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Hernandez - BFA · 4th March 2013, 17:51

I obviously didn't mean send out a:

Amos, Vermijl, Thorpe, Fornaiser, Blackett, Cole, Powell, Lingard, Januzaj, Van Velzen, Van Persie.

Just sent out a pretty much second string side, with a few first team players and maybe one or two youngsters. Like:

De Gea, Rafael, Smalling, Vidic, Buttner, Valencia, Powell, Scholes, Lingard, Nani, Hernandez.

Subs: Welbeck, Januzaj, Cleverley.

Fergie's done it in the past. Against Hull a few seasons back:

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Kuszczak, Rafael Da Silva (Eckersley 60), Neville, Brown, De Laet (Possebon 79), Nani, Fletcher, Gibson, Welbeck (Tosic 87), Martin, Macheda.
Subs Not Used: Amos, Corry Evans, Drinkwater, James.

Quite interesting that from those 18 names, only 6 of those are at United (Macheda being the one on loan).

antohan · 4th March 2013, 17:58

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Originally Posted by ravelston

For us, intentionally playing significantly weakened teams would damage the competitive integrity of the league. Any time we give away points it has an impact (not least financial) on other teams. Hopefully this is not something we would do.

You are not going to send an XI packed with youngsters, just a sprinkling here and there. To assess them you have to be fielding a competitive side in the first place!

In any case, we are playing Swansea and West Brom last, I doubt there's going to be much riding on either game, maybe not even their relative league position even if it's most likely going to be them two jockeying against each other. Same treatment, fair.

roseguy64 · 4th March 2013, 18:08

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Originally Posted by antohan

That was an earlier discussion, we are talking about young prospects getting some first team footie in the last couple of games (Swansea, West Brom) if it's wrapped up.

We should play to win the derby, no matter what the league/CL situation is. Bury them.

Why are you turning him away from what he wants to discuss? If he wants to talk about resting players in the derby then respond to it or leave it alone.

antohan · 4th March 2013, 20:41

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Originally Posted by roseguy64

Why are you turning him away from what he wants to discuss? If he wants to talk about resting players in the derby then respond to it or leave it alone.

I'm not turning anyone away from anything.

If he quoted someone from the "rest vs. City" discussion I would have just offered my second paragraph commenting on that. Since he didn't, his post is most likely to relate directly to those above his, which did not in any way advocate resting players against City but playing younger players in the last few games. The clarification was therefore relevant.

nahealai · 17th March 2013, 22:04

On course for 97 points on our current points-per-game average.

Let's knock this out of the park and win the FA Cup as well. It'll make up for the Champions League exit and put us in great stead to strengthen even further in the summer and go for Europe next season.

Anderson's Cat · 17th March 2013, 22:44

I say go for the triple digits.

Revan · 18th March 2013, 10:46

I would be extremely disappointed if we don't win City + 20 league table and break the record for points and goals scored. Everything else is embarrassment

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Goooose · 18th March 2013, 11:01

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Originally Posted by Anderson's Cat

I say go for the triple digits.

We could get that with 7 wins and a draw allowing for 1 defeat, but considering the games we've got left I can't see it happening.

Northstand · 18th March 2013, 12:35

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Originally Posted by Goooose

We could get that with 7 wins and a draw allowing for 1 defeat, but considering the games we've got left I can't see it happening.

Anything short of nine wins in nine would see us fall short of triple figures. Were you thinking of the record points mark there?

Sandikan · 18th March 2013, 12:40

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Originally Posted by Hernandez - BFA

I obviously didn't mean send out a:

Amos, Vermijl, Thorpe, Fornaiser, Blackett, Cole, Powell, Lingard, Januzaj, Van Velzen, Van Persie.

Just sent out a pretty much second string side, with a few first team players and maybe one or two youngsters. Like:

De Gea, Rafael, Smalling, Vidic, Buttner, Valencia, Powell, Scholes, Lingard, Nani, Hernandez.

Subs: Welbeck, Januzaj, Cleverley.

Fergie's done it in the past. Against Hull a few seasons back:

Quite interesting that from those 18 names, only 6 of those are at United (Macheda being the one on loan).

That was with a champions league final a few days later though...

