Nani

Rado_N · 8th May 2011, 14:01

It's an hour too soon for team news isn't it?

Sojiro · 8th May 2011, 14:02

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Originally Posted by R_Nick

It's an hour too soon for team news isn't it?

DTguardian on twitter tweeted the team, not sure if its confirmed but:

VDS, Fabio, Vidic, Ferdinand, Oshea, Giggs, Park, Carrick, Valencia, Rooney, Hernandez

Top · 8th May 2011, 14:05

It's not confirmed. Nothing will be confirmed 2 hours before kick-off.

Broyphs · 8th May 2011, 14:09

If he is out it will just be a case of horse for courses. Nani will give them more opportunities to attack than Valencia or Park, so it will be perspiration over inspiration.

Rado_N · 8th May 2011, 14:11

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Originally Posted by Brophs

If he is out it will just be a case of horse for courses. Nani will give them more opportunities to attack than Valencia or Nani, so it will be perspiration over inspiration.

You mean Park?

Hectic · 8th May 2011, 14:12

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Originally Posted by Brophs

Nani will give them more opportunities to attack than Valencia or Nani, so it will be perspiration over inspiration.

I prefer Nani sometimes to Nani as well, offers something really different.

Broyphs · 8th May 2011, 14:12

I did.

Chabon · 8th May 2011, 20:41

It sucks for him, but it's not about his ability, its about what he brings (or rather doesn't) defensively. If we persevere with this formation next season then he'll either have to be so good as to make himself undroppable, or he'll probably leave. Not playing in the final will really hurt him, just have to hope he doesn't get his head turned.

girish · 8th May 2011, 21:11

He could do with some time in the bench, to think about the times he's decided to shoot instead of pass.

Skholesy · 8th May 2011, 21:26

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Originally Posted by Chabon

It sucks for him, but it's not about his ability, its about what he brings (or rather doesn't) defensively. If we persevere with this formation next season then he'll either have to be so good as to make himself undroppable, or he'll probably leave. Not playing in the final will really hurt him, just have to hope he doesn't get his head turned.

As someone said, its horses for courses....i'm sure he knows by now that its always park in the big games.

he's had a dip in form recently, so should be eased back into the team. Which is okay, him and berba carried us for large parts at the start of the season.

Escobar · 8th May 2011, 21:28

If he had the form of 2 months ago, he would have started for sure. With the squad we have, only those in top form can play, that is hard for Berbatov and Nani, but its also up to them

Carl · 8th May 2011, 21:30

He's simply not in great form at the minute and hasn't been the same since the Carragher challenge.

Levi_Jm · 8th May 2011, 21:40

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Originally Posted by Chabon

It sucks for him, but it's not about his ability, its about what he brings (or rather doesn't) defensively. If we persevere with this formation next season then he'll either have to be so good as to make himself undroppable, or he'll probably leave. Not playing in the final will really hurt him, just have to hope he doesn't get his head turned.

I'm pretty sure he'll play in the final. He just won't start.

Cina · 28th May 2011, 21:38

I know it was expected, but it's ridiculous that the lad didn't start tonight.

ha_rooney · 28th May 2011, 21:40

Valencia and Park's form meant he was not going to start. Nani did well when he came on, but Valencia's form was better leading up to the game.

FlawlessThaw · 28th May 2011, 21:41

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Originally Posted by ha_rooney

Valencia and Park's form meant he was not going to start. Nani did well when he came on, but Valencia's form was better leading up to the game.

Been out of form since Carragher laid into him so yeah not really unexpected for him not to start.

Cina · 28th May 2011, 21:42

We were at least crying for him to come on at half time. He showed more threat in 20 minutes than Valencia and Giggs did in the entire game.

Red Defence · 28th May 2011, 21:46

Big mistake not starting him but it's too late now.

Brought him on too late as well.

Lailiani · 28th May 2011, 21:48

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Originally Posted by Red Defence

Big mistake not starting him but it's too late now.

Brought him on too late as well.

It wasn't late and Fergie should have known better. At the very latest he should have brought him on when Barcelona started dominating in the first half. I'm not blaming anyone but why isn't it allowed to say Fergie made a mistake? Nani is such an attacking force and always a goal thread, we would have desperately needed him.

