Planning for next season

charlenefan · 14th May 2012, 00:29

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Originally Posted by Art

Martinez but the looks of things seems Barca bound mate.

Based on what? The fact that no one on here thinks we'll sign him because he's so good ergo he must be Barca/Real Madrid bound?

red2deadboy · 14th May 2012, 00:54

SAF has made is signings a week or so after season completes, so with that in mind we haven't got to long to realise we ain't getting in any worldclass talent. I am thinking a couple of players, an nobody costing over 15mill

Apparently no value in the market

charlenefan · 14th May 2012, 01:00

Well Euro 2012 kicks off on the 8th June, last summer Jones was signed on the 13th, Young was signed on the 23rd and De Gea was signed on the 29th with all 3 all but confirmed to sign several weeks beforehand so yeah it should be fairly apparent before the month is over who we're after and so far it looks like Clyne and Kagawa will be 2 of the possible 2 or 3 Fergie mentioned last weekend

Ramshock · 14th May 2012, 01:08

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Originally Posted by Tomuś

Get one or two world-class players, regroup and have a word.

then just go there and set the league on fire. Win both games against City and preferably completely destroy Newcastle and QPR on the way.

Been saying this for ages, two or three world class players and we will be on top again the problem of course is getting them.

bosnian_red · 14th May 2012, 01:10

Seeing as its the end of the season, it's a little weird that we haven't announced a pre season tour yet, or have I missed it? Do we have any games planned against anyone?

Baxter · 14th May 2012, 01:11

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Originally Posted by bosnian_red

Seeing as its the end of the season, it's a little weird that we haven't announced a pre season tour yet, or have I missed it? Do we have any games planned against anyone?

I read somewhere the far east. I'll look it up.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ason-tour.html

Confirmed date in Norway, with South Africa and China supposedly as well.

tintedsepia · 14th May 2012, 01:54

Shed loads of activicty over summer - mainly loans, though.

How I see it:-

In:-

Kagawa
Lucas/Gaitan/Hazard
LB - don't know who
Clyne
Powell?

Retire:-
M Owen?
Scholes?
Giggs?

Loan:
Any number of reserves
Fabio

Out:
Berbatov
Kusczak
Bebe
James
De Laet
Park?
Anderson?

Will surprise me if Scholes retires. Won't surprise me if Giggs retires. But again if they both stay around it won't surpirse me either. Their importance is showing the youngsters how to be and how to play under pressure.

In order to afford our transfers it will be important to get

Berbatov: 7m
Bebe: 3m
James 1m
De Laet 1m
Park 3m
Anderson 6m

We'd be trying to get around 15m in transfer fees. We get 25m per season anyway as per our business plan plus 25m for an ASTONISHING player who will be a world icon (not sure we've sourced that this year). We had 25m last year which we would have bought Sneijder with so I think we'll spend up to 60-65m. including incoming money from transfers.

Sir Matt · 14th May 2012, 02:08

Martinez, Muniain, and Kagawa. Just a bit hopeful...

sdb4884 · 14th May 2012, 02:11

Giggs is contracted until next season, can't see him pulling the plug. Scholes yes I think he will.

I hope Kagawa isn't our only major signing.

Devil may care · 14th May 2012, 02:47

Two central midfielders and a versatile attacker is what we need IMO.

On the attacker front Kagawa looks our best bet of getting someone good in, players like Hazard and Llorente are out of our range.

For the CM's I just don't know since we'll again be limited in options with players like Martinez and Herrera simply too expensive. Players like Strootman, Cabaye and Asamoah have been linked and seem within in our price range, can't honestly say if they are good enough though.

I don't know what the fullback plan is, I mean loaning out Fabio and buying a guy from the Championship who has no top flight experience to cover for Evra instead of playing Fabio more, seems odd to me.

sdb4884 · 14th May 2012, 03:34

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Originally Posted by Devil may care

Two central midfielders and a versatile attacker is what we need IMO.

On the attacker front Kagawa looks our best bet of getting someone good in, players like Hazard and Llorente are out of our range.

For the CM's I just don't know since we'll again be limited in options with players like Martinez and Herrera simply too expensive. Players like Strootman, Cabaye and Asamoah have been linked and seem within in our price range, can't honestly say if they are good enough though.

