Post Match v Villa away

Siorac · 10th November 2012, 20:04

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Originally Posted by Ainu

Nah, we were 4-4-2 against Arsenal as well, and that was a great performance. Well actually, it was more like 4-4-1-1 but still.

Yeah. Well actually it was far from a great performance, just an utterly spineless one against Arsenal. And our wingers played badly in that one as well.

Devil may care · 10th November 2012, 20:05

Their second goal was unbelievable, the amount of space they had to play it across our back 4 was staggering, no one getting close to the guy that dummied it, thankfully Hernandez is back to his best and saved us with his movement up top, fuck the haters he made his own luck.

DevilRed · 10th November 2012, 20:10

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Originally Posted by Devil may care

Their second goal was unbelievable, the amount of space they had to play it across our back 4 was staggering, no one getting close to the guy that dummied it, thankfully Hernandez is back to his best and saved us with his movement up top, fuck the haters he made his own luck.

A few years ago Carrick would have been there to contest it. Now both him and Scholes seem content to float back.

Devil may care · 10th November 2012, 20:11

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Originally Posted by DevilRed

A few years ago Carrick would have been there to contest it. Now both him and Scholes seem content to float back.

In fairness to Carrick he is doing the running of two men in that combo when we don't have the ball.

K Stand Knut · 10th November 2012, 20:13

A Villa fan I work with is going off his nut with the United fans for not clapping during the 19th minute in recognition of Petrov and his battle against illness? What are people's thoughts on this?

I replied to his FB comment about it that I did not see an issue with it as I would not expect any away fan to applaud a United player past or present for whatever reason. I thought it would just be a Villa thing where they show their respects to 'one of their own' but he replied again saying that EVERY away team this season had done it along with the villa fans?

Am I being heartless and / or a cunt?

Varun_Utd · 10th November 2012, 20:23

Absolutely brilliant comeback. Had a feeling we'd win it even when it was 2-0 and we did. In love with hernandez, he's made it impossible not to start him next game.

DevilRed · 10th November 2012, 20:26

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Originally Posted by Devil may care

In fairness to Carrick he is doing the running of two men in that combo when we don't have the ball.

I guess its being harsh on him because it seems like he has played in almost every match for 90 minutes. Its ridiculous for him to sustain a high performance level on this kind of mileage. I just hope Fergie opts to throw in someone like Fletcher as an alternative once in a while.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 10th November 2012, 20:29

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Originally Posted by Devil may care

In fairness to Carrick he is doing the running of two men in that combo when we don't have the ball.

To be frank he wasn't doing any running. He was being by passed just as easily.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 10th November 2012, 20:35

Our insistence on passing the ball slowly and wide repeatedly was mystifying. We insisted on the tactic for over an hour when Villa were playing narrow, with number in their box. Yet the moment we tried to pass the ball central more often we scored almost immediately.

Leroy The Red · 10th November 2012, 21:21

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Originally Posted by K Stand Knut

A Villa fan I work with is going off his nut with the United fans for not clapping during the 19th minute in recognition of Petrov and his battle against illness? What are people's thoughts on this?

I replied to his FB comment about it that I did not see an issue with it as I would not expect any away fan to applaud a United player past or present for whatever reason. I thought it would just be a Villa thing where they show their respects to 'one of their own' but he replied again saying that EVERY away team this season had done it along with the villa fans?

Am I being heartless and / or a cunt?

it's a fucking nonsense. They had a go at us for not clapping at Old Trafford in the 4-0, I knew it would happen again.
The guy is still alive and he plays for them, it's not compulsory that every team joins in. They should get off their high horse.

Jaap · 10th November 2012, 22:08

This team is a drug. Can't get enough of them.

surf · 10th November 2012, 23:50

Villa defended well until they went 2 in front. They played Van Persie out of the game for 60 minutes. Away games are rarely easy and ultimately it was a good win. Shows the importance of subs and having a good bench.

OGkush · 10th November 2012, 23:54

Jesus, no wonder I smoke so much weed, it's the only thing keeping me from exploding with rage when watching United. It's almost like they deliberately make you suffer for 60-70 minutes a game just to see if you'll still be watching when they decide that's enough dicking around and actualy decide to win the match.

VoetbalWizard · 11th November 2012, 00:12

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Originally Posted by OGkush

Jesus, no wonder I smoke so much weed, it's the only thing keeping me from exploding with rage when watching United. It's almost like they deliberately make you suffer for 60-70 minutes a game just to see if you'll still be watching when they decide that's enough dicking around and actualy decide to win the match.

how is that slovenian homegrown?

