Next Man Utd Manager Expected To Be Jose Mourinho Or David Moyes

Niall · 5th November 2010, 12:23

Despite Wayne Rooney signing a new contract and Man Utd's on field performances also improving recently, it still looks as though Sir Alex Ferguson still only has a season or two left. That raises the big question, who will be the Next Man Utd Manager?

It will seem weird when Man Utd do finally need a new manager, whilst most clubs look for a new manager every season or two these days, it was actually 1986 when the Man Utd board appointed their most recent manager. It will take a brave man to step into Fergie?s shoes and it looks as though the man for the job could be Jose Mourinho.

Not many would have predicted it when the former Porto boss ran down the line at Old Trafford to celebrate knocking Man Utd out of the Champions League in 2004 but he is the favourite according to Next Man Utd Manager Betting Odds. The bookies agree he is a favourite but disagree on how certain he is, his current odds to replace Ferguson range from 11/8 to 7/2. If Ferguson leaves at the end of next season that gives Mourinho two years at Real Madrid and would fit in nicely for a return to the Premiership, if Ferguson was to leave at the end of this season then Man Utd would surely have to look elsewhere.

The most likely domestic appointments appear to be David Moyes and Martin O?Neill. Moyes has done a great job over the years at Everton but he may feel he has taken the Toffees as far as he can without significant investment in the squad, he deserves a job like this although all Man Utd fans may not be thrilled by the appointment. Martin O?Neill was favourite until about a year ago but he never quite delivered at Aston Villa and he is another who would divide opinion, the bookies think David Moyes is the more likely of the two.

There are of course a whole host of former players who are also being linked, France manager Laurent Blanc is the fourth favourite with the bookies, ahead of Mark Hughes who may have blotted his copybook by managing Man City. Other involved in the betting include Steve Bruce, Paul Ince, Gary Neville and Eric Cantona! Click here for more premiership tips

Sparky_Hughes · 5th November 2010, 12:25

Moyes everytime for me.

esmufc12 · 5th November 2010, 12:27

Please not Moyes.

stubie1234 · 5th November 2010, 12:28

Only person (Mourinho) with the ego & success to succeed Fergie

Drifter · 5th November 2010, 12:31

Out of the two Mourinho ticks all the boxes.But why another thread.

eric le roi · 5th November 2010, 12:32

Mourinho for me. Of all the rest, only Larry White fills me with any confidence at all.

jdmufc · 5th November 2010, 12:32

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Blair · 5th November 2010, 12:37

Jose.

No other manager on the planet is good enough for our club.

Sparky_Hughes · 5th November 2010, 12:42

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Originally Posted by Blair

Jose.

No other manager on the planet Thinks he is bigger than our club.

Fixed

Ixion · 5th November 2010, 12:47

I'd be happy with Moyes or O'Neill.

fredthered · 5th November 2010, 12:49

Moyes will never work with Rooney again.

Fact.

Pogue Mahone · 5th November 2010, 12:55

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Originally Posted by fredthered

Moyes will never work with Rooney again.

Fact.

Fact?

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Yet Moyes, whose emergence as a candidate to succeed Ferguson when he retires at United could lead to him managing Rooney again, insists that any enmity between the two has evaporated. Moyes said: "Wayne phoned me a year ago to apologise for his book and to say that the things he'd put in it were wrong and that he had made a mistake.

"I had to give him a lot of credit for that. For me, it showed his maturity and he thanked us for the help that had been given to him at Everton.
"The court case had been won anyway, so it was over as far as I was concerned, but I said to him: 'No problem, that's fine. It just shows the maturity and where you're coming to.'

"I got the impression it was something Wayne wanted to do, rather than someone suggesting it to him. It came across that he wanted to make the call and set things straight between us and I appreciated that. The maturity has come from the people around him as well, but also from the boy.

"Now he is the one who is sorting out the young players at United. Anyone who's stepping out of line, not doing it right, he's the one who's looking after them. Everybody gets a bit older and wiser." Moyes, who admits that Rooney's emergence came "three or four years too early" for Everton, has been credited with setting the player on the road to stardom and the position he now holds at United. The Scot predicts Rooney will become the best in the world in his late twenties, but he insists that his development is down the player more than anybody else.

Moyes said: "Nobody can take credit for Wayne's development. He is the last of the street players that used to be the rage when you go back to all the greats. "You can see that in his physique, in his development, in his all-round football play. He had the potential to be a good player when he was here, but he's now turned into that good player and he is getting better and better.
"He could be one of the best in the world. I don't think that's the situation just now, but I think he's very close because he's beginning to show a maturity to his game, as a player and a person.