Rahul · 28th May 2011, 21:48

Tbh I think the result would have been the same EVEN if Nani started. Barcelona just play football at a different pedestal to everyone else.

They sweep aside teams for fun.

Ole's_toe_poke · 28th May 2011, 21:50

Would've made no difference really.

Lailiani · 28th May 2011, 21:51

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Originally Posted by Ole's_toe_poke

Would've made no difference really.

Rubbish. When he came on our game gained peace and attacking style and Rooney came alive again. Nani and Rooney linked well, they just would have needed more time. I'm not saying we would have won the game but we would have been definitely much more of a threat.

Ole's_toe_poke · 28th May 2011, 21:54

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Originally Posted by Lailiani

Rubbish. When he came on our game gained peace and attacking style and Rooney came alive again. Nani and Rooney linked well, they just would have needed more time. I'm not saying we would have won the game but we would have been definitely much more of a threat.

That was because Barca were 2 up and were retreating and trying to hang onto the lead.

Colin129 · 28th May 2011, 21:55

I agree, we ran out of time, Nani should have come on earlier.

Perhaps Nani should have started in place of Valencia, but on recent form, that was the team everyone was picking.

He threatened more on the right when he came on than Valencia did though...

Raven Blade · 28th May 2011, 22:00

None of us expected Valencia to be so ineffective tonight. He deserved the starting place on merit.

But Nani should definitely have come on sooner when our attack started to lose it's potency. It's a shame he didn't have enough time to potentially turn the game for us. It's the second final against Barcelona where he's been on the bench. Maybe next time we try something different.

Amir · 28th May 2011, 22:02

Hindsight is lovely. Nani's and Valencia's form over the past few weeks made the decision between them too bloody easy.

I don't think it would have mattered much anyway. As Ole's toe poke said, Barcelona played differently when 3-1 up which helped make Nani's performance look extra good.

Kevin · 28th May 2011, 22:08

Wouldn't have mattered, but with a better midfield, I'd have played Nani. valencia's technique got exposed against the closing down of Barca.

RedLars · 28th May 2011, 22:10

Ahead of next season it's important that we start building our team in a way that we are able to extract the best from all three of him, Rooney and Hernandez at the same time.

We need more strings to play on when going up against Barcelona, and in the squad right now, he's the only one who offers that extra dimension in attack.

Enigma_87 · 28th May 2011, 22:10

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Originally Posted by Raven Blade

None of us expected Valencia to be so ineffective tonight. He deserved the starting place on merit.

But Nani should definitely have come on sooner when our attack started to lose it's potency. It's a shame he didn't have enough time to potentially turn the game for us. It's the second final against Barcelona where he's been on the bench. Maybe next time we try something different.

Worst display I've seen from Valencia. But he suited us more before the game. Have no complaints about that.

We lost the game in CM.... again.

Lailiani · 28th May 2011, 22:11

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Originally Posted by Raven Blade

But Nani should definitely have come on sooner when our attack started to lose it's potency. .

Agreed. And we should have started to attack this way much earlier - we were never going to win after their 2:1 by keeping the style we started with. Some people don't seem to have an issue today, I have. We are a world-class team and it's simply disappointing to lose against the same team twice because of the same old reasons. I still don't understand why it always takes Fergie that much time to make substitutions when he can see that the team on the pitch isn't working properly.

wr8_utd · 28th May 2011, 22:24

I'd love it if we made subs a little earlier than the magical 70th minute mark.

amolbhatia100 · 28th May 2011, 22:26

I kept saying that we should bring Nani on before we concede another and I can't remember if we were 3-1 down when he came on (I think we were) but it was too late really. A substitution is supposed to revitalize the team not look like a token gesture when the team is totally out of gas and confidence.

One poor decision by Fergie on the night.

MadDogg · 28th May 2011, 22:30

Can't complain about the starting line-up, we all expected Valencia to really trouble the Barca leftback. It just didn't happen today.

I do think Nani should've come on a bit earlier though.

amolbhatia100 · 28th May 2011, 22:31

In the little time he was on he managed to make space and get a shot (which was tame in the end) away. That's the quality of player he is.

