Possebon

Number7 · 17th August 2008, 22:24

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Originally Posted by marcus agrippa

so based on that he is clearly not equipped physically for this league then, eh?

i also remember a calm bit of play from him in our defensive corner, where he held off a tackle and won the throw-in when other players might have panicked.

does this make him a world-beater? -no.

but hyperbole and gun-jumping seems the order of the day over here.

I was asked if I saw him get pushed off the ball, so replied that I had done.

You're the one going over the top.

I just made an observation that from what I saw he looks like he's built similar to Eagles. Granted I've seen him play in 1 game, which is probably, at a guess, 1 or 2 less than you.

marcus agrippa · 17th August 2008, 22:30

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Originally Posted by Number7

I was asked if I saw him get pushed off the ball, so replied that I had done.

You're the one going over the top.

I just made an observation that from what I saw he looks like he's built similar to Eagles. Granted I've seen him play in 1 game, which is probably, at a guess, 1 or 2 less than you.

no, i'm not the one going over the top.

as i've pointed out, you don't have to have seen him play in a game to know this since the word from MUTV and Choccy and such is that he isn't small;

another thing: Brazilian players are known for a lot of things, but the one thing people rarely credit them for is their ability to shield and protect the ball.

believe me, i've no worries about him on that score.

Eagles? Eagles? - FFS!

unitedgogi · 17th August 2008, 22:32

Possebon looked good to me. I would play him in some games in PL this season without much hesitation and certainly CC games. In a a season or two, we might have a very good young CM which might not be a bad thing when Scholes comes closer to the retirement.

One thing that I didn't like with him in this game was that he often passed the ball to O´Shea. Although on some occasions O'Shea actually did something useful of the ball.

Didn't seem lightweight to me. He might have to build up a little bit though. Our Brazilians nowadays are good upgrades on the last one we had (Kleberson).

Striker10 · 17th August 2008, 22:34

I think it (size) doesn't always matter in the centre. Sure it helps. I wouldn't have minded him by scholes because scholes doesn't get as forward as he used to and he does get stuck in .

We've seen people like Fabregas who isn't the biggest, playing at 16/17. Doesn't really tackle but one of the best midfielders in the country.

Fletcher for us looks better in the middle. I also like the fact possebon is two footed. He's got great balance and isn't as predictable as o'shea in that respect

I'm being critical of Sir Alex, tomorrow it'll pass

redpie · 18th August 2008, 00:38

Something of a strange game and almost unfair situation for Possebon to be making his debut in with the team so underpowered and turtle like.
But he did ok considering those around him had their own issues.

Ace · 18th August 2008, 01:08

Fucking wild hair that boy has.

fatboy · 18th August 2008, 02:12

Decent enough debut. Steady. and definitely wasn't doing any worse than the rest of his teammates.

M160RA · 18th August 2008, 04:13

I was fairly impressed by him, considering this was his Premiership debut and he's still young. From what I've seen, he already looks a much better option in the middle of the park than O'Shea.

^Red Devil^ · 18th August 2008, 04:38

The new PIRLO

Lion · 18th August 2008, 04:53

Cut the hair.

Nistelrooy10 · 18th August 2008, 04:58

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Originally Posted by ^Red Devil^

The new PIRLO

aye

bbest · 18th August 2008, 05:11

Can't believe this is his debut and the same goes to Rafael. Hope there are more good things to come.

Nathan · 18th August 2008, 07:01

It's way to early to make an assessment, when he came on he did an okay job. We have to remember that when he came on we need to steady the ship as Newcastle had more control of the ball. I agree that John 'O Shea had little impact.

Alex · 18th August 2008, 07:24

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Originally Posted by Nathan

It's way to early to make an assessment, when he came on he did an okay job. We have to remember that when he came on we need to steady the ship as Newcastle had more control of the ball. I agree that John 'O Shea had little impact.