Hopefully we can get through Chelsea to have something to need to rest players for later in the season.

Jonno · 20th March 2013, 08:23

We really need to put everything into the FA Cup replay, as we have such a clear run in the PL now, never have we had such a great opportunity to rest players for cup games.

esmufc14 · 20th March 2013, 08:37

Ye, screw a pointless points record which no-one really cares about. It's a nice thing to be able to say you've done but we should be putting all our eggs in one basket now. And that basket is a silver trophy called the FA Cup.

LR7 · 20th March 2013, 08:50

Dwight Yorke suggested that've players should try to break our previous record of winning the league by +18 points. I suppose setting these little targets, whether its that or breaking the overall points record, it all helps to gives the lads something to play for - must be hard to keep motivated when its already wrapped up. They're competitive individuals and targets help.

I wonder if Lindegaard, Buttner and Powell will get games so that they have enough apps to get a medal if we do wrap it up early.

Chabon · 20th March 2013, 10:12

If we beat the record we'd be statistically the second greatest team in the history of English football. But who wants to be second? If we win every game from now to the end of the season we'd be the best ever, surpassing Preston's true invinibles in the very first season of the Football League.

So clearly that should be our real target, even if it is faintly ludicrous.

Jaybezia · 20th March 2013, 10:14

I don't see why its ridiclous... we have the ability, coupled with the fixture space and squad to rotate... time will tell..

Adebesi · 20th March 2013, 11:21

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Originally Posted by Chabon

If we beat the record we'd be statistically the second greatest team in the history of English football. But who wants to be second? If we win every game from now to the end of the season we'd be the best ever, surpassing Preston's true invinibles in the very first season of the Football League.

So clearly that should be our real target, even if it is faintly ludicrous.

Its a real paradox - we may well become statistically the second greatest English top flight team, we could even become the greatest ever. And yet either way I see no prospect of people acknowledging this as anything other than one of the least spectacular Manchester United sides under SAF - certainly among neutrals, but among a significant number of United fans too.

manusteve · 20th March 2013, 13:30

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Originally Posted by Adebesi

Its a real paradox - we may well become statistically the second greatest English top flight team, we could even become the greatest ever. And yet either way I see no prospect of people acknowledging this as anything other than one of the least spectacular Manchester United sides under SAF - certainly among neutrals, but among a significant number of United fans too.

I think winning will wipe away some of the disappointing play this season, and in years to come, we will only be remembered as winners. Probably not one of Fergie's best, but that's irrelevant because we only reminisce about the "better" teams in United's history, not compare notes on which was the worst.

I do understand it's fantastic to win the league but a couple more CL's in the next few seasons would really put the gloss on a stunning 20 years.

nahealai · 30th March 2013, 13:46

A win today and we're just 18 points off equalling the record. With eight games to go (after today), I think we have a good chance of doing it. I suppose Monday's game will tell us a lot more about where our priorities can lie.

Still, what an amazing season we're having domestically. We're only 14 points off our best ever league points total in a 38-game season should we finish the job today. Amazing.

stretford_oslo · 30th March 2013, 14:39

First team ever to win 25 out of the 30 first games in one season.

rcoobc · 30th March 2013, 14:41

Ridiculous that this team will have to go at least 14 months to play in a European Cup Semi/Final.

Jimy_Hills_Chin · 30th March 2013, 14:42

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Originally Posted by stretford_oslo

First team to ever win 25 out of the 30 first games in one season.

Stunning stat that.

The White Pele · 30th March 2013, 14:47

We've won 17 of the last 19 in the league and drawn the other two. Unbelievable form.

nahealai · 30th March 2013, 14:48

Incredible that, in the games where we have dropped points, Spurs and Norwich should have been wins, and the draw at Swansea could easily have been a win for us with the chances we created. I don't think anyone would deny that we deserved to lose at Everton on opening weekend, though.

It really is an impressive season.

Randall Flagg · 30th March 2013, 15:06

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Originally Posted by stretford_oslo

First team ever to win 25 out of the 30 first games in one season.