I don't know what the fullback plan is, I mean loaning out Fabio and buying a guy from the Championship who has no top flight experience to cover for Evra instead of playing Fabio more, seems odd to me.

Yeah we need someone to be able to challenge Evra for the spot, not learn on the job so to speak.

Theon · 14th May 2012, 03:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by tintedsepia

Shed loads of activicty over summer - mainly loans, though.

How I see it:-

In:-

Kagawa
Lucas/Gaitan/Hazard
LB - don't know who
Clyne
Powell?

Retire:-
M Owen?
Scholes?
Giggs?

Loan:
Any number of reserves
Fabio

Out:
Berbatov
Kusczak
Bebe
James
De Laet
Park?
Anderson?

Will surprise me if Scholes retires. Won't surprise me if Giggs retires. But again if they both stay around it won't surpirse me either. Their importance is showing the youngsters how to be and how to play under pressure.

In order to afford our transfers it will be important to get

Berbatov: 7m
Bebe: 3m
James 1m
De Laet 1m
Park 3m
Anderson 6m

We'd be trying to get around 15m in transfer fees. We get 25m per season anyway as per our business plan plus 25m for an ASTONISHING player who will be a world icon (not sure we've sourced that this year). We had 25m last year which we would have bought Sneijder with so I think we'll spend up to 60-65m. including incoming money from transfers.

Why would we get Kagawa and Hazard/Lucas? You want to sell Anderson but not buy a replacement?

Centre mid is our weakest area, but you want to spend out transfer budget on two more attackers. Okay.

Not only that, but you want to sell Anderson and also think that Scholes might retire. So next season our centre mid will be Carrick, Cleverly and.... Who? Fletch is ill and Giggs won't start a quarter of our games.

We need a centre mid not a winger, let alone two.

ghaliboy · 14th May 2012, 04:52

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Originally Posted by tintedsepia

Anderson 6m

What a fucking waste that would be. Surely as a squaddie you could get more out of him than offloading him for 6m.

Just inject some steel Saf for christ sakes. Doesn't even have to be first team steel. Just someone to free up Carrick and give him the space to move the ball as well as pass the ball.

Havak · 14th May 2012, 15:40

Players I expect to leave / have a realistic chance of leaving:

Permanent: Berbatov, Owen, Park, Anderson, Kuszczak, de Laet, Bébé, and Macheda

Loan: Fábio and lots of younger players

Fletcher, Scholes, and Giggs (along with Owen) have a realistic chance of retiring. But I think Owen would fight his injury woes for another season elsewhere and I reckon both Giggs and Scholes will stay. Giggs might go to the Olympics, while Scholes probably won't go to the Euros. This gives us a good chance to manage them well for the next season. Scholes can start the season, maybe take a mid-season break if we're doing well, and Giggs could come back in after having a rest early in the season. That way we can hopefully utilise Scholes in a good start and finish to the campaign. Fletcher is touch and go, I have the same illness so I know how bad / annoying it can be. I hope he manages to stay and play, but he might have to call it quits.

In regards to the players I think will go, I can still see Macheda and Bébé getting one more loan as a chance to prove themselves, but even then they could get sold in January instead of the Summer.

From the players leaving and all the loans, I think we can expect to bring in £20-30million, which should fund the signing of one top drawer midfield player. If Fletcher leaves, we'd need to sign at least one more midfield player, and I think we'd need a striker. I'd personally go for someone like Huntelaar, who might still be affordable at sub-£20million and will give us something I don't feel we have in the side at the moment. He also has a good amount of experience. Not sure who we really will sign in midfield, but I think we're going to have to spend £60million+ on three good players to compete on all fronts next season.

GK: Amos, de Gea, Lindegaard
DF: Evans, Evra, Ferdinand, (Fryers), Jones, Rafael, Smalling, Vidic
MF: Carrick, Cleverley, Fletcher, Giggs, Nani, Scholes, Valencia, Young
FW: Hernández, Rooney, Welbeck

Another three players gets us to a 25-man squad? Although I think it's possible that Amos, Fryers, Rafael, and/or Welbeck might not need registering. I haven't looked up their birthdates but it wouldn't make much difference anyway. I think we'll keep the above and sign two midfielders and one striker. Probably spend £65million~ but bring in about £25million from sales to take less of a hit.