JOS is not a midfielder, RP was poor imo, not that I dont think he will make it here

^Red Devil^ · 18th August 2008, 08:30

Possebon took up good positions, made himself available for passes, held possession well, He did a very good job.

defc0nx · 18th August 2008, 08:37

Possebon seems to be a brilliant prospect. He held the possession well and his passing range seems to be good too. Morever he always seemed to have time on the ball and not often lost the possession. All in all a good little cameo. But lets reserve the final judgement till he plays a few more games.

Denis' cuff · 18th August 2008, 09:25

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Originally Posted by samabachan

Correct. O'Shea's a very limited midfielder but he's good at what he does. Possebon's not limited but not yet very good at what he does.

absolutely spot on - the fact that O'Shea isn't the most technically gifted player does not make him crap. But he's no slouch. He does, in fact break up a lot of moves whether by reading the game and anticipation or by tackling. He does both pretty well. Why is it there are such mongs on here totally incapable of having a rational discussion? Everything's always black or white. You rarely see the guy have a bad game.

The PL these days, is a tough environment to come into as a young player - particularly at United where standards are so high. Competing against squads like the chav$ with their ready made back up players in all positions (more or less) there's little time for clubs to develop youngsters at the sharp end if they want to compete - as Arsenal are finding. Without a pot to piss in, they're relying on good youngsters - but as good as they are, they are still learning and finding out about the reality of competing against seasoned pros. Hence the dilemma with Rossi, for instance. Do you guarantee him (who is actually "guaranteed") plenty of starts and then wonder why his confidence is shot because he's been put in at the deep end when we're demanding results every week or pick the time to ease him in? Heads you win tails you lose. Is it any wonder we haven't had a youngster that's come all the way from the yoof for a long time?

Anderson8 · 18th August 2008, 10:20

Possebon....was great today, showed great maturity and confidence and had a few good touches. The commentators and Analysts (maybe just where I live) didn't have a clue who he was.

Striker10 · 18th August 2008, 10:29

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Originally Posted by Denis' cuff

absolutely spot on - the fact that O'Shea isn't the most technically gifted player does not make him crap. But he's no slouch. He does, in fact break up a lot of moves whether by reading the game and anticipation or by tackling. He does both pretty well. Why is it there are such mongs on here totally incapable of having a rational discussion? Everything's always black or white. You rarely see the guy have a bad game.

The PL these days, is a tough environment to come into as a young player - particularly at United where standards are so high. Competing against squads like the chav$ with their ready made back up players in all positions (more or less) there's little time for clubs to develop youngsters at the sharp end if they want to compete - as Arsenal are finding. Without a pot to piss in, they're relying on good youngsters - but as good as they are, they are still learning and finding out about the reality of competing against seasoned pros. Hence the dilemma with Rossi, for instance. Do you guarantee him (who is actually "guaranteed") plenty of starts and then wonder why his confidence is shot because he's been put in at the deep end when we're demanding results every week or pick the time to ease him in? Heads you win tails you lose. Is it any wonder we haven't had a youngster that's come all the way from the yoof for a long time?

When your at home you do more attacking them defending 9/10. When you replace carrick, who's strength is more passing though he can do a shift with o'shea it's not like for like.

Sure o'shea can defend can he spread the play? Not really. If it was away from home sure o'shea and we're talking about a game - not the whole season

Most people appreciate what john gives the team, but for what carrick gives us - o'shea can't. Incidently scholesy wasn't getting forward much yesterday, certainly not ghosting in the box

people talk about the pl being a tough environment and that's true, so's training. the fact these players are on the bench means they trained well and are all as viable an option as each other.

We seen that with Rafael coming on rather then gary neville. Interestingly enough rafael came and played on the right wing ahead of brown, this was with 20 minutes to go, so it's not as though we're afraid to do it.

You cannot really compare a striker and midfielder. You can be brilliant in midfield and get the plaudits and there are many more parts to someones can people can appriciate. Their leadership, passing, tackling, positional sense.