Neutral · 28th May 2011, 22:32

I don't care who the opponent is, if fit and not being rotated

Nani and Rooney need to be on the team sheet as starters every time.

johnmufc · 28th May 2011, 22:33

Nani's first and only contribution was giving the ball away in our own box to allow Villa to score. It was correct that he did not start. His form had been poor in the months leading up to the Final.

wr8_utd · 28th May 2011, 22:45

Not starting is fine but atleast him bring him on bloody hell. Valencia struggled all match. It would be great if we made subs a little earlier than we do.

Lailiani · 28th May 2011, 22:57

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Originally Posted by wr8_utd

Not starting is fine but atleast him bring him on bloody hell. Valencia struggled all match. It would be great if we made subs a little earlier than we do.

Not to mention that he was close to a sending-off.

Devil may care · 28th May 2011, 23:06

I was a bit surprised at how ineffective Valencia was, it seemed like Abidal had schooled himself well on Valencia's move and never got done by it.

I was calling for Nani to come on when Fergie switched Giggs out left, as I felt Nani's pace would trouble Alves more than Giggs.

VoetbalWizard · 28th May 2011, 23:08

will nani be angry he was benched? hope the lad doesn't look to leave.

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8th May 2011, 14:01	#2001 (permalink)
Rado_N Came from nowhere, yet still a better modmin than Weaste ever was Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: mishy gishy gushy gushy mishy meshy mushy, motherfucker Posts: 45,409	It's an hour too soon for team news isn't it?

8th May 2011, 14:05	#2003 (permalink)
Top Admin Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 8,349	It's not confirmed. Nothing will be confirmed 2 hours before kick-off.

8th May 2011, 14:09	#2004 (permalink)
Broyphs No Lifer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Commas are important. "Come on, Barbie, let's go party" is much less sinister than "Come on Barbie, let's go party" Posts: 33,123	If he is out it will just be a case of horse for courses. Nani will give them more opportunities to attack than Valencia or Park, so it will be perspiration over inspiration.

8th May 2011, 14:12	#2007 (permalink)
Broyphs No Lifer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Commas are important. "Come on, Barbie, let's go party" is much less sinister than "Come on Barbie, let's go party" Posts: 33,123	I did.

8th May 2011, 20:41	#2008 (permalink)
Chabon Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,015	It sucks for him, but it's not about his ability, its about what he brings (or rather doesn't) defensively. If we persevere with this formation next season then he'll either have to be so good as to make himself undroppable, or he'll probably leave. Not playing in the final will really hurt him, just have to hope he doesn't get his head turned.

8th May 2011, 21:11	#2009 (permalink)
girish I too love women...for their shoes. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Kerala,India Posts: 11,831	He could do with some time in the bench, to think about the times he's decided to shoot instead of pass.

8th May 2011, 21:28	#2011 (permalink)
Escobar Poster originally known as Michel04 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: "Collar turned up, back straight, chest stuck out, he glided into the arena as if he owned the fucking place" Posts: 17,558	If he had the form of 2 months ago, he would have started for sure. With the squad we have, only those in top form can play, that is hard for Berbatov and Nani, but its also up to them

8th May 2011, 21:30	#2012 (permalink)
Carl Not Allowed A Hash Tag Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Formerly cw1984 Posts: 31,727	He's simply not in great form at the minute and hasn't been the same since the Carragher challenge.

28th May 2011, 21:38	#2014 (permalink)
Cina Love Nani, Hate Ando Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Bandwagon Posts: 24,192	I know it was expected, but it's ridiculous that the lad didn't start tonight.

28th May 2011, 21:40	#2015 (permalink)
ha_rooney First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 15,184	Valencia and Park's form meant he was not going to start. Nani did well when he came on, but Valencia's form was better leading up to the game.

28th May 2011, 21:42	#2017 (permalink)
Cina Love Nani, Hate Ando Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Bandwagon Posts: 24,192	We were at least crying for him to come on at half time. He showed more threat in 20 minutes than Valencia and Giggs did in the entire game.

28th May 2011, 21:46	#2018 (permalink)
Red Defence First Team Sub Join Date: May 2009 Location: “United stands for attacking, attractive football played at high speed, with one-touch passing combinations, individual skill and unpredictability. That’s all conducted at pace, with intent.” Posts: 7,809	Big mistake not starting him but it's too late now. Brought him on too late as well.

28th May 2011, 21:48	#2020 (permalink)
Rahul First Team Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hunting The Hunter ! Posts: 12,667	Tbh I think the result would have been the same EVEN if Nani started. Barcelona just play football at a different pedestal to everyone else. They sweep aside teams for fun.