Yeah it's been a shit season

Ainu · 30th March 2013, 15:14

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Originally Posted by nahealai

Incredible that, in the games where we have dropped points, Spurs and Norwich should have been wins, and the draw at Swansea could easily have been a win for us with the chances we created. I don't think anyone would deny that we deserved to lose at Everton on opening weekend, though.

It really is an impressive season.

Then again we definately deserved to lose at Anfield, possibly at home against Fulham as well. That's how it goes. All in all an incredible season results wise.

nahealai · 30th March 2013, 15:17

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Originally Posted by Ainu

Then again we definately deserved to lose at Anfield, possibly at home against Fulham as well. That's how it goes. All in all an incredible season results wise.

Christ, didn't you get the memo? Pessimism is banned from this thread!

In all seriousness though, I recognised that we had games where we maybe should have dropped points. You need that bit of luck to win championships.

Siorac · 30th March 2013, 15:20

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Originally Posted by nahealai

Incredible that, in the games where we have dropped points, Spurs and Norwich should have been wins, and the draw at Swansea could easily have been a win for us with the chances we created. I don't think anyone would deny that we deserved to lose at Everton on opening weekend, though.

It really is an impressive season.

Norwich away was one of the worst performances of the entire season, we deserved fuck all there.

nahealai · 30th March 2013, 15:23

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Originally Posted by Siorac

Norwich away was one of the worst performances of the entire season, we deserved fuck all there.

I recall Ruddy making some good saves for them that night. Overall performance may have been pretty poor, but we still created more clear-cut chances that Norwich, we just didn't take them.

wr8_utd · 30th March 2013, 18:01

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Originally Posted by nahealai

I recall Ruddy making some good saves for them that night. Overall performance may have been pretty poor, but we still created more clear-cut chances that Norwich, we just didn't take them.

We created pretty much nothing there. Infact I think Bassong had our best effort on target late on.

LR7 · 22nd April 2013, 08:22

In the haze of excitement, this is being overlooked. It's still on guys, we need 5 wins out of 5 though but I don't want to jinx it

wr8_utd · 22nd April 2013, 08:28

Could happen but really don't see us winning both our games at Arsenal and Chelsea if we've already wrapped up the title. The other 3 are winnable.

LR7 · 22nd April 2013, 08:30

Playing without pressure could improve the performances? Would people be playing for their futures also? You never know! I'd love us to really go for it.

Adebesi · 22nd April 2013, 08:31

I still really dont think the records matter as much to SAF as giving his youngsters some first team experience. But it would be good to win the remaining five: we have lived in Preston's shadow far too long.

MancFanFromManc · 22nd April 2013, 08:36

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Originally Posted by LR7

Playing without pressure could improve the performances? Would people be playing for their futures also? You never know! I'd love us to really go for it.

Come off it, you know thats not the United way. Playing well under pressure is what defines us, its a key factor in our success. Take it away and we're just not the same. Holding back the trophy presentation is a good move, and that might help us remain focus, but seriously, I think we'll fizzle out once its in the back TONIGHT

Buzzing for the game already. 20 title. oh my! After thinking it was won for so long last season, this one is special

nahealai · 22nd April 2013, 22:09

From some of Fergie's soundbites, it appears that this is something the squad are aiming for. Four wins from four is what's needed, not beyond the realms of possibility. Arsenal away is doable, Chelsea at home should be three points for us considering Chelsea's daunting fixture list, Swansea at home is a banker as their season is finished since the end of February, and you'd back us to beat West Brom away on current form.

I think we're going to do it.

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17th March 2013, 22:04	#85 (permalink)
nahealai Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Republik of Mancunia Posts: 4,132	On course for 97 points on our current points-per-game average. Let's knock this out of the park and win the FA Cup as well. It'll make up for the Champions League exit and put us in great stead to strengthen even further in the summer and go for Europe next season.

17th March 2013, 22:44	#86 (permalink)
Anderson's Cat Also Should Have Known Better Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: I drift in and out Posts: 6,441	I say go for the triple digits.

18th March 2013, 10:46	#87 (permalink)
Revan Will always be Ismail Elezi Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: In Philest Jonesest Posts: 7,224	I would be extremely disappointed if we don't win City + 20 league table and break the record for points and goals scored. Everything else is embarrassment .

