Our two penalties

puNANI

Firstly, I'm ecstatic with the come back. A lot of debate from the Chelsea fans over the two penalties we got.

First one yes. Second one debatable but a bit similar to the time that Zhirkov fell over Smalling I think last year. Softer than that though and Welbeck went down easy. Thought Cahill should of been sent off in the first half as well after the clear cut penalty which was denied.

Thoughts?

Coca Cola

If Chelsea fans are complaining about the refereeing just remind them that they were lucky not to be down to ten men very early in the game.

CantonaVeron

They were both pens and Cahill was lucky to stay on the pitch first half when Welbeck was clean through.

R_Kelly

Both pens for me and we should have had another, possible two.

20solskjaer

Both pens, should have had the one in the first half too for the foul on welbeck

Close thread, no discussion needed

Sultan

Not even up for debate. Should have had one more penalty.

Plechazunga

First one was very soft

Second was 50-50, he left his foot in there, Welbeck tripped or dived over it, take your pick

The foul in the first half on Welbeck was a definite pen, and Luiz taking Evans out at the end was a probable pen.

Cheesy

The first one may appear soft to some, but if it's outside the box, then it's a free-kick, so I'd say that it was the correct decision.

The second one was quite soft though. Despite that, I'll take it, considering we were denied a stonewaller in the early stages of the match.

adexkola

First one stonewall, the second one wasn't a penalty. Welbeck 'tripped' over Ivanovic's withdrawn leg

Cina

Outside the box and Welbeck was running away from the goal. The one in the first half that should've been given was when Bosingwa tugged on Young's shirt.

FreakyJim

the second one wasn't a penalty for me but Cahil should've walked in the first half so chelsea fans and everyone else for that matter can fuck off

Snow

Ivanovic stretched himself out quite a bit in the 2nd pen and it was probably a right decision despite Welbeck really running into him.

I'm not sure about the first pen. Evra basically jumped in front of Sturridge. Looked like a player who had the ball was tackling the opposition.

Randall Flagg

Yeah I think they were both pens.... but neither was exactly stone wall pens.

Sunny Jim

Sorry guys i disagree.


Cahil- should've been sent off, true.

first- soft as fuck, but ok.
second - not a peno. Welbeck was searching for Inavoic's leg not the other way not the other way around.

Scrumpet

I don't think there is any doubt that both Evra and Welbeck played for them but that doesn't mean they weren't fouls. Correct decisions for me, and Chelsea fans can't really moan given the one in the first half that wasn't given.

R_Kelly

SAF is gonna get in trouble

puNANI

What did he say?

Cheesy

Criticising the officials. He's spot on, but of course you're not allowed to speak your mind at all in this league.

R_Kelly

Laid into the linesman, the same link gave pens against us from 45 yards away and yet he can't see that?! (the foul on Welbeck 1st half) Also said "I don't know where they get them from".

Need a video really

Vinay

I agree with your assessment of the penalties. I only half agree with you about Cahill's foul on Welbeck - it was a clear foul and red card, but it was not a penalty - the foul was outside the area...

Widnes

Fergie isn't allowed to speak his mind in this league, the other 19 managers are allowed to say what they want to justify their team not getting a result at Old Trafford.

cj4_elmo

Both very soft, not going to lie, I would have been furious if had been given against us.

Cahill should have been off though, which meant they'll hardly be in any position to attack us at all.

Roy

First one was an obvious penalty for me. Yes, Evra did well to get his foot and body before Sturridge and the latter kicked him. Clear cut penalty. Second one wasn't a dive for me, but a very, very soft penalty.

The one in the first half was as obvious a penalty as anything, and a red as well. The cameras showed Webb seeing it clearly, he really bottled that one.

CantonaVeron

I agree it was outside the box but imo it stopped a goal scoring opportunity so he should have walked.

antihenry

It's called diving.

Gazza

Crying into your milk tonight eh sport

Treble

the first - a clear pen
the second - no pen
Cahill should have been off for his foul vs Welbeck

cinc

The first one was a stonewall penalty, the second wasnt one at all.

But Cahill should have walked and Young's incident was another pen too.

SER19

both penalties. cahill should be off early on,ivanovic should be off for second yellow

MUFCgal

We should have had 3-4 penalties in the match. That is all.

The Neviller

Maybe so, but if he does then Villas Boas is in the shit too, for saying the ref was trying to even something up by giving the second penalty. Be interesting to see if the FA charge both, or neither.

Annihilate Now!

Both penalties for me. The first one Sturidge kicks Evras leg and he goes down... fairly straight forward. The second one, Ivanovic foot is out, and Danny is looking to run onto the ball... he's not looking at his foot, and in trying to run after the ball, he trips him, and it's a penalty.

You can say it's harsh on Ivanovic, as he obviously didn't mean to do it... but his leg is out there, and as such, it is a penalty.

K Stand Knut

Both definite penalties and I am shocked with how much the media are focussing on these rather than talking about the Cahill challenge in the first half.

The first - Sturridge kicked the back of Evra's heels. Contact, penalty!

The second - Ivanovic slid to make the challenge, backed out but in the same movement made contact with Welbeck. Simples!!!

Plechazunga

Not sure how people can call the first one 'stonewall'

It's not like he was on the ball and Sturridge tripped him. It had got a bit away from him, both players were going for it, and Evra jumped into the space in front of Sturridge as his foot was coming through and then fell over.

Not saying it wasn't a penalty... I thought it was a bit soft, but it's arguable. But one thing it wasn't was 'stonewall'.

gbgary

should have had three.

MDFC Manager

Was the first half incident outside the box?

vuc

First was a pen.

Second wasn't.

Cahill tackle was outside the box.

cinc

It was - Sturridge kicked the side of Evra's foot, its simple as that.

K Stand Knut

But a red card all the same

cinc

It started outside, yes.