"I would welcome him back to Everton. We move on and, maybe some day, maybe at the end of Wayne's career, he might want to come back to play for Everton again. Who knows?

Twigginater · 5th November 2010, 12:55

Blanc for me.

The biggest problem for Mourinho is that he's never stayed at one club long enough. he might do it at United, but is he good enough.

After he failed in his last year at Chelsea, the squad went through a period of being pretty shite. It took another three managers to win the league with all that money spent, and all the signings he made. At Inter he left Rafa an aging side after the team spent millions.

Leg-End · 5th November 2010, 12:57

Would people really be happy with David Moyes taking over? I know he could quite easily come in and do a brilliant job but we must surely go for someone with a winners record at the highest level and that ultimately leads to Mourinho's door like it or not.

Pogue Mahone · 5th November 2010, 13:00

This is a big season for Moyes. Granted he's running the club on a shoe-string but you can't keep using injuries as an excuse for under-performing and they've had a very poor start to the season. IMO really needs to bring Everton to the next level and mount a meaningful challenge for fourth to have any hope of being on the short-list at United. If they have a similar season to 09/10 again I don't think he should be in the running.

towcester_red · 5th November 2010, 13:03

Thing is Mourinho will get us another 3/4 years maximum of success, which is all great but then he will move on, taking us back to square one.

Id go for someone who would be more interested in the long term of the club.

Sparky_Hughes · 5th November 2010, 13:04

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Originally Posted by fredthered

Moyes will never work with Rooney again.

Fact.

Now there are TWO reasons I want moyes

Blair · 5th November 2010, 13:06

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Originally Posted by towcester_red

Thing is Mourinho will get us another 3/4 years maximum of success, which is all great but then he will move on, taking us back to square one.

Id go for someone who would be more interested in the long term of the club.

To where? He's done the biggest club in Spain, the biggest club in Italy, the biggest club in his home counrty, then the biggest club in England (us, if it happens). Where would he go after that? The German league? Portugal manager?

Dyslexic Untied · 5th November 2010, 13:07

Mourinho is the only option as far as I'm concerned.

The manager we have after Ferguson will in many ways be the most important ever. He'll have to cope with City and Chelsea spending huge, us being heavily in debt, enormous pressure from fans, Ferguson himself in the shadows and Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Ferdinand and VDS all leaving in a short period of time.

IMO we can not afford to gamble, and Mourinho is the only real winner out there. Questions are being asked about his youth policy, his loyalty over time and his way of football. IMO he will relish the opportunity to prove all the doubters wrong in these questions and I do think he can adapt.

I personally can't for the life of me see why anyone would choose Moyes over Mourinho to be fair.

esmufc12 · 5th November 2010, 13:07

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Originally Posted by towcester_red

Thing is Mourinho will get us another 3/4 years maximum of success, which is all great but then he will move on, taking us back to square one.

Id go for someone who would be more interested in the long term of the club.

About his task at Real Madrid, Mourinho said that he expected to be ordered to win a number of trophies in a short span of time:

“I want to engineer the concept of football with the first team. It’s easy: a club says what to do in the next four years, what direction to take, what the priorities are – the club has the option of asking me for La Liga, the Copa Del Rey, and the Champions League. I can dictate the short-term priorities. In terms of the long-term, if the club wants me to prepare a structure and a plan that will work once I leave; I can do that as well.”

I hear this argument quite a lot to be honest. There's no reason to suggest his next job in England will be a short term one, where would he go after 3 or 4 years at United? He won't go back to Italy, he's said he wouldn't manage Barcelona, and he's said he wants to manage Portugal when he's around 60. It's reasonable to assume his next job in England will be a long term one.

But, even if he did come in and bring 3 or 4 years success here, if he left the club in good shape and left, I don't really see a problem with that either. Whoever we get in probably won't even stay 10 years, never mind 24/25/26 or whenever Fergie decides to leave. Sir Alex is a one off, to stay at one of the world's biggest clubs as long as he has is unheard of really.

Dyslexic Untied · 5th November 2010, 13:08

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Originally Posted by Blair

To where? He's done the biggest club in Spain, the biggest club in Italy, the biggest club in his home counrty, then the biggest club in England (us, if it happens). Where would he go after that? The German league? Portugal manager?

Most likely option, but the two could be combined I think.

Raoul · 5th November 2010, 13:09

I agree with Niall's OP. Mourinho seems to be the choice of most.