If your a young striker, sorry but your judged by most on goals. Sure people look at workrate, how they lead the line but a striker wants to score and when there is a complete focus on one aspect of your game it is tougher.

Campbell yesterday, for me did fine and was unlucky. There was only one instance where he was indecisive but that can happen. However, I don't see the threads or posts about us needing a striker stopping and I don't see that much praise for the lad. He did better then certainly I thought he would.

But, if he'd have scored?....different ball game

Floyd · 18th August 2008, 10:32

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Originally Posted by Alex

RP was poor imo

I don't get that. What did he do wrong?

He didn't misplace a single pass and he didn't go hiding, he always wanted the ball.

giggs-beckham · 18th August 2008, 11:35

He needs to be more attacking. scholes is very deep alot getting the ball off the defenders and looking to pass long.
We need possebon to carry the ball forward and operate more in the final third. also to get shots at goal more if he starts against pompey.
The exact assesment goes for anderson aswell, what is it with these brazillians. what we need is an attack minded goalscoring midfielder and we dont even have one! do we?, every team has one.

ERICSAGOD · 18th August 2008, 11:55

Steady debut, looked OK, but not as impressive as the debut by Newcastle's Jonas Gutierrez.

kanchelskis14 · 18th August 2008, 11:56

Fletcher made loads of appearances in the first team as a youngster, started big games too, even away from home. And i'm not convinced he is bigger than Rodrigo is now. I think if we want our kids to progress, there is always going to be a point where you cannot afford to be so cautious. I wouldn't be starting him just yet perhaps, but i'd be comfortable seeing him come off the bench. He can keep the ball under pressure, which means he is not a liability in itself.

Raven_Blade · 18th August 2008, 13:39

He is one for the future. Possebon has all the talent he needs to become a regular here. He just lacks in big game experience.

BAMSOLA · 25th August 2008, 23:03

Gotta say the lad was good when he came on today, didn't have much time to show he's full range but was calm in possesion, neat and tidy and supprisingly physically strong.

I recon we've got another good one here.

olesmyhero · 25th August 2008, 23:07

Looks very confident on the ball. Made one error, giving Crouch the ball, but redeemed himself by stealing it from Crouch. Look forward to seeing more of him to come.

Classy Cannon · 25th August 2008, 23:16

He looks like he belongs in the shirt. O'Shea had a decent game tonight, even creating a goal for Roon (which was wrongly ruled offside), but Rodrigo looks so much more confortable on the ball that I'd like to see the Cat kept for defensive back-up.

samabachan · 25th August 2008, 23:18

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Originally Posted by kanchelskis14

Fletcher made loads of appearances in the first team as a youngster, started big games too, even away from home. And i'm not convinced he is bigger than Rodrigo is now. I think if we want our kids to progress, there is always going to be a point where you cannot afford to be so cautious. I wouldn't be starting him just yet perhaps, but i'd be comfortable seeing him come off the bench. He can keep the ball under pressure, which means he is not a liability in itself.

He isn't starting and he is coming off the bench. What's your point?

redpie · 25th August 2008, 23:23

I was impressed with Possebon. He passes the ball well and works to keep it. I think this lad may stick around even when Carrick and Hargreaves are fit.
The new 7 subs rule will certainly help him.
I was a little disappointed last week when more than one commentator and pundit dismissed him as a nobody, even making fun of his name.

Divine · 25th August 2008, 23:24

Rodrigo obviously needs some games to adjust to the pace and physicality of the Prem - but you can just see he's a very naturally gifted footballer. Just the ease with which he controls the ball, pick out a pass and execute it. You can see he's playing the safe option more often than not, and IMO it's the right thing to do in his position instead of gung-ho hollywood attempts that might cost us. I'm sure he'll be more daring in his play as soon as he feels comfortable with the level.

I think he'll prove to be a great player for us...

