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3rd February 2009, 22:06
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We are currently actually at 1182 so these are a lot closer than these idiots make it seem - nearly a match worth of time closer. For example, we would beat Abel Resino's record if we had a clean sheet against the Hammers and there was a total of 3 minutes of stoppage time across the two halves. But these idiots would be too effing thick to recognise it and most of you wouldn't recognise it either unless it was written up by Neil Custis. I am so angry I could spit nails about them pretending that these older records somehow don't count stoppage time. |
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4th February 2009, 02:49
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Isn't there an official keeper of stats? I thought Actim was responsible for all those sorts of things. Got to agree with jason that the journalists don't seem to be doing their job here though. I read an awful lot of United stuff every night and no-one seems to have a definitive answer to these latest stats. It seems like one paper says something and then a bunch of others just mimic it instead of doing the research themselves.
jason where did you get your info from on the fact that stoppage time has (or has not) been added in to these figures? |
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4th February 2009, 05:01
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Two more clean sheets and Edwin will be the undisputed goalie god. That's using the 1,182 minutes figure and Abel Renso's 1,275. VDS actually only has to make it through 64 minutes of the Fulham game to break the record.
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4th February 2009, 05:06
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where are you getting your fachts from re stoppage time.?
I notice FIFA and UEFA congratulated VDS and United on their feat and used the numbers that we have seen. Journalists have hence extrapolated using those numbers. I personally don't see how you can use extra minutes as they are meant to be time that was not played in the game for some reason or other and in fact a game is 90 minutes of play..... I think we really need to find the source of these numbers cos jason's making me doubt everybody......... |
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6th February 2009, 00:20
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The thot plickens..........
Edwin Van der Sar's record run in Manchester United's goal called into question Edwin van der Sar's hopes of breaking the British record for minutes without conceding a goal at West Ham on Sunday have been plunged into doubt with the record-holder, Chris Woods, disputing the Manchester United goalkeeper's claim to the milestone. By Mark Ogden Last Updated: 6:01PM GMT 05 Feb 2009  On the brink: Edwin Van der Sar is on the brink of Chris Woods' British record for clean sheets - or is he? Photo: PA Having eclipsed Steve Death's 31-year-old English league record by extending his Premier League shut-out run to 1,122 minutes during United's 1-0 victory against Everton at Old Trafford last Saturday, Van der Sar apparently edged to within 75 minutes of breaking the British record set by former England goalkeeper Woods with Rangers in the 1986-87 season. Woods, now working as goalkeeping coach at Everton, had his 1,196 minute clean-sheet run ended by policeman Adrian Sprott in a 1-0 Scottish Cup humbling against Hamilton in January 1987. But the 49-year-old insisted that his British record will remain intact for at least another four games after citing Hideo Hashimoto's injury-time goal, which was conceded by Van der Sar during United's 5-3 victory against Gamba Osaka in the Fifa Club World Cup semi-final in Japan on Dec 18, as the key factor. Woods said: "Edwin's achievement in breaking the Football League record last week was an unbelievable feat but, as far as I'm concerned, he is still quite a way from beating my British record. "Nobody seems to be counting the goal he conceded in Japan, but if you take that into consideration, then his run in all competitions stands at nine games or 810 minutes. "It was obviously a Fifa-recognised fixture, so I would have thought that any goals conceded in that game would count towards a British record. We are not just talking about league fixtures because my record covered both league and cup games." Domestically, Van der Sar's unbeaten run stretches back to Samir Nasri's strike in the 2-1 defeat at Arsenal on Nov 8 and bookmakers have been offering odds since early last week on the Dutchman breaking not only Death's English record, but the British mark held by Woods and Abel Resino's world record figure of 1,275 minutes. But with Woods's record relating to aggregate minutes without a goal in all competitions, he is confident that he will continue to hold a place in the history books. He said: "I should have had a bet on Edwin not breaking my record when the odds came out because he is still more than four games away from my total if you take into account the game in Japan. "He might actually go on and beat it and, if he does, then I will be the first to congratulate him, but he is still some distance away from achieving it." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-question.html |
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6th February 2009, 00:46
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Actually, thinking about it Chris Wood's has shot himself in the foot here. I didn't realize his record included cup games.