Pogue Mahone · 5th November 2010, 13:11

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Originally Posted by esmufc10

About his task at Real Madrid, Mourinho said that he expected to be ordered to win a number of trophies in a short span of time:

“I want to engineer the concept of football with the first team. It’s easy: a club says what to do in the next four years, what direction to take, what the priorities are – the club has the option of asking me for La Liga, the Copa Del Rey, and the Champions League. I can dictate the short-term priorities. In terms of the long-term, if the club wants me to prepare a structure and a plan that will work once I leave; I can do that as well.”

I hear this argument quite a lot to be honest. There's no reason to suggest his next job in England will be a short term one, where would he go after 3 or 4 years at United? He won't go back to Italy, he's said he wouldn't manage Barcelona, and he's said he wants to manage Portugal when he's around 60. It's reasonable to assume his next job in England will be a long term one.

But, even if he did come in and bring 3 or 4 years success here, if he left the club in good shape and left, I don't really see a problem with that either. Whoever we get in probably won't even stay 10 years, never mind 24/25/26 or whenever Fergie decides to leave. Sir Alex is a one off, to stay at one of the world's biggest clubs as long as he has is unheard of really.

Wenger's been at Arsenal 14 years and counting.

I don't think anyone expects our next manager to stay here for a quarter of a century but I, for one, hope they will provide the same sort of long-term commitment to the club that Wenger did to Arsenal.

Dyslexic Untied · 5th November 2010, 13:12

For the record, I think it could very well be five or six years before Ferguson quits.

cw1984 · 5th November 2010, 13:12

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

This is a big season for Moyes. Granted he's running the club on a shoe-string but you can't keep using injuries as an excuse for under-performing and they've had a very poor start to the season. IMO really needs to bring Everton to the next level and mount a meaningful challenge for fourth to have any hope of being on the short-list at United. If they have a similar season to 09/10 again I don't think he should be in the running.

That's really harsh imo Pogue. How much has he spent at Everton? It's very rare he ever gets cash to spend and is an unrealistic expectation for a club like that to genuinely challenge the likes of Spurs, City and even Liverpool (theoreticaly) for 4th place.

Pogue Mahone · 5th November 2010, 13:13

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Originally Posted by Dyslexic Untied

Most likely option, but the two could be combined I think.

I would hate for our next manager to also be in charge of a national team, especially the national team that one of our best players will be playing for. Talk about a conflict of interests!

cw1984 · 5th November 2010, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Dyslexic Untied

For the record, I think it could very well be five or six years before Ferguson quits.

Really? I'd be very surprised. I think another 2 seasons after this 1 would be the absolute maximum.

I do think he wants to win number 19 but we (and he) need to consider the fact that health may not let him. He's gettin on now you know....

Dyslexic Untied · 5th November 2010, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

I would hate for our next manager to also be in charge of a national team, especially the national team that one of our best players will be playing for. Talk about a conflict of interests!

Yeah, it's obviously not ideal, but it could be done I think.

esmufc12 · 5th November 2010, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Wenger's been at Arsenal 14 years and counting.

I don't think anyone expects our next manager to stay here for a quarter of a century but I, for one, hope they will provide the same sort of long-term commitment to the club that Wenger did to Arsenal.

Yeah but Wenger's not won a trophy for 5 years and has only really challenged for the Premier League once since 2004. As Mourinho has said, at bigger clubs there is more pressure to win trophies.

And I could see Mourinho staying at least 5/6 years if he did come. He was happy at Chelsea until Abramovich starting bringing in players and Directors of football against the wishes of the manager, after that he was never going to last long.

Pogue Mahone · 5th November 2010, 13:16

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Originally Posted by cw1984

That's really harsh imo Pogue. How much has he spent at Everton? It's very rare he ever gets cash to spend and is an unrealistic expectation for a club like that to genuinely challenge the likes of Spurs, City and even Liverpool (theoreticaly) for 4th place.

It's a very big ask but I think our next manager has to be someone truly exceptional. If you look what Fergie achieved with Aberdeen I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Moyes to achieve something similarly remarkable at Everton.

I'm not Mourinho's biggest fan but he has a record of fairly outstanding achievements as a manager. If Moyes wants to be considered alongside him it's time for him to prove he can also achieve something most people would think is un-achievable.

Twigginater · 5th November 2010, 13:19

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

It's a very big ask but I think our next manager has to be someone truly exceptional. If you look what Fergie achieved with Aberdeen I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Moyes to achieve something similarly remarkable at Everton.

Like Blanc winning Ligue Un?

Randall Flagg · 5th November 2010, 13:21

I think Jose would be the most of our 1st choices.

But cannot understand why so many would be against the idea of David Moyes. Also cannot understand why Blanc would be further up than Moyes on peoples wish lists.