20th March 2013, 08:23	#91 (permalink)
Jonno Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Preston. Twitter:@jonnowilson Posts: 4,069	We really need to put everything into the FA Cup replay, as we have such a clear run in the PL now, never have we had such a great opportunity to rest players for cup games.

20th March 2013, 08:37	#92 (permalink)
esmufc14 9 Pages of infractions Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lake Fianga Posts: 24,718	Ye, screw a pointless points record which no-one really cares about. It's a nice thing to be able to say you've done but we should be putting all our eggs in one basket now. And that basket is a silver trophy called the FA Cup.

20th March 2013, 08:50	#93 (permalink)
LR7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,638	Dwight Yorke suggested that've players should try to break our previous record of winning the league by +18 points. I suppose setting these little targets, whether its that or breaking the overall points record, it all helps to gives the lads something to play for - must be hard to keep motivated when its already wrapped up. They're competitive individuals and targets help. I wonder if Lindegaard, Buttner and Powell will get games so that they have enough apps to get a medal if we do wrap it up early.

20th March 2013, 10:12	#94 (permalink)
Chabon Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,006	If we beat the record we'd be statistically the second greatest team in the history of English football. But who wants to be second? If we win every game from now to the end of the season we'd be the best ever, surpassing Preston's true invinibles in the very first season of the Football League. So clearly that should be our real target, even if it is faintly ludicrous.

20th March 2013, 10:14	#95 (permalink)
Jaybezia lol Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: ℗© Posts: 4,695	I don't see why its ridiclous... we have the ability, coupled with the fixture space and squad to rotate... time will tell..

30th March 2013, 13:46	#98 (permalink)
nahealai Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Republik of Mancunia Posts: 4,132	A win today and we're just 18 points off equalling the record. With eight games to go (after today), I think we have a good chance of doing it. I suppose Monday's game will tell us a lot more about where our priorities can lie. Still, what an amazing season we're having domestically. We're only 14 points off our best ever league points total in a 38-game season should we finish the job today. Amazing.

30th March 2013, 14:39	#99 (permalink)
stretford_oslo Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Land of confusion Posts: 1,547	First team ever to win 25 out of the 30 first games in one season.

30th March 2013, 14:41	#100 (permalink)
rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: The treble gone Posts: 23,010	Ridiculous that this team will have to go at least 14 months to play in a European Cup Semi/Final.

30th March 2013, 14:47	#102 (permalink)
The White Pele Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Paul Scholes loves trees Posts: 1,954	We've won 17 of the last 19 in the league and drawn the other two. Unbelievable form.

30th March 2013, 14:48	#103 (permalink)
nahealai Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Republik of Mancunia Posts: 4,132	Incredible that, in the games where we have dropped points, Spurs and Norwich should have been wins, and the draw at Swansea could easily have been a win for us with the chances we created. I don't think anyone would deny that we deserved to lose at Everton on opening weekend, though. It really is an impressive season.

22nd April 2013, 08:22	#110 (permalink)
LR7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,638	In the haze of excitement, this is being overlooked. It's still on guys, we need 5 wins out of 5 though but I don't want to jinx it

22nd April 2013, 08:28	#111 (permalink)
wr8_utd :'( Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 28,306	Could happen but really don't see us winning both our games at Arsenal and Chelsea if we've already wrapped up the title. The other 3 are winnable.

22nd April 2013, 08:30	#112 (permalink)
LR7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,638	Playing without pressure could improve the performances? Would people be playing for their futures also? You never know! I'd love us to really go for it.

22nd April 2013, 08:31	#113 (permalink)
Adebesi First Team Sub Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sanctity, like a cat, abhors filth. Posts: 8,416	I still really dont think the records matter as much to SAF as giving his youngsters some first team experience. But it would be good to win the remaining five: we have lived in Preston's shadow far too long.

22nd April 2013, 22:09	#115 (permalink)
nahealai Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Republik of Mancunia Posts: 4,132	From some of Fergie's soundbites, it appears that this is something the squad are aiming for. Four wins from four is what's needed, not beyond the realms of possibility. Arsenal away is doable, Chelsea at home should be three points for us considering Chelsea's daunting fixture list, Swansea at home is a banker as their season is finished since the end of February, and you'd back us to beat West Brom away on current form. I think we're going to do it.