Cup games shouldn't be included in this as there are so many mickey mouse cup games all over the place. This record should be for league games only which means Wood's doesn't really have a record at all ! Different records should be kept for different competitions. That would make sense...but you can't really join the competitions together. That's unfair due to the mickeymousedness of many cup competitions around the world. So that probably means that VDS HAS THE BRITISH RECORD NOW for longest time not conceded in league games. I also doubt that other countries keep statistics of combined league and cup stats like this one. |
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10th February 2009, 00:27
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Bobby Clark adds praise from afar after Edwin van der Sar smashes his record
Simon Lewis in New York Edwin van der Sar can thank a complete team effort from Manchester United for helping him to a British record run without conceding a goal, according to the Scottish goalkeeper whose milestone the Dutchman beat. Bobby Clark, a former Scotland international, went 1,155 minutes without conceding between the Aberdeen posts in the 1970-71 Scottish first division season and was part of Sir Alex Ferguson’s side who broke the Old Firm stranglehold by winning the league in 1980. Clark, now head coach at the University of Notre Dame in Indiana, watched his record fall on television as Van der Sar and Ferguson’s United shut out West Ham United on Sunday, stretching their run without conceding to 1,212 minutes. And while the Scotsman, 63, is a big fan of Van der Sar, he was quick to recognise the players in front of the goalkeeper. “Full marks to Van der Sar, he’s a great goalkeeper, no question about that,” Clark said. “I love watching him. He does so many things very well but he’s got a very good team, the whole team, and two very good centre backs in front of him as well, and I think the whole team share in the credit. “It was the same back in 1971. We lost the league that year to a good Celtic team in the last game of the season but we had a very good team. We were very well organised. Martin Buchan was in the middle of the defence alongside a big lad, Tommy McMillan, and we were very well coached by Eddie Turnbull. It was as good a team as the one when we did win the league with Fergie in 1980.” Clark highlighted the fact that, while he played behind a back four that played together virtually every game, United have been forced to field many different permutations in front of Van der Sar. “We had a big Danish right back called Henning Boel and Martin Buchan and Tommy McMillan in the middle and then Jim Hermiston, all very good players. We didn’t have a lot of injuries and the same team would start every week. “Fergie has a depth in his squad that I don’t think any team had back then and we weren’t playing as many games. The European games were two-leg knockouts and now they have the Champions League format and you need a much bigger group. “At Manchester United, you look at the guys that are sitting on the bench. He’s got the little Brazilian full backs, and they’re just so good, and he’s still got old stalwarts like Gary Neville and John O’Shea. They just have so much experience.” Still, Clark also heaped praise on Van der Sar, giving him credit for finally solving what had long been Ferguson’s problem position after the departure of Peter Schmeichel in 1999. “Everybody plays their part in it,” Clark said. “Obviously he has to make some good saves and he made a couple of very good ones on Sunday. It’s hard to say who’s the best goalie in the world but he’s certainly one of the ones you’re going to think of. “And it’s not just his saves. Goalkeepers now have to use their feet an awful lot more with the pass-back rule and I think he’s got terrific feet. “I think the thing that made him a great signing for United is that he was a goalkeeper with great experience. The hard thing was always living up to almost the spectre of Peter Schmeichel. Everything was compared to Schmeichel and it was a lot of pressure on the younger goalkeepers that followed him. “Tim Howard is showing now at Everton that he is a good keeper, but Van der Sar brought his own experience to Old Trafford and he was able to handle it very well.” Clark also believes that Van der Sar will be able to handle the moment when the run of clean sheets finally comes to an end, as long as United keep winning. Clark finally conceded on January 16, 1971, when Pat Stanton fired home for Hibernian at Easter Road with Aberdeen finishing the game 2-1 losers. “It was disappointing to the lose the goal but far more disappointing to lose and I think Van der Sar will feel the same,” Clark said. “I don’t think he’ll mind losing a goal if United win the game, but it was a double disappointment that day.” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle5697875.ece |
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11th February 2009, 06:10
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I guess we're getting closer to an answer...........