Whelan_88 · 25th August 2008, 23:39

Needs to learn to use his left foot if he is ever going to be as effective on the ball as Carrick or Scholes. Gets caught a bit in possession and I think this is because he's going round in circles with his right foot! It's like he's not as aware of his surroundings so needs to check them when he has the ball. Scholes makes it seem like he has so much time on the ball because he can ping the ball pretty much anywhere with either foot and because he's so aware of whats around him, hopefully Possebon can learn from him.

Still got a lot of potential for a youngster and I've no doubt he'll develop into a quality player in due course.

Doesn't look very brazilian though

17th August 2008, 22:32	#123 (permalink)
unitedgogi Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,549	Possebon looked good to me. I would play him in some games in PL this season without much hesitation and certainly CC games. In a a season or two, we might have a very good young CM which might not be a bad thing when Scholes comes closer to the retirement. One thing that I didn't like with him in this game was that he often passed the ball to O´Shea. Although on some occasions O'Shea actually did something useful of the ball. Didn't seem lightweight to me. He might have to build up a little bit though. Our Brazilians nowadays are good upgrades on the last one we had (Kleberson).

17th August 2008, 22:34	#124 (permalink)
Striker10 "Ronaldo and trophies > Manchester United football club" Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,822	I think it (size) doesn't always matter in the centre. Sure it helps. I wouldn't have minded him by scholes because scholes doesn't get as forward as he used to and he does get stuck in . We've seen people like Fabregas who isn't the biggest, playing at 16/17. Doesn't really tackle but one of the best midfielders in the country. Fletcher for us looks better in the middle. I also like the fact possebon is two footed. He's got great balance and isn't as predictable as o'shea in that respect I'm being critical of Sir Alex, tomorrow it'll pass

18th August 2008, 00:38	#125 (permalink)
redpie Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mrs Merton's box room Posts: 2,238	Something of a strange game and almost unfair situation for Possebon to be making his debut in with the team so underpowered and turtle like. But he did ok considering those around him had their own issues.

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Ace Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Da Silva Fever Posts: 1,887	Fucking wild hair that boy has.

18th August 2008, 02:12	#127 (permalink)
fatboy Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,295	Decent enough debut. Steady. and definitely wasn't doing any worse than the rest of his teammates.

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M160RA Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,852	I was fairly impressed by him, considering this was his Premiership debut and he's still young. From what I've seen, he already looks a much better option in the middle of the park than O'Shea.

18th August 2008, 04:38	#129 (permalink)
^Red Devil^ Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,273	The new PIRLO

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Lion Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 628	Cut the hair.

18th August 2008, 05:11	#132 (permalink)
bbest The Caf's worst songwriter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: .................... Posts: 8,016	Can't believe this is his debut and the same goes to Rafael. Hope there are more good things to come.

18th August 2008, 07:01	#133 (permalink)
Nathan Youth Team Player Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: South Africa Posts: 299	It's way to early to make an assessment, when he came on he did an okay job. We have to remember that when he came on we need to steady the ship as Newcastle had more control of the ball. I agree that John 'O Shea had little impact.

18th August 2008, 08:30	#135 (permalink)
^Red Devil^ Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,273	Possebon took up good positions, made himself available for passes, held possession well, He did a very good job.

18th August 2008, 08:37	#136 (permalink)
defc0nx Youth Team Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Theatre of Dreams Posts: 248	Possebon seems to be a brilliant prospect. He held the possession well and his passing range seems to be good too. Morever he always seemed to have time on the ball and not often lost the possession. All in all a good little cameo. But lets reserve the final judgement till he plays a few more games.

18th August 2008, 10:20	#138 (permalink)
Anderson8 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Doing the 'Samba' Dance with Ando or beating Tevez at Jenga! Posts: 2,203	Possebon....was great today, showed great maturity and confidence and had a few good touches. The commentators and Analysts (maybe just where I live) didn't have a clue who he was.

