fastest player I have seen and he was a top striker, so yes why not? So is Crespo and a lot of other strikers. you dont HAVE to be quick to be a box striker.

Sam#1 · 12th March 2008, 14:03

We need pace upfront, that's why I believe we'll buy another striker, and use Manucho as our own 'Crouch', i.e, throw him on when we're losing.

RedSky At Night · 12th March 2008, 14:09

bollocks to that Sam, Berbatov is probably the slowest and most lazy striker in the premiership, but he oozes class. I think Manucho will surprise alot of people here, after watching him at the ACN I believe he will play a very important role for us next season. He reminded me of Kanu.

Sam#1 · 12th March 2008, 14:12

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Originally Posted by RedSky At Night

bollocks to that Sam, Berbatov is probably the slowest and most lazy striker in the premiership, but he oozes class. I think Manucho will surprise alot of people here, after watching him at the ACN I believe he will play a very important role for us next season. He reminded me of Kanu.

We will buy a striker that can play the 'Saha' role, i.e, on the shoulder of the last defender. With Manucho's pace, or lack of, defenders in the Premiership will eat him alive if he plays like that.

And you mention Berbatov, well, he doesn't play that role, so his lack of pace doesn't effect him.

robthered · 12th March 2008, 14:41

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Originally Posted by UnofficialDevil

Ruud was not the fastest player I have seen and he was a top striker, so yes why not? So is Crespo and a lot of other strikers. you dont HAVE to be quick to be a box striker.

I know, I know. Check my posts from that day; I woke up sarcastic for some reason.

Still there's a difference between 'not being quick' and 'way too slow'.

A slow striker would fuck up our game more than if Benitez was to take over next week. We need mobility and a finisher. If Manucho is up to the job, and that guy on YouTube has convinced me, then good stuff. If not, waste of time.

devilish · 12th March 2008, 14:47

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Originally Posted by robthered

I know, I know. Check my posts from that day; I woke up sarcastic for some reason.

Still there's a difference between 'not being quick' and 'way too slow'.

A slow striker would fuck up our game more than if Benitez was to take over next week. We need mobility and a finisher. If Manucho is up to the job, and that guy on YouTube has convinced me, then good stuff. If not, waste of time.

Sheringham and Larsson showed that you dont need pace if you have brains. And whats wrong in having players with different strengths and weaknesses upfront?

Mozza · 12th March 2008, 15:26

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

We will buy a striker that can play the 'Saha' role, i.e, on the shoulder of the last defender. With Manucho's pace, or lack of, defenders in the Premiership will eat him alive if he plays like that.

And you mention Berbatov, well, he doesn't play that role, so his lack of pace doesn't effect him.

I doubt many defenders will be able to knock him off the ball

rooney__10 · 12th March 2008, 16:43

Hopefully manucho does have the neccessary skills to hold up the play and play on the last man. If he does turn out to be top class then that will benefit rooney no-end.

However we still need a player ut from the saha ilk and when we do eventually put him down we will need a replacement.

Paddy · 12th March 2008, 17:17

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Originally Posted by UnofficialDevil

No, I dont think that is tha case, he just looked slow..

He looked pretty quick in the ACN games. Maybe he's just unfit or not used to the style of play

Jiggs'Hamstring · 13th March 2008, 10:36

This is in no way a dig at Manucho but I just saw the goal and that was close to the worst defending I've ever seen. From the first angle I wondered how he had so much space, from the replay I saw that it was because the defender decided not to defend. Maybe it's cause he didn't think the ball was going to come in, but still ... fuck me

robthered · 13th March 2008, 12:26

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Originally Posted by devilish

Sheringham and Larsson showed that you dont need pace if you have brains. And whats wrong in having players with different strengths and weaknesses upfront?

Right so now you're comparing him to Teddy and Larsson. Strange, have you any evidence that he's slow but the player that can create chances and is that type of intelligent forward?

spinoza · 13th March 2008, 12:31

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Originally Posted by ByronSteve

As I said in an earlier post, Manucho has today hinted that he may have to wait a little longer for his return to OT.
If we dont get him next season, he is going to be 26 by the time he gets to us and then he is going to have to get used to The Premier which is a lot faster and tougher than the Mickey Mouse league he's in here.

Is he hinting because he wants to stay at Panathinaikos or because the Home Office is fucking United over?

robthered · 13th March 2008, 12:35

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Originally Posted by spinoza

Is he hinting because he wants to stay at Panathinaikos or because the Home Office is fucking United over?

He's knows he's probably not good enough and Fergie's told him we're buying Beratov

devilish · 13th March 2008, 12:45

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Originally Posted by robthered

Right so now you're comparing him to Teddy and Larsson. Strange, have you any evidence that he's slow but the player that can create chances and is that type of intelligent forward?

No im not comparing him to Teddy or Larrson. I am just saying that you dont need to have pace to play upfront. Roberto Baggio wasnt pacey but had more talent in his feet then all our strikers combined.

robthered · 13th March 2008, 12:54

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Originally Posted by devilish

No im not comparing him to Teddy or Larrson. I am just saying that you dont need to have pace to play upfront. Roberto Baggio wasnt pacey but had more talent in his feet then all our strikers combined.

Oh for fuck's sake I know that. I'm just saying that I think it would be a regression to go for a forward that wasn't particularly quick and that has the attributes that Manucho apparently has.

I have seen nothing that would suggest he has the ability of the players you mention to compensate for it.

BAMSOLA · 13th March 2008, 13:23

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

We will buy a striker that can play the 'Saha' role, i.e, on the shoulder of the last defender. With Manucho's pace, or lack of, defenders in the Premiership will eat him alive if he plays like that.

