Nani

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Full backs both of them.

charlenefan

They're not wingers but that's where we'd play them

Cina

no it isn't

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I very much doubt that.

Kagawa definitely would not feature on the wings.

SATA

How's his contract situation anyway? Or is this going to be done after the Euros, assuming he stays of course

Redfighter

We wouldn't play Kagawa there unless we had many injuries. But Hazard would start left.

Gay rush doesn't seem to understand that saying someone would start on the left does not mean they are being called a winger.

charlenefan

Why not? What possible evidence is there that Fergie should and will drop Welbeck & play Rooney as the furthest forward? Park best position isn't wide either but that's where he's played his entire United career what makes you think Kagawa would be any different?

Zen

They aren't traditional wingers, but they can(more so Hazard than Kagawa who didn't play that role much, if at all this year) coming in off the wing. Which is exactly what we could do with. We have 3 traditional wingers at the moment and mostly play with 2, it's a dated style, and we are slacking behind because of it despite how good 2 of them are.

I also doubt very much Kagawa would feature often on the wings, especially if we keep the 3 we have already plus Hazard, he'd be back up into CM now and then most likely instead if we don't invest there on top of signing these two.

Cina

Yet again Redfighter you talk utter shit. You claim having them here will mean Nani will be drifting out of the team yet have just said that Kagawa isn't even a winger.

It's blatant from what you are saying that you haven't seen either of them play, so seriously, give it a fucking rest. It's embarrassing.

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Red bummer doesn't seem to understand that Hazard's best position is playing through the middle.

Probably because Red bummer has never seen him play.

Cina

I prefer GayBumBrusher personally.

Zen

That may be the case, but it'd be quite hard to really know since he's played most of his recent Lille career(past 2 years or so) start as the left of a forward 3 or on the left of a 4231.

Most CL games, French cup final...what you'd consider the important stuff, he's been on the left.

Thick Numpty

If all 3 of our current wingers were fit we'd have Valencia on the right, and Nani/Young on the left. Two of those are players playing on the left who are right footed and who would naturally drift inside anyway. What would Hazard in a wide left area drifting in-field give us that Nani in a wide left area drifting in-field doesn't?

If we sign either of them they'll play centrally.

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GayThrush Sorewood

Zen

That's like asking what would would Nasri or Silva give on the wing that Adam Johnson doesn't really. Theres a complete difference in style of player really...Hazard averages about 20 more passes per 90 minutes for one and crosses far less.

Redfighter

You're really not with it today are you.

I've seen both many times

- No Kagawa is not a winger, he'd play more central.
- Hazard has played mostly off the left side of an attacking three
- Nani tends to play on our left
- Valencia is first choice right winger

So if Kagawa and Hazard joined then Kagawa would play through the middle and Hazard I likely to play of the left, when both start, thus Nani gets nudged from the side.

Not rocket science.

Furthermore, if we started with those two and needed to shore things up in a game I'd wager than SAF would bring on Young ahead of Nani. So unless Nani is starting in place of Hazard or Valencia then he misses out. That is the point!

Redfighter

It may be long term, but he's played in that position less than wide right or left for Lille. He comes inside. He isn't a winger as such, no more than Nasri, but hat's where Nasri has played from and so will Hazard, if we sign Kagawa too, or the Welbeck Rooney combo is used.

Redfighter

Because Hazard might be better than Nani and Young.

Kagawa would certainly play central yes.

Baxter

Valencia isn't going to start every game. Hazard/Kagawa won't start every single game. What is the problem? If you look at the injuries to Nani and Young this season then surely some more strength in that position is a good thing? Also bar Valencia every single player up front could interchange and we would become an even more fluid attacking unit.

Thick Numpty

I could see Valencia being asked to play right back with Nani, Hazard and Kagawa as a fluid three behind Rooney, IF we were to sign both. Valencia is the only one who sticks to the flank as far as our wing options are concerned, the others are best when they float.

Further, Nani is vastly under rated on here, his place shouldn't be in danger, he's our second best player (attacking wise at least) behind Rooney.

Thick Numpty

I don't see that he's enough of an upgrade on Nani to be worth the effort. Young doesn't really come into the thinking because when everyone is fit he's a back-up player for me.

Zen

Eh, I think he gets underrated and overrated on equal measure, but that's how sports fans have always worked, some overly critical, some overly appreciative, it's nothing new. Though both him and Carrick seem to get more underrated on a wider basis, but considering most people are hugely anti-United, also not that surprising.

devilish

Nani is a step behind the likes of Messi and Ronaldo. The reason for it, is not limited to talent (he's a great player but not at the level of Ronaldo etc) but also because he lacks consistency. I reckon that having someone like Hazard to compete with will give Nani (and all others) a kick in the backside. Complacency is a risk in any team.

