Nani has no future with United

fergieisold · 31st October 2009, 20:37

I've made my mind up about him. He's got obvious qualities in his play that led United to believe he would be a signing that they could develop further. unfortunately he is as shit as when he came and has little more than wonder goals in him.

Obertan came on for his debut and looked more dangerous than Nani has done all season.

I don't know what the general feeling is about Nani but I think it's been too long now for people to see him as a prospect that will come good - unfortunately he isn't good enough for United.

Ekeke · 31st October 2009, 20:38

Far too early to dismiss him. He has at least till the end of the season to show his best stuff. If he hasnt done it, then its time to start thinking about whether he has a future at the club.

djemba's arse · 31st October 2009, 20:39

"Fergie is old" ?
Is this a sack SAF, sell Nani attempt?

Count Duckula · 31st October 2009, 20:39

Then you could say the same about Valencia since the two played as well as each other, except that Valencia is older.

Striker10 · 31st October 2009, 20:40

it's just stupid...

ILBB15 · 31st October 2009, 20:40

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Originally Posted by fergieisold

Obertan came on for his debut and looked more dangerous than Nani has done all season.

Moron

CantonaVeron · 31st October 2009, 20:40

This is stupid, our players are getting slagged off far too easily, some fans on here are worse than Alan Green. Nani is a decent player with alot of potential, being a winger he is going to be up and down but if he can smooth off the edges he can be a great player for us.

soulblight3r · 31st October 2009, 20:41

Except his 'too long now' is actually alot shorter than Fletcher's..

B Cantona · 31st October 2009, 20:41

He's very disappointing

Should be producing far more than he has done

If he does get the old heave ho at the end of the season, he could have no complaints if things continue as they are

Still think he has the ability if he can just unlock the footballing nouse

charlenefan · 31st October 2009, 20:41

Ok firstly no future? When the likes of Arsenal have Eboue, Chelsea have Malouda/Kalou and Liverpool have Voronin on their bench to say Nani isn't good enough to be part of the squad and have a future with United is retarded to the extreme. What you meant to say is he's not ever going to be to the standard of playing week in week out as first choice

Secondly Obertan did fuck all apart from miss two sitters and run about, lets see him for 90 minutes rather than 15 against a team tiring at the end of a game shall we?

Spoony Youngblood · 31st October 2009, 20:42

He's got this season, at least.

B Cantona · 31st October 2009, 20:42

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Originally Posted by Count Duckula

Then you could say the same about Valencia since the two played as well as each other, except that Valencia is older.

Nah Valencia was the better player today. And he's only just arrived at the club, Nani couldn't possibly argue he hasn't had the chances

Tumbling-Dice · 31st October 2009, 20:43

:inserts Grandpa Simpson's walk in walk out of bordello gif:

fishfingers15 · 31st October 2009, 20:44

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Originally Posted by Brad

Nah Valencia was the better player today. And he's only just arrived at the club, Nani couldn't possibly argue he hasn't had the chances

He was good in his first season, didn't have chances the second season. This is his third season. Ronaldo got more time at the club and he wasn't half as effective as Nani in the first 3 seasons.

Harold_Giles · 31st October 2009, 20:46

Nani's decision making and end product is beyond frustrating.

B Cantona · 31st October 2009, 20:46

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Originally Posted by fishfingers15

didn't have chances the second season

That's a horrific analysis of his second season in fairness

He was often piss poor when he appeared, and for the most part didn't merit a place in the team

And it's not been much better than that this season, other than that there's less competition for a place with Ronaldo gone. And still he's not a regular starter

B Cantona · 31st October 2009, 20:47

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Originally Posted by fishfingers15

Ronaldo got more time at the club and he wasn't half as effective as Nani in the first 3 seasons.

Also this is toss too

Tumbling-Dice · 31st October 2009, 20:47

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Originally Posted by charlenefan

Secondly Obertan did fuck all apart from miss two sitters and run about, lets see him for 90 minutes rather than 15 against a team tiring at the end of a game shall we?

He was close to setting up two aswell and looked dangerous against a tiring Blackburn when gaps were opening up as they started to push on a bit.
Nani was up against the park the bus Blackburn.

Order of merit of our wingers today

1. Valencia
2. Nani
3. Obertan

They all did well, all three of them.

fishfingers15 · 31st October 2009, 20:47

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Originally Posted by Brad

Also this is toss too

So are you.

Sam · 31st October 2009, 20:47

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Originally Posted by fishfingers15

Ronaldo got more time at the club and he wasn't half as effective as Nani in the first 3 seasons.

