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5th February 2012, 20:20
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5th February 2012, 20:28
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Don't really care for the post mortam on the validity. Just delighted Rooney got his balls back and slotted both away. Great he got the 'scoring' feeling after a few games out. We really need him to go on a scoring spree now
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5th February 2012, 20:36
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5th February 2012, 21:10
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5th February 2012, 21:22
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Welbeck's one is not a penalty though. He looks for it, and kicks his trailing leg into Ivanovic. However, Gary Cahill should've been sent off in the first half when clearly taking out Welbeck on the way through, and if Webb gives the second penalty, then no way can he avoid giving the Ivanovic the second yellow the foul merits? I mean, Welbeck has a decent scoring chance inside the box! So, all in all, poor match by Webb - both ways. |
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5th February 2012, 21:31
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Undoubtedly both were fairly soft.
However, the two in the first half were also decent shouts. All in all nothing was a shocker, and as Chelsea fans i don't blame them for being pissed about it, we would be too. |
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5th February 2012, 22:18
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The penalty given for the challenge on Welbeck was soft. I haven't read through the whole thread, but I'd imagine it's been pointed out that this one was almost a replica of the one won by Adam Johnson yesterday. Welbeck ensured there was contact by trailing a foot and falling over the challenge. As far as the two shouts in the first half were concerned, the tackle on Welbeck was outside the box (but should have at least resulted in a free-kick on the edge of the area) but the challenge on Young was a great shout for me; the defender not only pulled his shirt but caught Young's leg with his knee. |
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5th February 2012, 22:35
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I've heard many ex-players and AVB himself say it was a pen ... I'd be very interested to see how they viewed your take on it. |
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6th February 2012, 10:47
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6th February 2012, 11:52
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The Evra one was a definate penalty for me.
The 2nd one was technically also a penalty as there was clear contact. The only issue here is that the defender was trying to pull out of the tackle but Wellback made sure there was contact. I would have been quite upset (not with the ref but the striker) if this had happened against us. |
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6th February 2012, 12:32
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6th February 2012, 12:38
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Watching the game live I initially thought Welbeck's was a clear penalty. Watching replays I'd be non too happy if it was given against United. Seems it was more welbeck catching the defender.
Foul on Evra was clear. |
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6th February 2012, 12:40
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AFter seeing them both again, my opinions have changed slightly.
The first one is a definite. The ball is in Evra's possession and is actually at his feet (so hadn't ran away from him). He is fully within his right to shield the ball from Sturridge, who kicks his standing leg with more then enough force to send him down. It's a daft challenge from Sturridge and a clear penalty. The second is not as clear as I first thought, and probably isn't a penalty. Danny's conned me as well as the ref it seems, as I thought for all the world he was just moving nautrally onto the bal and hadn't even seen Ivanovic's trailing leg to trip over... however, when watching it cloesly, Welbeck's leg does move out ever so slightly so that it does make contact with Ivanovics foot (incredible when it appears that he doesn't even look for it once) and so on that basis I don't think it's a penalty. |
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6th February 2012, 13:22
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I don't give a fuck if they were or not. We've had some rotten luck down there over the years and it's about time something was given.
That was the first time we have got a penalty at either Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool since 1999. That is an incredible statistic. |
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6th February 2012, 23:44
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Graham Poll said that Cahill was a foul but outside the box. Young should have gotten a penalty when Bosingwa tugged his shirt but Bosingwa tugged him from behind and Young fell forward so that's why Webb didn't see the foul.
Evra was a clear penalty and he thought Welbeck made a meal out of the Ivanovic challenge and kind of conned the ref. He didn't state however it was the right or wrong call. |
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7th February 2012, 00:08
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And post 45 raises a good point about why Cahill's challenge should have been a penalty. The foul was both outside and inside the box. |
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7th February 2012, 00:10
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Technically, he could give the advantage for the first contact, then give the pen for the second contact as that what brought Welbeck down.
Either way a red card for me, and Plech, just shut up, the Evra one was cast iron. |
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7th February 2012, 03:31
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An example of one that was given was the penalty when Keane brought Joe Cole down in 2003. But in general refs seem to avoid giving them (rightly so IMO, even if not technically justified). |
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7th February 2012, 09:15
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Second one was very, very soft. I would not be happy if it was given against us. The first was a penalty, though. Besides that, we could have had another, as well as been one man up early in the game. All in all the ref didn't do us any favours.
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