28th May 2011, 21:50	#2021 (permalink)
Ole's_toe_poke First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 22,983	Would've made no difference really.

28th May 2011, 21:55	#2024 (permalink)
Colin129 Role model Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Aliens are in control of my tagline & location, but they'll never take me alive! Posts: 16,394	I agree, we ran out of time, Nani should have come on earlier. Perhaps Nani should have started in place of Valencia, but on recent form, that was the team everyone was picking. He threatened more on the right when he came on than Valencia did though...

28th May 2011, 22:00	#2025 (permalink)
Raven Blade Dull Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Why do it the easy way? Do it the United way! Posts: 31,973	None of us expected Valencia to be so ineffective tonight. He deserved the starting place on merit. But Nani should definitely have come on sooner when our attack started to lose it's potency. It's a shame he didn't have enough time to potentially turn the game for us. It's the second final against Barcelona where he's been on the bench. Maybe next time we try something different.

28th May 2011, 22:02	#2026 (permalink)
Amir First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rehovot, Israel Posts: 17,361	Hindsight is lovely. Nani's and Valencia's form over the past few weeks made the decision between them too bloody easy. I don't think it would have mattered much anyway. As Ole's toe poke said, Barcelona played differently when 3-1 up which helped make Nani's performance look extra good.

28th May 2011, 22:08	#2027 (permalink)
Kevin First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,212	Wouldn't have mattered, but with a better midfield, I'd have played Nani. valencia's technique got exposed against the closing down of Barca.

28th May 2011, 22:10	#2028 (permalink)
RedLars Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,745	Ahead of next season it's important that we start building our team in a way that we are able to extract the best from all three of him, Rooney and Hernandez at the same time. We need more strings to play on when going up against Barcelona, and in the squad right now, he's the only one who offers that extra dimension in attack.

28th May 2011, 22:24	#2031 (permalink)
wr8_utd :'( Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 28,310	I'd love it if we made subs a little earlier than the magical 70th minute mark.

28th May 2011, 22:26	#2032 (permalink)
amolbhatia100 Coach (But never a mod) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: india Posts: 32,946	I kept saying that we should bring Nani on before we concede another and I can't remember if we were 3-1 down when he came on (I think we were) but it was too late really. A substitution is supposed to revitalize the team not look like a token gesture when the team is totally out of gas and confidence. One poor decision by Fergie on the night.

28th May 2011, 22:30	#2033 (permalink)
MadDogg First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: “Manchester United never lose, they just run out of time” Posts: 6,864	Can't complain about the starting line-up, we all expected Valencia to really trouble the Barca leftback. It just didn't happen today. I do think Nani should've come on a bit earlier though.

28th May 2011, 22:31	#2034 (permalink)
amolbhatia100 Coach (But never a mod) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: india Posts: 32,946	In the little time he was on he managed to make space and get a shot (which was tame in the end) away. That's the quality of player he is.

28th May 2011, 22:32	#2035 (permalink)
Neutral BTV Join Date: May 2010 Location: DC/Canberra/Dhaka Posts: 7,323	I don't care who the opponent is, if fit and not being rotated Nani and Rooney need to be on the team sheet as starters every time.

28th May 2011, 22:33	#2036 (permalink)
johnmufc More space between ears than Scholesy Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,193	Nani's first and only contribution was giving the ball away in our own box to allow Villa to score. It was correct that he did not start. His form had been poor in the months leading up to the Final.

28th May 2011, 22:45	#2037 (permalink)
wr8_utd :'( Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 28,310	Not starting is fine but atleast him bring him on bloody hell. Valencia struggled all match. It would be great if we made subs a little earlier than we do.

28th May 2011, 23:06	#2039 (permalink)
Devil may care First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6,730	I was a bit surprised at how ineffective Valencia was, it seemed like Abidal had schooled himself well on Valencia's move and never got done by it. I was calling for Nani to come on when Fergie switched Giggs out left, as I felt Nani's pace would trouble Alves more than Giggs.

28th May 2011, 23:08	#2040 (permalink)
VoetbalWizard Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: at the altar of ryan giggs Posts: 12,597	will nani be angry he was benched? hope the lad doesn't look to leave.