OneUnited24 · 31st October 2009, 20:49

Problem with Nani is i dont really see where all this hate comes from, today for example i thought his final ball was poor but overall he wasnt that bad - however people ignore the good and look at the final ball and complain.

MST3K · 31st October 2009, 20:50

just need some confidence. Always looks like he is second guessing what his gut reaction is. When he does make his mind up, its usually a dangerous move ie a cut in shot from the left or a decent cross.

Fergie gave him a nice pat on the shoulder when he came off, expect to see him in the starting 11 on tues.

B Cantona · 31st October 2009, 20:50

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Originally Posted by fishfingers15

So are you.

So's your face... or summat

Cold_Boy · 31st October 2009, 20:50

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Originally Posted by charlenefan

Ok firstly no future? When the likes of Arsenal have Eboue, Chelsea have Malouda/Kalou and Liverpool have Voronin on their bench to say Nani isn't good enough to be part of the squad and have a future with United is retarded to the extreme. What you meant to say is he's not ever going to be to the standard of playing week in week out as first choice

Secondly Obertan did fuck all apart from miss two sitters and run about, lets see him for 90 minutes rather than 15 against a team tiring at the end of a game shall we?

This.

I think he still is missing the final ball.but unlike Valencia is surely nowhere near the peak of his talent.So he might still fulfil his potential.

Anyways I think he has to perform this season if he is going to establish himself as a first team player at least,thats for sure.

Justin · 31st October 2009, 20:52

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Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice

:inserts Grandpa Simpson's walk in walk out of bordello gif:

B Cantona · 31st October 2009, 20:52

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Originally Posted by OneUnited24

Problem with Nani is i dont really see where all this hate comes from, today for example i thought his final ball was poor but overall he wasnt that bad - however people ignore the good and look at the final ball and complain.

Why do your describe this as 'hate'?

He was poor today, he's been poor for a long time, he's not making a particularly impressive impact at OT thus far... why is it not fair to question where this is heading? Why does it have to be considered hate?

Perhaps with Nani, it's always polem...

Nah

Spoony Youngblood · 31st October 2009, 20:53

Ronaldo was voted player of the season by the fans in one of his first three seasons. He was inconsistent but he usually came strong in the latter of the season. Nani. . .just lacks a footballing brain - not that Ronaldo had one either.

Cold_Boy · 31st October 2009, 20:54

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Originally Posted by fishfingers15

He was good in his first season, didn't have chances the second season. This is his third season. Ronaldo got more time at the club and he wasn't half as effective as Nani in the first 3 seasons.

Wrong.

032Devil · 31st October 2009, 20:56

Just to remind some of you, Ronaldo needed close to three seasons before he came good.

Nani is steadily improving. He's trying hard and I felt for him when he was subbed - as did the United staff.

anything about now · 31st October 2009, 20:56

I think the problem with Nani is his unpredictability. He can be one of the most unpredictable players in the world, because he even keeps his teammates second-guessing. The reason for this is perhaps because he never thinks ahead, everything he does when he has the ball, seems to be a spur of the moment thing. Like he has no control over his body, that might explain the seemingly random crosses and passes that baffled Rooney and Berbatov.

I can't understand what he's doing in training. He has the abilities and the technique, but he plays like he still hasn't gelled with the team at all. Strangely enough he plays a lot better for Portugal, more confident as well.

fishfingers15 · 31st October 2009, 20:56

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Originally Posted by Spoony Youngblood

Ronaldo was voted player of the season by the fans in one of his first three seasons. He was inconsistent but he usually came strong in the latter of the season. Nani. . .just lacks a footballing brain - not that Ronaldo had one either.

It's true Spoony. And Ronaldo was younger too. But Ronaldo was highly inconsistent in his first 3 seasons and after the 2006 WC, I reckon most of the people here thought he had to go as well. But it's not far off the mark to say that Nani's first 2 seasons are comparable with Ronaldo's.

Rooney was highly disappointing last season too, but somehow Nani always gets huge criticism. He has surely got this season, and I'll not be surprised if Fergie gives him one more.

Tumbling-Dice · 31st October 2009, 20:56

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Originally Posted by Justin

That's the one.

CheadleBeagle · 31st October 2009, 20:57

To be honest I thought Obertan has showed more potential in his 2 appearances than Nani has. I think Obertan will go ahead of Nani but Nani will be a good backup if he wants to stay. Anyone notice how annoyed Nani looked to be subbed.