Then again I dont think Harry Redknapp would be the worst choice in the world so what do I know

Twigginater · 5th November 2010, 13:22

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Originally Posted by Randall Flagg

I think Jose would be the most of our 1st choices.

But cannot understand why so many would be against the idea of David Moyes. Also cannot understand why Blanc would be further up than Moyes on peoples wish lists.

Then again I dont think Harry Redknapp would be the worst choice in the world so what do I know

Blanc has played for us, won a title in a big league with a poorish squad and done well in Champions League.

Dyslexic Untied · 5th November 2010, 13:22

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Originally Posted by cw1984

Really? I'd be very surprised. I think another 2 seasons after this 1 would be the absolute maximum.

I do think he wants to win number 19 but we (and he) need to consider the fact that health may not let him. He's gettin on now you know....

Health provided obviously.

But yeah, I do think we could be in for a surprise. Doesn't look even close to quitting atm.

esmufc12 · 5th November 2010, 13:22

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Originally Posted by Twigginater

Like Blanc winning Ligue Un?

It was a very good achievement but he didn't follow it up a season later, in fact they did quite poor, turning a 10 or so point lead into a 14 point deficit.

Mourinho followed his European double up at Porto with another European double.

Pogue Mahone · 5th November 2010, 13:23

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Originally Posted by Twigginater

Like Blanc winning Ligue Un?

Yeah, Larry White would be on my short-list.

Twigginater · 5th November 2010, 13:24

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Originally Posted by esmufc10

It was a very good achievement but he didn't follow it up a season later, in fact they did quite poor, turning a 10 or so point lead into a 14 point deficit.

Mourinho followed his European double up at Porto with another European double.

How many points did Mourinho throw away last year after being top of Serie A by about 10 points at Christmas?

Edit: Don't mean to be a dick, I genuinely know it's a few, not sure how much.

Pogue Mahone · 5th November 2010, 13:25

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Originally Posted by esmufc10

It was a very good achievement but he didn't follow it up a season later, in fact they did quite poor, turning a 10 or so point lead into a 14 point deficit.

Mourinho followed his European double up at Porto with another European double.

Que?

You're not saying the Carling fecking cup is one half of a "European double", surely?

Randall Flagg · 5th November 2010, 13:25

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

It's a very big ask but I think our next manager has to be someone truly exceptional. If you look what Fergie achieved with Aberdeen I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Moyes to achieve something similarly remarkable at Everton.

I'm not Mourinho's biggest fan but he has a record of fairly outstanding achievements as a manager. If Moyes wants to be considered alongside him it's time for him to prove he can also achieve something most people would think is un-achievable.

I cannot think of many (realistically) available managers with the remarkable record you think we require. I am not saying your criteria is incorrect. But finding that man will not be easy

I still don’t know why Jose can be considered realistic. He is 4 months into his career with Madrid and if he is successful he will be there at least 4 years. We will need someone in place in most likely 18 months

Raoul · 5th November 2010, 13:25

I don't understand why Moyes keeps getting mentioned on these shortlists...other than being Scottish and playing into the fantasies that he may become another Fergie, despite not really having displayed a Fergie-esque winning record so far.

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Niall Fallible Super Being Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Dublin Posts: 7,171	Next Man Utd Manager Expected To Be Jose Mourinho Or David Moyes Despite Wayne Rooney signing a new contract and Man Utd's on field performances also improving recently, it still looks as though Sir Alex Ferguson still only has a season or two left. That raises the big question, who will be the Next Man Utd Manager? It will seem weird when Man Utd do finally need a new manager, whilst most clubs look for a new manager every season or two these days, it was actually 1986 when the Man Utd board appointed their most recent manager. It will take a brave man to step into Fergie?s shoes and it looks as though the man for the job could be Jose Mourinho. Not many would have predicted it when the former Porto boss ran down the line at Old Trafford to celebrate knocking Man Utd out of the Champions League in 2004 but he is the favourite according to Next Man Utd Manager Betting Odds. The bookies agree he is a favourite but disagree on how certain he is, his current odds to replace Ferguson range from 11/8 to 7/2. If Ferguson leaves at the end of next season that gives Mourinho two years at Real Madrid and would fit in nicely for a return to the Premiership, if Ferguson was to leave at the end of this season then Man Utd would surely have to look elsewhere. The most likely domestic appointments appear to be David Moyes and Martin O?Neill. Moyes has done a great job over the years at Everton but he may feel he has taken the Toffees as far as he can without significant investment in the squad, he deserves a job like this although all Man Utd fans may not be thrilled by the appointment. Martin O?Neill was favourite until about a year ago but he never quite delivered at Aston Villa and he is another who would divide opinion, the bookies think David Moyes is the more likely of the two. There are of course a whole host of former players who are also being linked, France manager Laurent Blanc is the fourth favourite with the bookies, ahead of Mark Hughes who may have blotted his copybook by managing Man City. Other involved in the betting include Steve Bruce, Paul Ince, Gary Neville and Eric Cantona! Click here for more premiership tips

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5th November 2010, 12:25	#2 (permalink)
Sparky_Hughes Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: knee deep in the despair of others and loving it Posts: 4,307	Moyes everytime for me.