Edit: Actually completely forgot Pogba. He could end up being sold, going on loan, or even being part of the first team. No idea yet, this might also depend on Fletcher.

Ramshock · 14th May 2012, 16:27

evra · 14th May 2012, 16:54

Hopefully we'll get most of our business out of the way before the Euros.

Commadus · 14th May 2012, 17:04

We are not getting any Bilbao players.

You can plan when you have an idea about resources.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 14th May 2012, 17:14

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Originally Posted by RyanGoggs

Now this season is over its best to look forward and try and work out how to get our Premier League back and become a dominant force in Europe. I'm sure Sir Alex has already looked into who to bring in and how to strategize a revival. What players do we realistically need and are able to bring in?

Obviously we need to stop over relying on the old guard of Giggs and Scholes and look to the future particularly in CM. Anderson is injured a lot, Cleverley is still a bit raw and Fletcher is a doubt. Lots of players have been linked such M'Villa, Modric, Strootman etc. Obviously availability and cost will factor in but someone along the lines of Modric would do wonders for us. A scheming midfielder who could almost perform the Silva role of quick passing around the area. Or M'Villa who could be our answer to Toure.

Also if we lose Berba and Owen we are a little light up front. Demba Ba would be a good signing but we could not guarantee him first team football which may be an issue.

Otherwise I think we are pretty well stocked in all areas except maybe leftback cover. The final area where we could use improvement would be in our tactical game. As an example we made a big error in the 6-1 City game where we attacked to the end. Also the way we threw away the win at Everton was, well criminal at this level. I can't help think if we could get someone like Queiroz back this would do wonders for our tactical prowess. That's not a hate on Phelan but Queiroz had such great tactical knowledge.

So what needs to change for us to mount a threat on all fronts next season?

Kagawa, Martinez and Hazard and we are sorted.

Realistically we'll probably just add Kagawa and a striker like Llorente then promote Tunnicilffe, Brady and Will Keane.

RedLars · 15th May 2012, 11:59

Almost certain Scholes staying on for another season means we won't buy a midfielder. I can see us getting Kagawa and a left-back (we need backup for Evra if Fabio's going out on loan). If Clyne fits that bill then that would probably be it at the back.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see us bring in striker as well, although it seems redundant as Kagawa if we are to use a system that plays to his strengths.

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14th May 2012, 00:54	#82 (permalink)
red2deadboy Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,782	SAF has made is signings a week or so after season completes, so with that in mind we haven't got to long to realise we ain't getting in any worldclass talent. I am thinking a couple of players, an nobody costing over 15mill Apparently no value in the market

14th May 2012, 01:00	#83 (permalink)
charlenefan First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 9,008	Well Euro 2012 kicks off on the 8th June, last summer Jones was signed on the 13th, Young was signed on the 23rd and De Gea was signed on the 29th with all 3 all but confirmed to sign several weeks beforehand so yeah it should be fairly apparent before the month is over who we're after and so far it looks like Clyne and Kagawa will be 2 of the possible 2 or 3 Fergie mentioned last weekend

14th May 2012, 01:10	#85 (permalink)
bosnian_red First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 5,959	Seeing as its the end of the season, it's a little weird that we haven't announced a pre season tour yet, or have I missed it? Do we have any games planned against anyone?

14th May 2012, 01:54	#87 (permalink)
tintedsepia Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,328	Shed loads of activicty over summer - mainly loans, though. How I see it:- In:- Kagawa Lucas/Gaitan/Hazard LB - don't know who Clyne Powell? Retire:- M Owen? Scholes? Giggs? Loan: Any number of reserves Fabio Out: Berbatov Kusczak Bebe James De Laet Park? Anderson? Will surprise me if Scholes retires. Won't surprise me if Giggs retires. But again if they both stay around it won't surpirse me either. Their importance is showing the youngsters how to be and how to play under pressure. In order to afford our transfers it will be important to get Berbatov: 7m Bebe: 3m James 1m De Laet 1m Park 3m Anderson 6m We'd be trying to get around 15m in transfer fees. We get 25m per season anyway as per our business plan plus 25m for an ASTONISHING player who will be a world icon (not sure we've sourced that this year). We had 25m last year which we would have bought Sneijder with so I think we'll spend up to 60-65m. including incoming money from transfers.