How close is Edwin Van der Sar to a new world record? guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 11 February 2009 02.54 GMT  Edwin Van der Sar has a way to go to break the world record for consecutive clean sheets. Photograph: Michael Regan/Action Images "How close is Edwin Van der Sar to a new world record for consecutive clean sheets?" asks Ellis Roberts. Not very is the short answer, Ellis. Van der Sar's 13th consecutive league clean sheet for Manchester United at the weekend doesn't even take him into the top 10 best goalkeeping shut-outs. The Dutchman has gone 1,170 minutes without conceding, but he'll need another seven clean sheets for Sir Alex Ferguson's side to overhaul the current No1 No1. The Fifa-approved International Federation of Football History & Statistics lists the 10 best ever goalkeeping spells as follows: 1 Mazaropi (Vasco da Gama, Brazil) 1,816mins 2 Thabet El-Batal (National, Egypt) 1,442mins 3 Dany Verlinden (Club Brugge, Belgium) 1,390mins 4 José María Buljubasich (Universidad Católica Santiago, Argentina) 1,352mins 5 Thabet El-Batal (National, Egypt) 1,325mins 6 Essam El-Hadari (National, Egypt) 1,288mins 7 Abel Resino (Atlético Madrid, Spain) 1,275mins 8 Gaëtan Huard (Bordeaux, France) 1,266mins 9 Zetti (Palmeiras, Brazil) 1,242mins 10 Marios Praxitelous (Omonia Nicosia, Cyprus) 1,221mins In fact Van der Sar is currently 13th, behind Porto's Victor Baía (1,191mins) and Levski Sofia's Dimitar Ivankov (1,190mins). Another shut-out against Fulham a week today would see the United man shoot up to 9th, but to take top spot off Mazaropi Van der Sar will have to not concede until at least 16 minutes into United's away game at Wigan on 18 April. There remains some doubt over the legitimacy of Mazaropi's record, with several of the 20-and-a-bit matches he kept clean sheets in played at a regional level, but if it's good enough for the IFFHS it's good enough for us. The full IFFHS list has a remarkable rundown of the 414 best clean sheet streaks, featruring a few surprises along the way. The much maligned Heurelho Gomes checks in at No49 and at No129, while the top Englishman, after Chris Woods at No22, is the little-known Thomas Tweedle, who was not beaten for 802 minutes while playing for Union Saint-Gilloise in Belgium in 1909. Also worthy of note is Reading's brilliantly named Steve Death, whose English record, set in 1979, of 1,103 unbeaten minutes was surpassed last month by Van der Sar. Death's mark came outside of the top flight, perhaps explaining his omission from the IFFHS list. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...r-world-record ...and check out this site ! http://www.iffhs.de/ Mind you its still not clear whether its for league games or ALL games. |
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18th February 2009, 23:04
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After Fulham game.
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18th February 2009, 23:08
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18th February 2009, 23:18
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Yeah cus van der sar is good but hes a way to go before he beats Thabet El-Batal of egyptian league football fame!
Try to imagine some of the football of these games above vds, resembling non league football with virtually empty stadia in distant unknown venues. Its no comparison to old trafford etc in this day and age, give me a break. This is the premiership the highest level with some of the fastest and highest tempo football in the world. surely our defensive run must be recognised as the most impressive ever?! 
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19th February 2009, 01:20
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This clean sheet record has been really positive in terms of motivation recently. It ensures the team has 100% concentration throughout the whole game and gives everyone something to protect even when we're 3-0 up.
It's a refreshing sight to see so much effort to stop a 'consolation' goal being scored in the latter stages of a game and it seems to have stamped out any potential complacency within the side during our great run of late. Just hope it continues for a good while yet! Wouldn't want the next one to 'open the floodgates' so to speak, although we have conceded in other competitions and that doesn't seem to have affected things. |
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21st February 2009, 21:07
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How does this thing work? If it's a United record then it's over - we conceded.
But they seem intent on giving it to Van der Sar in particular, so does it continue? He didn't concede - PIG did. Seems a bit weird to award a record to Van der Sar when another goalkeeper ended it. Surely none of today's minutes should count towards his total? |
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21st February 2009, 21:11
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