5th November 2010, 12:27	#3 (permalink)
esmufc12 Unclean Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,415	Please not Moyes.

5th November 2010, 12:28	#4 (permalink)
stubie1234 First Team Sub Join Date: May 2009 Location: a font of misplaced rage Posts: 6,498	Only person (Mourinho) with the ego & success to succeed Fergie

5th November 2010, 12:31	#5 (permalink)
Drifter First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 29,372	Out of the two Mourinho ticks all the boxes.But why another thread.

5th November 2010, 12:32	#6 (permalink)
eric le roi Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,201	Mourinho for me. Of all the rest, only Larry White fills me with any confidence at all.

5th November 2010, 12:37	#8 (permalink)
Blair Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,983	Jose. No other manager on the planet is good enough for our club.

5th November 2010, 12:47	#10 (permalink)
Ixion First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,839	I'd be happy with Moyes or O'Neill.

5th November 2010, 12:49	#11 (permalink)
fredthered I want Peter Kenyon back Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK Posts: 17,985	Moyes will never work with Rooney again. Fact.

5th November 2010, 12:55	#13 (permalink)
Twigginater WUM Alert! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Obertans #1 fan. Posts: 5,035	Blanc for me. The biggest problem for Mourinho is that he's never stayed at one club long enough. he might do it at United, but is he good enough. After he failed in his last year at Chelsea, the squad went through a period of being pretty shite. It took another three managers to win the league with all that money spent, and all the signings he made. At Inter he left Rafa an aging side after the team spent millions.

5th November 2010, 12:57	#14 (permalink)
Leg-End First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: "SAF - you're an old dick - but I respect you." Posts: 8,108	Would people really be happy with David Moyes taking over? I know he could quite easily come in and do a brilliant job but we must surely go for someone with a winners record at the highest level and that ultimately leads to Mourinho's door like it or not.

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Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "like a man in silk pyjamas shooting pigeons from a deckchair" Posts: 56,948	This is a big season for Moyes. Granted he's running the club on a shoe-string but you can't keep using injuries as an excuse for under-performing and they've had a very poor start to the season. IMO really needs to bring Everton to the next level and mount a meaningful challenge for fourth to have any hope of being on the short-list at United. If they have a similar season to 09/10 again I don't think he should be in the running.

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towcester_red Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: wayne rooney wonderland Posts: 3,616	Thing is Mourinho will get us another 3/4 years maximum of success, which is all great but then he will move on, taking us back to square one. Id go for someone who would be more interested in the long term of the club.

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Dyslexic Untied First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,570	Mourinho is the only option as far as I'm concerned. The manager we have after Ferguson will in many ways be the most important ever. He'll have to cope with City and Chelsea spending huge, us being heavily in debt, enormous pressure from fans, Ferguson himself in the shadows and Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Ferdinand and VDS all leaving in a short period of time. IMO we can not afford to gamble, and Mourinho is the only real winner out there. Questions are being asked about his youth policy, his loyalty over time and his way of football. IMO he will relish the opportunity to prove all the doubters wrong in these questions and I do think he can adapt. I personally can't for the life of me see why anyone would choose Moyes over Mourinho to be fair.

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Raoul Administrator Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Budapest Posts: 38,026	I agree with Niall's OP. Mourinho seems to be the choice of most.

5th November 2010, 13:12	#24 (permalink)
Dyslexic Untied First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,570	For the record, I think it could very well be five or six years before Ferguson quits.

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Randall Flagg Scarlett woman ( Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn ) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 14,562	I think Jose would be the most of our 1st choices. But cannot understand why so many would be against the idea of David Moyes. Also cannot understand why Blanc would be further up than Moyes on peoples wish lists. Then again I dont think Harry Redknapp would be the worst choice in the world so what do I know

5th November 2010, 13:25	#40 (permalink)
Raoul Administrator Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Budapest Posts: 38,026	I don't understand why Moyes keeps getting mentioned on these shortlists...other than being Scottish and playing into the fantasies that he may become another Fergie, despite not really having displayed a Fergie-esque winning record so far.