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Phil

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Chris H

You're joking, right?

Jebus.

Drifter

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"I'm not going to put myself in the market," Queiroz continued. "Because the decision on the national coach should not be a result of those who make themselves candidates, but a decision that is conscious, rational and based on what the Federation judges [believe] is necessary for the team.

"I'm not going to tell you whether or not I'm contacted, that way I know for sure that it will be dealt with in due form and in due place."

BillyBob

This seems a very mature approach and I take it to mean CQ ain't leaving us. McClaren for Portugal.

Denis' cuff

...and moronic rumours

they'll both be here next season. As the saying goes, he isn't going to "dignify the silly rumours with a response"

oh, and it's "a holiday"

Denis' cuff

Jebus? Is that a player? A bus?

Richter

It's Jesus official tour bus.

Chris H

Sorry, Simpsons reference. Homer somehow finds himself on a plane to a remote Pacific Island, where everyone else on board will become a missionary for Christianity. Since he is on board, he is expected to join their cause. At which point he says something like, "Missionary? ME? I don't even know Jebus!"

Anyway, for many American speakers of English, it is sometimes employed as a sarcastic exclamation of incredulity, typically in response to the folly of others' words or actions.

Helpful? One would hope.

Tumbling-Dice

BillyBob

Mormon.

devilish

We just won the CL and the EPL with a Portuguese winger scoring 45 goals. I guess that's not bad isnt it? Do you think we would achieve that with Downing instead of Ronaldo, Pennant instead of Nani, Crouch instead of Tevez and Reo Coker instead of Anderson?

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Assistants are assistants. Experience is not really a basic requirement.

devilish

So you think that SAF appointed Queiroz (twice) because he loved his butt?

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

I'm not you
Anyway on a more serious note, it was simply because he was the best man for the job. Before Carlos became available again the second time Fergie tried to get Jol before Totenham got him. We both know Jol wasn't that experienced as comapred to Carlos. But Fergie dimmed him good enough at the time. Till Fergie has a look at a Cantona we will never know if Fergie sees him as good enough. Because being an assistant is more than just experienced. The personality of the person and his natural coaching/leadership abilities matter a hell lot more.

BaldwinLegend

Are you making this shit up? Have you coached at the top end of the Premiership?

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Why must you always display a penchant for posting irrelevant shit?

Count Duckula

To be honest I could have told you that.

If I said natural ability and drive were more important than experience when it comes to being a striker, then I doubt you'd argue with that.

devilish

SAF brought Queroz because he was an experienced coach capable of taking many areas of his work in his hand and do the work well. If the job wasnt important then he would have left it in Phelan's hand but he didnt do so. Jol had managed 4 clubs before joining Spurs one of which won the Dutch cup. You cant compare Cantona with him.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Terry Phelan didn't get the job because he wasn't good enough. He was tried before Fergie brought in Walter Smith and did very little.

Why not? His experience in comparison to Carlos was minimal. Yet he was considered a very good replacement. Having managed a mare 3 amateur Clubs and a mid level Dutch side.

Look at McClaren for example. He hadn't even managed a single club. He was an assistant at Hull City then Derby County. Then Fergie brought him here. I dare you to tell me how he couldn't manage. If he could do it. I fail to see why Cantona can't. Especially if he possess the natural coaching ability, the way great footballers like Beckenbauer have displayed in the past.

devilish

Phelan had been working within the coaching ranks for years and yet he failed. So did Ryan before him. I admit that its an easier job than that of a manager but its not as easy as you are potraying it to be. Nowadays you just have to have managerial or at least high level coaching experience to do this job at OT, something Cantona doesnt have.

His experience may look minimal compared to Carlos but he did had loads of experience which included avoiding sure relegation with Waalwijk (where he stayed there for 4 yrs) and winning the Dutch cup with Roda (2 years). 6 years of experience at managerial level.

Cantona had been away from football since 1997. He has no experience at managerial or even coaching level. We need better then that.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

I haven't said it's easier. All I've said is bottom line it's a job for assisting. An apprenticeship if you like. No matter how you look at it. It's very rare assistants succeed their superiors. Furthermore I just said experience is not paramount for that job. Natural talent is. That is how a Mclaren could get the assistant job at United with little top flight experience, without flopping while a Jim Ryan and Phelan with all their experience flopped miserably.