And you mention Berbatov, well, he doesn't play that role, so his lack of pace doesn't effect him.

Everybody seems to have already formed the opinion that he has a lack of pace yet he started he's career as a winger so he can't be that slow. I think some of you are misreading the role which he's asked to play. During the African cup of nations when I watched him I can only recall the ball being played ahead of him once and on that occasion he raced onto a low cross and finished with a diving header.

The majority of times I see him play he either has the ball played into he's feet or the ball played to he's head in the box, I don't think i've ever seen him have the oportunity to race onto a through ball or run the channels. Its exactly the same thing with Adebayor in france, rarely did you ever get the chance to see how much pace he had because of the tempo and the role that he played in france.

Its only when we get Manucho to OT that we will actually get a good chance to see just how much pace he has. If he's only used purely as a target man as has been case whenever i've seen him previously then he doesn't get much chance to show he's pace.

Pogue Mahone · 13th March 2008, 14:20

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Originally Posted by BAMSOLA

Everybody seems to have already formed the opinion that he has a lack of pace yet he started he's career as a winger so he can't be that slow.

Exactly. And all the African pundits on Eurosport (who are probably a damn sight more familiar with the bloke than we are) kept mentioning his pace as one of his strengths. So did Queroz, when we first signed him.

ByronSteve · 13th March 2008, 19:54

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Originally Posted by spinoza

Is he hinting because he wants to stay at Panathinaikos or because the Home Office is fucking United over?

No, he would go to United tomorrow, Its because the feedback he is getting on the work permit issue, is not very positive.

spinoza · 14th March 2008, 12:13

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Originally Posted by ByronSteve

No, he would go to United tomorrow, Its because the feedback he is getting on the work permit issue, is not very positive.

The Home Office are turning into a bunch of cnuts. They've gotten far more restrictive generally over the past year or so, but I never thought it would extend to footballers.

FlawlessThaw · 14th March 2008, 12:16

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Originally Posted by spinoza

The Home Office are turning into a bunch of cnuts. They've gotten far more restrictive generally over the past year or so, but I never thought it would extend to footballers.

It's because of all the idiots who scream blue murder about immigrants and then go and support Chelsea and Arsenal.

spinoza · 14th March 2008, 12:18

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Originally Posted by FlawlessThaw

It's because of all the idiots who scream blue murder about immigrants and then go and support Chelsea and Arsenal.

sonymobby · 16th March 2008, 12:07

Manucho won't play today according to some greek sport websites because he got injured on his last training session.

devilish · 16th March 2008, 13:08

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Originally Posted by robthered

Oh for fuck's sake I know that. I'm just saying that I think it would be a regression to go for a forward that wasn't particularly quick and that has the attributes that Manucho apparently has.

I have seen nothing that would suggest he has the ability of the players you mention to compensate for it.

He may not be the most gifted striker on earth but you dont need to be if youre a main striker and you have the killer instinct. Take Inzaghi for example, he can hardly dribble past a defender and yet, his goalscoring stats are incredible.

In my opinion we should wait and see. Moving at the highest level will be tough. Stating that, he will start with us as our 4th choice striker, a role which one of the most prolific strikers in the Coppa Africa should be covering adequatly.

Diabo_Sam · 16th March 2008, 13:13

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Originally Posted by sonymobby

Manucho won't play today according to some greek sport websites because he got injured on his last training session.

ByronSteve · 16th March 2008, 14:47

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Originally Posted by sonymobby

Manucho won't play today according to some greek sport websites because he got injured on his last training session.

Yes, he is injured and rumours here are that he may well have played his last game for Panathinaikos this season. He has a problem with his right foot, sustaining the injury in last weeks match and it has not responded to therapy.
When I get more info, I will let you know.

Addict · 16th March 2008, 14:49

Fuck sake not another Saha...

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ave fenix Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 19º 00' North of the Equator 70º 40' West of Greenwich. Posts: 963	"He is a special forward - a tall target man, a typical number nine in the box Well Saha seems that's the end of your United spell.

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Van Piorsing Lost his light sabre Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Polska Posts: 10,019	If only Saha could heal his knee on 100%... Him and Manucho could create excellent partnership in the front, next season.

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Sam#1 First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Leroy Lita Posts: 14,087	We need pace upfront, that's why I believe we'll buy another striker, and use Manucho as our own 'Crouch', i.e, throw him on when we're losing.

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RedSky At Night Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,670	bollocks to that Sam, Berbatov is probably the slowest and most lazy striker in the premiership, but he oozes class. I think Manucho will surprise alot of people here, after watching him at the ACN I believe he will play a very important role for us next season. He reminded me of Kanu.

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rooney__10 Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,272	Hopefully manucho does have the neccessary skills to hold up the play and play on the last man. If he does turn out to be top class then that will benefit rooney no-end. However we still need a player ut from the saha ilk and when we do eventually put him down we will need a replacement.

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Jiggs'Hamstring Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: right up next to Sky Valley Posts: 673	This is in no way a dig at Manucho but I just saw the goal and that was close to the worst defending I've ever seen. From the first angle I wondered how he had so much space, from the replay I saw that it was because the defender decided not to defend. Maybe it's cause he didn't think the ball was going to come in, but still ... fuck me

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sonymobby Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,877	Manucho won't play today according to some greek sport websites because he got injured on his last training session.

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Addict Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: PM me for free £25 on Betfair.com/free €20 on Bwin.com Posts: 3,105	Fuck sake not another Saha...