032Devil · 31st October 2009, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Cold_Boy

Wrong.

Ronaldo was definitely more infuriating in his early seasons.

Zen86 · 31st October 2009, 20:58

He's had alot of chances already, he's not going to suddenly develop any kind of footballing intelligence.

Boss · 31st October 2009, 20:58

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Originally Posted by fishfingers15

It's true Spoony. And Ronaldo was younger too. But Ronaldo was highly inconsistent in his first 3 seasons and after the 2006 WC, I reckon most of the people here thought he had to go as well. But it's not far off the mark to say that Nani's first 2 seasons are comparable with Ronaldo's.

Rooney was highly disappointing last season too, but somehow Nani always gets huge criticism. He has surely got this season, and I'll not be surprised if Fergie gives him one more.

Do you actually remember Ronaldo in the second half of 2005/06? He carried that form into the world cup, it didn't come after. Stop mything it up.

Tumbling-Dice · 31st October 2009, 20:59

Rooney was shocking today for the first 60-70 minutes yet people get on Nani's back.

Even Chimbonda was doing it.

I'll get my coat.

amolbhatia100 · 31st October 2009, 20:59

Oh well, that's that then. I guess we should let him know now. It's only fair.

And can we stop comparing Nani's first few years with Ronaldo's? Ronaldo was even then one of the best wingers in the league and often the best. Completely different levels the two of them.

Boss · 31st October 2009, 20:59

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Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice

That's the one.

I appreciate this one a tad bit more

Spoony Youngblood · 31st October 2009, 20:59

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Originally Posted by fishfingers15

It's true Spoony. And Ronaldo was younger too. But Ronaldo was highly inconsistent in his first 3 seasons and after the 2006 WC, I reckon most of the people here thought he had to go as well. But it's not far off the mark to say that Nani's first 2 seasons are comparable with Ronaldo's.

Rooney was highly disappointing last season too, but somehow Nani always gets huge criticism. He has surely got this season, and I'll not be surprised if Fergie gives him one more.

Yes, but they could see Ronaldo's potential. When he was great he was sublime. And same goes for Rooney at his best he's destructive. Nani on the otherhand hasn't really shown his full potential. Thing is, he's footballing brain could just be down to selfishness, so that could be improved. . .but I have a feeling he just doesn't have the power to be a great player in the Prem.

31st October 2009, 20:37	#1 (permalink)
fergieisold Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,353	Nani has no future with United I've made my mind up about him. He's got obvious qualities in his play that led United to believe he would be a signing that they could develop further. unfortunately he is as shit as when he came and has little more than wonder goals in him. Obertan came on for his debut and looked more dangerous than Nani has done all season. I don't know what the general feeling is about Nani but I think it's been too long now for people to see him as a prospect that will come good - unfortunately he isn't good enough for United.

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31st October 2009, 20:38	#2 (permalink)
Ekeke First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 22,336	Far too early to dismiss him. He has at least till the end of the season to show his best stuff. If he hasnt done it, then its time to start thinking about whether he has a future at the club.

31st October 2009, 20:39	#3 (permalink)
djemba's arse Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The Trophy Room Funny Posts: 2 Posts: 2,671	"Fergie is old" ? Is this a sack SAF, sell Nani attempt?

31st October 2009, 20:39	#4 (permalink)
Count Duckula Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tali'Zorah vas Normandy. Posts: 16,094	Then you could say the same about Valencia since the two played as well as each other, except that Valencia is older.

31st October 2009, 20:40	#5 (permalink)
Striker10 "Ronaldo and trophies > Manchester United football club" Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 13,092	it's just stupid...

31st October 2009, 20:40	#7 (permalink)
CantonaVeron Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: UK Posts: 2,623	This is stupid, our players are getting slagged off far too easily, some fans on here are worse than Alan Green. Nani is a decent player with alot of potential, being a winger he is going to be up and down but if he can smooth off the edges he can be a great player for us.

31st October 2009, 20:41	#8 (permalink)
soulblight3r Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: 1966 was a great year for English football...Eric was born.. Posts: 2,598	Except his 'too long now' is actually alot shorter than Fletcher's..