No way. McClaren was plucked form obscurity and did a stellar job for us. At assisting. Granted experience is good. But IMO it's just a bonus. Natural ability matters a hell lot more. A man like Carlos has it in spades. Along with the experience which makes him special.

[quote=devilish;4811936]His experience may look minimal compared to Carlos but he did had loads of experience which included avoiding sure relegation with Waalwijk (where he stayed there for 4 yrs) and winning the Dutch cup with Roda (2 years). 6 years of experience at managerial level. v Mclaren had an even worse CV. Yet eh was superb here.

I am not convinced at all! If Cantona has the natural ability of a good coach/manager. He would be more than ideal a candidate in Fergie's eyes if a Carlos ever left. Of this I have no doubt.

Because, seriously, if men like Keane and Southgate could jump straight from football into managing Premiership clubs with decent results. I fail to see how being an assistant would be so hard for a Cantona if he has the outstanding ability required for such a job.

Drifter

Carlos Queiroz has played down speculation about his future by declaring that he is happy at Manchester United.

Sir Alex Ferguson's assistant has been tipped to succeed Luiz Felipe Scolari as Portugal manager, while he has also been linked with a number of clubs including Benfica.

Queiroz accepts that nothing is ever a sure thing in football but he expects to continue in his current role for some time.

"I've been in the game too long to plan with any certainty beyond today," he said in the Daily Express.

"But in all likelihood I will be in South Africa next month with United for their pre-season tour."

Ferguson has spoken of Queiroz as a possible candidate for the top job at United and Queiroz is proud to be regarded so highly.

However, he believes it is far too early for him to start thinking about taking the reins from Ferguson.

He added: "I take nothing for granted. Sir Alex will be around for the next two or three seasons and a lot can happen in football in that time."

Dog eat dog

Queiroz has also hit out at Real Madrid as they attempt to prise Cristiano Ronaldo away from Old Trafford.

The Portuguese winger has a long-term deal at United but Queiroz accepts that is no guarantee of him staying.

"Contracts are becoming meaningless in football, for players and managers," he said.

"It is a now often a case of dog eat dog."

devilish

The assistant manager's role had started as an apprenticeship job but it had developed throughout the years into something much more complex. SAF himself had stated that Queroz is more then an assistant manager for him and tend to help him in areas where the Scot confess that he is a 'dinosaur' at. I cant see how a former player, with no experience in coaching and who had abandoned football 11 yrs ago can do the jobs where Ferguson feels weak in expecially considering that we had former coaches who tried to do so and failed miserably.

Regarding our former players, with all due respect but its one think leading a small side with no ambitions at all and its another being the second in command of one of the biggest sides in Europe. Not to forget also that the one who was tipped as the most promising from the bunch (Robson) had failed miserably so there is no way to assess the true quality of these guys unless they are first tested. Something that cannot be done at OT.

Chris H

Some Assistants do more than others. I cannot prove it, but I strongly suspect that Carlos Queiroz is about 100 times more influential than, say, Sammy Lee and Chris Hutchings were. Although I don't know if he'd be a good manager at United when Sir Alex leaves - maybe he would and maybe he wouldn't.

But to imply that Cantona could adequately replace Queiroz, based on the strength and suitability of his personality, is nonsense.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

That is because you have assumed because a Cantona has not been in proffesional football for 11 years he has been learning absolutely nothing related to football since. Yet knowing how Cantona loved football that is an impossibility. You are basically assuming that he would be green to the current trends in football. Which is hilarious.

Anyway the assistant managers role is still largely an apprenticeship, period! People like Fergie giving men like Carlos extra responsibilities near to the level of being co-managers doesn't change that fact. Its only in rare cases when a Walter Smith becomes an assistant that it its becomes a different thing. But mostly its just a grooming role for potential managers and you don't need experience to be groomed.

With all due respect thats bollocks. You will not convince anyone that being an assistant at United is harder than managing a side like Blackburn. Because it most certainly isn't. You are clearly under estimating what managers actually do.

A Robson failed because he failed. It happens. To assume all will fail is a fallacy. Especially when one obscure McClaren came here as a harldy known coach and was a