Rowem · 11th November 2012, 00:21

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Originally Posted by Siorac

just an utterly spineless one against Arsenal.

You pathetic, idiotic, spoilt little cunt.

We dominate Arsenal, and you call it utterly spineless?

You are braindead. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with people on here?

Go and jump off a fucking building or something.

p.s. no offence intended of course. I'm just joining in with the overdramatic, overreactionary Caf culture.

Platato · 11th November 2012, 02:32

Those who somehow fail to see the obvious:

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Originally Posted by prateik

The midfield of Carrick-Scholes wasnt the problem. Got sucker punched after some poor defending from Smalling for the first and well.. the second was rubbish as well...
The front 6 looked lethargic in the first half.. Sparked into life in the second and did much better.

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Originally Posted by KM

The midfield wasn't a problem. The wingers were terrible. Scholes had some off days but then he compensated it with a fine ball.

Those who recognize the limitations of Carrick/Scholes combo:

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Originally Posted by Freak

When your midfield allows the opposing midfield to run past them so easily, your defense is going to suffer. Scholes and Carrick should never start together again.

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Originally Posted by Sojiro

they were part of the problem. Carrick and Scholes both like to sit deep and dictate play. With two wingers who like to hug the touchline it left the two forwards isloated vs the CB's and the CM who came back to shield. 4-4-2 is based off a moble set of CM's who can get up and down the pitch and while both can cover alot of ground statistically its not in the form of forward runs that open space for the forwards/wingers. Look how deep RvP had to come just to get possession (like Cazorla and Wilshere had to when we snuffed Arsenal out last game)

combine that with an off half of turnovers and opposing wingers with pace left us very open and we payed for it.

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Originally Posted by Freak

Defensively it was the problem. Go watch the portions where villa attacked us, they were picking balls past Scholes and Carrick for fun. Ireland was making runs pasts both of them.

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Our insistence on passing the ball slowly and wide repeatedly was mystifying. We insisted on the tactic for over an hour when Villa were playing narrow, with number in their box. Yet the moment we tried to pass the ball central more often we scored almost immediately.

It gets old when the fascination with Carrick/Scholes combo creates some sort of blindness when we turn in such turgid performances sometimes. Fair dues if you wish to provide balance, but it's not conducive to protecting our backline. Leaving defenders in one-on-one situations versus an oncoming attacker is rarely a good situation and it happened far too many times yesterday.

I love both of these players but emotion aside, as much as it could work, it's a bit too risky against energetic sides.

pocco · 11th November 2012, 02:54

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

To be frank he wasn't doing any running. He was being by passed just as easily.

I'm glad somebody else actually watched what was happening. I think so many are caught up in agendas regarding our midfield that whenever they see Scholes and Carrick together, they just conclude that Carrick was 'doing the running of two men' and shit like that.

Seriously, the sooner somebody with a bit more about them steps up and forces not only Scholes and Giggs out of the team, but also Carrick, we will start playing decent football of old and will hopefully start assembling our next great side.

KingEric7 · 11th November 2012, 02:57

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Originally Posted by K Stand Knut

A Villa fan I work with is going off his nut with the United fans for not clapping during the 19th minute in recognition of Petrov and his battle against illness? What are people's thoughts on this?

I replied to his FB comment about it that I did not see an issue with it as I would not expect any away fan to applaud a United player past or present for whatever reason. I thought it would just be a Villa thing where they show their respects to 'one of their own' but he replied again saying that EVERY away team this season had done it along with the villa fans?

Am I being heartless and / or a cunt?

"Right, we're gonna boo one of your players every single time he gets near the ball, but for our player you have to clap him or else you're all cunts!"

Logic.

yamo123x · 11th November 2012, 08:05

We don't have players who dominate the midfield, both physically and energetically. Remember the drive keano, Incey, robbo etc gave us. We need players with that drive, in my opinion Ando is the only central midfielder we have who can drive forward with the ball.

Think we should sell Nani and Macheda bring in Wanyama in Jan and go all out for Bale next Summer when giggsy calls it a day.

Lynk · 11th November 2012, 08:24

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Originally Posted by yamo123x

We don't have players who dominate the midfield, both physically and energetically. Remember the drive keano, Incey, robbo etc gave us. We need players with that drive, in my opinion Ando is the only central midfielder we have who can drive forward with the ball.

Think we should sell Nani and Macheda bring in Wanyama in Jan and go all out for Bale next Summer when giggsy calls it a day.

Bale won't control the midfield for us either.

032Devil · 11th November 2012, 08:39

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Originally Posted by Freak

Stop playing Scholes in a midfield 2. You don't need Einstein to see that it doesn't work anymore

He set up Chicharito's first and was instrumental in the second goal too!