31st October 2009, 20:41	#9 (permalink)
B Cantona Desperate Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hated, Adored, Never Ignored Posts: 40,400	He's very disappointing Should be producing far more than he has done If he does get the old heave ho at the end of the season, he could have no complaints if things continue as they are Still think he has the ability if he can just unlock the footballing nouse

31st October 2009, 20:41	#10 (permalink)
charlenefan First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,803	Ok firstly no future? When the likes of Arsenal have Eboue, Chelsea have Malouda/Kalou and Liverpool have Voronin on their bench to say Nani isn't good enough to be part of the squad and have a future with United is retarded to the extreme. What you meant to say is he's not ever going to be to the standard of playing week in week out as first choice Secondly Obertan did fuck all apart from miss two sitters and run about, lets see him for 90 minutes rather than 15 against a team tiring at the end of a game shall we?

31st October 2009, 20:42	#11 (permalink)
Spoony Youngblood Wants to be more like Top Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: RIP Sydney Youngblood, who died in a tragic go-karting accident in 2007. RIP my cat 2001-09. iRIP Steve Cunting Jobs Posts: 42,100	He's got this season, at least.

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Tumbling-Dice Caf Nostradamus Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Roy Keane has five kids, partly because of his Irish Catholic background, and partly because someone told him that Patrick Vieira has four. Posts: 18,813	:inserts Grandpa Simpson's walk in walk out of bordello gif:

31st October 2009, 20:46	#15 (permalink)
Harold_Giles Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Iceland Posts: 765	Nani's decision making and end product is beyond frustrating.

31st October 2009, 20:49	#21 (permalink)
OneUnited24 First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 5,736	Problem with Nani is i dont really see where all this hate comes from, today for example i thought his final ball was poor but overall he wasnt that bad - however people ignore the good and look at the final ball and complain.

31st October 2009, 20:50	#22 (permalink)
MST3K Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: "Increase the Flash Gordon noise and put more science stuff around" Posts: 3,081	just need some confidence. Always looks like he is second guessing what his gut reaction is. When he does make his mind up, its usually a dangerous move ie a cut in shot from the left or a decent cross. Fergie gave him a nice pat on the shoulder when he came off, expect to see him in the starting 11 on tues.

31st October 2009, 20:53	#27 (permalink)
Spoony Youngblood Wants to be more like Top Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: RIP Sydney Youngblood, who died in a tragic go-karting accident in 2007. RIP my cat 2001-09. iRIP Steve Cunting Jobs Posts: 42,100	Ronaldo was voted player of the season by the fans in one of his first three seasons. He was inconsistent but he usually came strong in the latter of the season. Nani. . .just lacks a footballing brain - not that Ronaldo had one either.

31st October 2009, 20:56	#29 (permalink)
032Devil First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 19,229	Just to remind some of you, Ronaldo needed close to three seasons before he came good. Nani is steadily improving. He's trying hard and I felt for him when he was subbed - as did the United staff.

31st October 2009, 20:56	#30 (permalink)
anything about now MUFC lad living in a matriel world Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Has an air of inevitibility about it. Fuck - Guz-kop on rawk @ Utd 2-2 Villa Posts: 5,955	I think the problem with Nani is his unpredictability. He can be one of the most unpredictable players in the world, because he even keeps his teammates second-guessing. The reason for this is perhaps because he never thinks ahead, everything he does when he has the ball, seems to be a spur of the moment thing. Like he has no control over his body, that might explain the seemingly random crosses and passes that baffled Rooney and Berbatov. I can't understand what he's doing in training. He has the abilities and the technique, but he plays like he still hasn't gelled with the team at all. Strangely enough he plays a lot better for Portugal, more confident as well.

31st October 2009, 20:57	#33 (permalink)
CheadleBeagle Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Only in Canada. Pity! Posts: 1,859	To be honest I thought Obertan has showed more potential in his 2 appearances than Nani has. I think Obertan will go ahead of Nani but Nani will be a good backup if he wants to stay. Anyone notice how annoyed Nani looked to be subbed.

31st October 2009, 20:58	#35 (permalink)
Zen86 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: its a nice day for a.. white wedding Posts: 4,311	He's had alot of chances already, he's not going to suddenly develop any kind of footballing intelligence.

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Tumbling-Dice Caf Nostradamus Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Roy Keane has five kids, partly because of his Irish Catholic background, and partly because someone told him that Patrick Vieira has four. Posts: 18,813	Rooney was shocking today for the first 60-70 minutes yet people get on Nani's back. Even Chimbonda was doing it. I'll get my coat.

31st October 2009, 20:59	#38 (permalink)
amolbhatia100 Has excellent taste in women Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: india Posts: 26,428	Oh well, that's that then. I guess we should let him know now. It's only fair. And can we stop comparing Nani's first few years with Ronaldo's? Ronaldo was even then one of the best wingers in the league and often the best. Completely different levels the two of them.