18th August 2008, 11:35	#141 (permalink)
giggs-beckham Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,312	He needs to be more attacking. scholes is very deep alot getting the ball off the defenders and looking to pass long. We need possebon to carry the ball forward and operate more in the final third. also to get shots at goal more if he starts against pompey. The exact assesment goes for anderson aswell, what is it with these brazillians. what we need is an attack minded goalscoring midfielder and we dont even have one! do we?, every team has one.

18th August 2008, 11:55	#142 (permalink)
ERICSAGOD Grumpy Old Git Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Mrs Slocombe's Pussy Posts: 4,153	Steady debut, looked OK, but not as impressive as the debut by Newcastle's Jonas Gutierrez.

18th August 2008, 11:56	#143 (permalink)
kanchelskis14 Transfer Enthusiast Join Date: May 2004 Location: The slums of Hackney Posts: 12,919	Fletcher made loads of appearances in the first team as a youngster, started big games too, even away from home. And i'm not convinced he is bigger than Rodrigo is now. I think if we want our kids to progress, there is always going to be a point where you cannot afford to be so cautious. I wouldn't be starting him just yet perhaps, but i'd be comfortable seeing him come off the bench. He can keep the ball under pressure, which means he is not a liability in itself.

18th August 2008, 13:39	#144 (permalink)
Raven_Blade Attention Whoring Common Crow Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: In Man Utd's Defence. Posts: 18,234	He is one for the future. Possebon has all the talent he needs to become a regular here. He just lacks in big game experience.

25th August 2008, 23:03	#145 (permalink)
BAMSOLA Has issues! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: What?!!!!!! Are you wearing a F***ing wire?!!!!!!! Posts: 3,123	Gotta say the lad was good when he came on today, didn't have much time to show he's full range but was calm in possesion, neat and tidy and supprisingly physically strong. I recon we've got another good one here.

25th August 2008, 23:07	#146 (permalink)
olesmyhero has a lazy eye...japs eye Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 4000+ miles west of old trafford Posts: 12,253	Looks very confident on the ball. Made one error, giving Crouch the ball, but redeemed himself by stealing it from Crouch. Look forward to seeing more of him to come.

25th August 2008, 23:16	#147 (permalink)
Classy Cannon Left Back in the changing room Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,073	He looks like he belongs in the shirt. O'Shea had a decent game tonight, even creating a goal for Roon (which was wrongly ruled offside), but Rodrigo looks so much more confortable on the ball that I'd like to see the Cat kept for defensive back-up.

25th August 2008, 23:23	#149 (permalink)
redpie Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mrs Merton's box room Posts: 2,238	I was impressed with Possebon. He passes the ball well and works to keep it. I think this lad may stick around even when Carrick and Hargreaves are fit. The new 7 subs rule will certainly help him. I was a little disappointed last week when more than one commentator and pundit dismissed him as a nobody, even making fun of his name.

25th August 2008, 23:24	#150 (permalink)
Divine Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Paul Scholes, he scores goals Posts: 4,623	Rodrigo obviously needs some games to adjust to the pace and physicality of the Prem - but you can just see he's a very naturally gifted footballer. Just the ease with which he controls the ball, pick out a pass and execute it. You can see he's playing the safe option more often than not, and IMO it's the right thing to do in his position instead of gung-ho hollywood attempts that might cost us. I'm sure he'll be more daring in his play as soon as he feels comfortable with the level. I think he'll prove to be a great player for us...

25th August 2008, 23:39	#151 (permalink)
Whelan_88 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 795	Needs to learn to use his left foot if he is ever going to be as effective on the ball as Carrick or Scholes. Gets caught a bit in possession and I think this is because he's going round in circles with his right foot! It's like he's not as aware of his surroundings so needs to check them when he has the ball. Scholes makes it seem like he has so much time on the ball because he can ping the ball pretty much anywhere with either foot and because he's so aware of whats around him, hopefully Possebon can learn from him. Still got a lot of potential for a youngster and I've no doubt he'll develop into a quality player in due course. Doesn't look very brazilian though