What Scholes needs now is a minder or two ie other midfielders that can do most of the other chores while he does his Hollywood passes.

KM · 11th November 2012, 08:53

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Originally Posted by K Stand Knut

A Villa fan I work with is going off his nut with the United fans for not clapping during the 19th minute in recognition of Petrov and his battle against illness? What are people's thoughts on this?

I replied to his FB comment about it that I did not see an issue with it as I would not expect any away fan to applaud a United player past or present for whatever reason. I thought it would just be a Villa thing where they show their respects to 'one of their own' but he replied again saying that EVERY away team this season had done it along with the villa fans?

Am I being heartless and / or a cunt?

From what I've heard. We chanted 19 in the 19th minute.

McLovin · 11th November 2012, 09:11

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Originally Posted by K Stand Knut

A Villa fan I work with is going off his nut with the United fans for not clapping during the 19th minute in recognition of Petrov and his battle against illness? What are people's thoughts on this?

I replied to his FB comment about it that I did not see an issue with it as I would not expect any away fan to applaud a United player past or present for whatever reason. I thought it would just be a Villa thing where they show their respects to 'one of their own' but he replied again saying that EVERY away team this season had done it along with the villa fans?

Am I being heartless and / or a cunt?

We clapped (for Petrov), while chanting '19'.

Sultan · 11th November 2012, 09:11

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Originally Posted by pocco

I'm glad somebody else actually watched what was happening. I think so many are caught up in agendas regarding our midfield that whenever they see Scholes and Carrick together, they just conclude that Carrick was 'doing the running of two men' and shit like that.

Seriously, the sooner somebody with a bit more about them steps up and forces not only Scholes and Giggs out of the team, but also Carrick, we will start playing decent football of old and will hopefully start assembling our next great side.

Although I agree with your sentiments we are top of the league, and already qualified for the knock-out stages of the Champions league. This despite being generally slow starters over the years.

Wrong time to have a moan me thinks, Pocco.

Sultan · 11th November 2012, 09:15

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Originally Posted by Twigginater

Errrrrm...

Why is football so fucking awesome and so horrible at the same time. Where did five minutes come from? Where did Valencia turn into the most frustrating person ever.

Why is supporting United so damned good constantly.

Chicarito thankyou very very much.

United. Top of the league

Great idea for a thread. However, I wish someone decent who could actually summarise the match better started the thread.

Redcafe needs to up it's game.

OGkush · 11th November 2012, 09:20

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Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

how is that slovenian homegrown?

pretty good actualy. can't complain, and although I haven't smoked weed with a whole lot of non-slovenians, I can tell you this.
Me and some of my friends smoked our weed one time with 2 ausies and 2 italian girls, needless to say 1 of each passed out within the next 10-20 minutes

.

seriously though, it's like I have to lose my nerves every single game before United decide to make something happen.

jojojo · 11th November 2012, 10:24

I had one of those, "game of two halves, at the end of the day, it's a game of 90 minutes," - rollercoaster reactions. Great for the blood pressure. But then I realised it's all been said before, in song

Spoiler

Ignore the end of June bit...

Twigginater · 11th November 2012, 11:17

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Originally Posted by Sultan

Great idea for a thread. However, I wish someone decent who could actually summarise the match better started the thread.

Redcafe needs to up it's game.

Go on Sults, I'll let you do the Norwich one!

Sultan · 11th November 2012, 12:06

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Originally Posted by Twigginater

Go on Sults, I'll let you do the Norwich one!

I can't! I'm usually travelling back from the game.

Twigginater · 11th November 2012, 12:19

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Originally Posted by Sultan

I can't! I'm usually travelling back from the game.

Didn't know you went away games as well. Looks like I'll have the Norwich one as well.

Kinky Melinky · 11th November 2012, 12:20

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Originally Posted by Cutch

This teams gonna put me in a fuckin clinic

AARRONB06 · 11th November 2012, 15:06

My post match, I need AA.

prateik · 12th November 2012, 06:15

The shot of the staff celebrating after the 3rd goal was hilarious.
Phelan, Morgan and Strudwick did a weird little huddle. Rene was hugging Fergie. Steele came out too.

Nathan · 12th November 2012, 13:27

Scholes had great form, then Cleverly had a bit of a run and then giggs also got some game time. While he didnt have a great game i think we still need him in most of our games. Anderson and Cleverly need to step up a few levels, cleverly has improved but with Anderson he needs more games.

anver · 14th November 2012, 08:51

Did not watch the game live, but saw a replay yesterday.

I dont think we played horribly. We were in total control, and on the attack. They had so many defenders in their box, that it was almost impossible to get through.