Thick Numpty

I just don't get why some people on here seem so keen to ease him out to make room for Hazard. Even if Hazard were better than Nani, and so far that remains to be seen, Nani would still be our second best winger so it makes absolutely no sense for him to be the one to miss out. For Valencia I'd understand, there isn't much between him and Nani, but Nani is a much superior player to Young.

devilish

Im being simplistic here but here it goes

(4-2-3-1)

Hazard = replacement for Giggs
Nani = replacement for Ronaldo
Valencia = replacement for Park
Kagawa = old Scholes replacement (ie in Tevez role)

Thick Numpty

That's fair enough. Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy to see Hazard and Kagawa both come to United. They aren't necessarily my first choice for summer signings, but both look like very good players who would improve us, but for me, not at the expense of Nani.

Rossa

Imagine the drool on most people's mouths if there were talks about us signing Nani. After all, few us of follow another team like we follow United, and thus we would watch the Youtube clips and listen to what the media say. If Nani had played in the Bundesliga or the Spanish League, he would be praised as a massive talent and we would all hail him as the next great thing. Now we have him and we criticise him for not being too consistent, but he did contribute to more goals last season than Valencia!

United players are massively underrated by the media due to the club's focus on team mentality; even Nani said that he was told to play for the team and thus ease down on the trickery. The fact that Silva has received so much praise this season, for instance, is beyond me as he has been more inconsistent than Nani!

I'm always right

Not sure this is true, both Nani & Valencia have kept the other out the team in that position over the past few years.

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Nailed it Rossa.

devilish

These days the border between a first teamer and a reserve had become blurred. Tactics and form dictate whose going to play and whose ending up in the reserves. I mean I can only see 4 traditional type of first teamers at United (Evra, Rooney, Vidic and De Gea) and the latter 3 are covered by players who are too good to be considered as mere reserves (Welbeck/Chicarito, Jones/Smalling/Evans and Lindegaard)

I'm always right

This.

The idea that Valencia is first choice is just so wrong, as SAF showed us against Citeh, we don't have a first choice winger.

Cina

You said yourself that Nani is better than Young. Why the hell would you bring Young on ahead of him? Where's the logic?
We're about to offer him a new 130k a week contract, which would make him our 2nd highest paid player.
He's definitely not behind Valencia in the pecking order, neither have been fully fit at the same stage for ages so we don't know who is ahead of who.
Again you admit Kagawa is a central player, but in your original post you said the fact that he would be coming to the club would have an impact on how much Nani plays. Where's the logic in that?
If Hazard has played mostly on the left side of a front THREE then how does that suddenly mean he'll become the first choice winger in a midfield FOUR despite the fact that he's only 21 and isn't as good a player as Nani is yet?

Now then, to some of your points in the Hazard thread.

You're comparing him to the 2nd best player in the world and one of the most lethal and consistent footballers to ever grace the game. Is that a fair way to measure his attacking contributions?

Ok, so you'd have him behind Young in the pecking order despite the fact that Young has MORE average games than Nani does and contributes less goals?

Where to even begin? Nani was involved in more goals than any other player on our team last season, he's also our 3rd highest goalscorer, AHEAD of Young this season despite his injuries, yet Young is a greater goal threat than him, even though Nani pretty much scores every one-on-one he gets, and a lot of people on here seem to agree that he's one of our best finishers. And his delivery is better? Nani can put crosses and through balls into the box that Young could only dream of.

Why is Valencia a certain starter? Nani pushed him out of the team in 2010, and was first choice on the right last season until he picked up the injury against Liverpool. He played more games than any other player in our team last season. And again, other than that they've both basically never been fit at the same time.

Not with it? You're clueless. Nobody on here agrees with you.

Redfighter

And I'm pretty sure everybody here would say that SAF got it badly wrong against City. Valencia should have started that match, as should Welbeck.

I just don't think you play Hazard, Kagawa and Nani together unless your central midfield pairing is the dogs bollocks. Ours hasn't been.

SAF also like to go with things tha have worked previously and he's always quick to point out tha Valencia played a massive part in Rooney's goal scoring 3 seasons ago. It's the same thinking that saw him play Nani against Cliche vs City.

Cina

The City game was a joke, Rooney was just as bad as Nani but nobody gave him stick, and neither of them got the ball much because our midfield was constantly overrun and they were left isolated. He was also doubled, sometimes tripled up on by the City players. What SAF should've done is put Nani on the left and Valencia on the right.

I'm always right

Your point?

My point is undisputed, it shows you he aint "first choice", none of our wingers are.

devilish

I wont delve on Kagawa and Hazard cause they are not our players yet. However all our wingers have their set of strengths and weaknesses. Nani is highly technically gifted but is weak defensively and can be too ambitious. Valencia is the best defensively, he's the typical EPL winger, ie fast, powerful and can deliver a great cross but can be a bit predictable. Young is somewhere in the middle. They are all at the same level and none of them can say he's first teamer.

I'm always right

Definitely.

But because SAF got it wrong Redfighter has now decided that Valencia IS first choice, just that SAF was wrong.

Fucking bizarre logic this boy has.

Cina

No they're not, Valencia and Nani are way better than Young

I'm always right

this.

I like Young, but he's not at their level.

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