14th May 2012, 02:08	#88 (permalink)
Sir Matt First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LUHG Posts: 11,363	Martinez, Muniain, and Kagawa. Just a bit hopeful...

14th May 2012, 02:11	#89 (permalink)
sdb4884 Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 3,264	Giggs is contracted until next season, can't see him pulling the plug. Scholes yes I think he will. I hope Kagawa isn't our only major signing.

14th May 2012, 02:47	#90 (permalink)
Devil may care First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6,714	Two central midfielders and a versatile attacker is what we need IMO. On the attacker front Kagawa looks our best bet of getting someone good in, players like Hazard and Llorente are out of our range. For the CM's I just don't know since we'll again be limited in options with players like Martinez and Herrera simply too expensive. Players like Strootman, Cabaye and Asamoah have been linked and seem within in our price range, can't honestly say if they are good enough though. I don't know what the fullback plan is, I mean loaning out Fabio and buying a guy from the Championship who has no top flight experience to cover for Evra instead of playing Fabio more, seems odd to me.

14th May 2012, 15:40	#94 (permalink)
Havak Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Salford, Manchester Posts: 3,076	Players I expect to leave / have a realistic chance of leaving: Permanent: Berbatov, Owen, Park, Anderson, Kuszczak, de Laet, Bébé, and Macheda Loan: Fábio and lots of younger players Fletcher, Scholes, and Giggs (along with Owen) have a realistic chance of retiring. But I think Owen would fight his injury woes for another season elsewhere and I reckon both Giggs and Scholes will stay. Giggs might go to the Olympics, while Scholes probably won't go to the Euros. This gives us a good chance to manage them well for the next season. Scholes can start the season, maybe take a mid-season break if we're doing well, and Giggs could come back in after having a rest early in the season. That way we can hopefully utilise Scholes in a good start and finish to the campaign. Fletcher is touch and go, I have the same illness so I know how bad / annoying it can be. I hope he manages to stay and play, but he might have to call it quits. In regards to the players I think will go, I can still see Macheda and Bébé getting one more loan as a chance to prove themselves, but even then they could get sold in January instead of the Summer. From the players leaving and all the loans, I think we can expect to bring in £20-30million, which should fund the signing of one top drawer midfield player. If Fletcher leaves, we'd need to sign at least one more midfield player, and I think we'd need a striker. I'd personally go for someone like Huntelaar, who might still be affordable at sub-£20million and will give us something I don't feel we have in the side at the moment. He also has a good amount of experience. Not sure who we really will sign in midfield, but I think we're going to have to spend £60million+ on three good players to compete on all fronts next season. GK: Amos, de Gea, Lindegaard DF: Evans, Evra, Ferdinand, (Fryers), Jones, Rafael, Smalling, Vidic MF: Carrick, Cleverley, Fletcher, Giggs, Nani, Scholes, Valencia, Young FW: Hernández, Rooney, Welbeck Another three players gets us to a 25-man squad? Although I think it's possible that Amos, Fryers, Rafael, and/or Welbeck might not need registering. I haven't looked up their birthdates but it wouldn't make much difference anyway. I think we'll keep the above and sign two midfielders and one striker. Probably spend £65million~ but bring in about £25million from sales to take less of a hit. Edit: Actually completely forgot Pogba. He could end up being sold, going on loan, or even being part of the first team. No idea yet, this might also depend on Fletcher.

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evra First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right. Posts: 9,108	Hopefully we'll get most of our business out of the way before the Euros.

14th May 2012, 17:04	#97 (permalink)
Commadus First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 8,783	We are not getting any Bilbao players. You can plan when you have an idea about resources.

15th May 2012, 11:59	#99 (permalink)
RedLars Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,745	Almost certain Scholes staying on for another season means we won't buy a midfielder. I can see us getting Kagawa and a left-back (we need backup for Evra if Fabio's going out on loan). If Clyne fits that bill then that would probably be it at the back. I also wouldn't be surprised to see us bring in striker as well, although it seems redundant as Kagawa if we are to use a system that plays to his strengths.