Their two goals were undoubtedly well deserved, because our defense was caught flatfooted. But, our midfield was not that bad as some make out. Chicharito gives us an added dimension in our attack. He is very deceptive, and defenders forget he is there because of his unobtrusive approach.

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10th November 2012, 20:05	#42 (permalink)
Devil may care First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6,686	Their second goal was unbelievable, the amount of space they had to play it across our back 4 was staggering, no one getting close to the guy that dummied it, thankfully Hernandez is back to his best and saved us with his movement up top, fuck the haters he made his own luck.

10th November 2012, 20:13	#45 (permalink)
K Stand Knut Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Yo momma's so fat, she walked past the TV and i missed the first season of Lost Posts: 2,857	A Villa fan I work with is going off his nut with the United fans for not clapping during the 19th minute in recognition of Petrov and his battle against illness? What are people's thoughts on this? I replied to his FB comment about it that I did not see an issue with it as I would not expect any away fan to applaud a United player past or present for whatever reason. I thought it would just be a Villa thing where they show their respects to 'one of their own' but he replied again saying that EVERY away team this season had done it along with the villa fans? Am I being heartless and / or a cunt?

10th November 2012, 20:23	#46 (permalink)
Varun_Utd First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: New Delhi Posts: 8,979	Absolutely brilliant comeback. Had a feeling we'd win it even when it was 2-0 and we did. In love with hernandez, he's made it impossible not to start him next game.

10th November 2012, 20:35	#49 (permalink)
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Founder of IhateMakeleles.org and Gourcufffanboysareus.com Posts: 40,862	Our insistence on passing the ball slowly and wide repeatedly was mystifying. We insisted on the tactic for over an hour when Villa were playing narrow, with number in their box. Yet the moment we tried to pass the ball central more often we scored almost immediately.

10th November 2012, 22:08	#51 (permalink)
Jaap First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dortmund, Germany Posts: 5,419	This team is a drug. Can't get enough of them.

10th November 2012, 23:50	#52 (permalink)
surf Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: In the wilderness Posts: 4,259	Villa defended well until they went 2 in front. They played Van Persie out of the game for 60 minutes. Away games are rarely easy and ultimately it was a good win. Shows the importance of subs and having a good bench.

10th November 2012, 23:54	#53 (permalink)
OGkush Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Slovenia Posts: 3,538	Jesus, no wonder I smoke so much weed, it's the only thing keeping me from exploding with rage when watching United. It's almost like they deliberately make you suffer for 60-70 minutes a game just to see if you'll still be watching when they decide that's enough dicking around and actualy decide to win the match.

11th November 2012, 08:05	#59 (permalink)
yamo123x Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: england Posts: 1,100	We don't have players who dominate the midfield, both physically and energetically. Remember the drive keano, Incey, robbo etc gave us. We need players with that drive, in my opinion Ando is the only central midfielder we have who can drive forward with the ball. Think we should sell Nani and Macheda bring in Wanyama in Jan and go all out for Bale next Summer when giggsy calls it a day.

11th November 2012, 10:24	#67 (permalink)
jojojo First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Engaged in a Valencian standoff with some Barca fans - Viva United Posts: 9,845	I had one of those, "game of two halves, at the end of the day, it's a game of 90 minutes," - rollercoaster reactions. Great for the blood pressure. But then I realised it's all been said before, in song Spoiler Ignore the end of June bit...

11th November 2012, 15:06	#72 (permalink)
AARRONB06 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Runcorn Posts: 2,057	My post match, I need AA.

12th November 2012, 06:15	#73 (permalink)
prateik First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 23,414	The shot of the staff celebrating after the 3rd goal was hilarious. Phelan, Morgan and Strudwick did a weird little huddle. Rene was hugging Fergie. Steele came out too.

12th November 2012, 13:27	#74 (permalink)
Nathan Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: South Africa Posts: 848	Scholes had great form, then Cleverly had a bit of a run and then giggs also got some game time. While he didnt have a great game i think we still need him in most of our games. Anderson and Cleverly need to step up a few levels, cleverly has improved but with Anderson he needs more games.

14th November 2012, 08:51	#75 (permalink)
anver Shart stop Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colombo. Sri-Lanka Posts: 4,821	Did not watch the game live, but saw a replay yesterday. I dont think we played horribly. We were in total control, and on the attack. They had so many defenders in their box, that it was almost impossible to get through. Their two goals were undoubtedly well deserved, because our defense was caught flatfooted. But, our midfield was not that bad as some make out. Chicharito gives us an added dimension in our attack. He is very deceptive, and defenders forget he is there because of his unobtrusive approach.