REVEALED: Referee who's given Man United the most Premier League penalties

Red Dreams · 7th February 2012, 17:06

Magazine: REVEALED: Referee who's given Man United the most Premier League penalties (it's NOT Howard Webb), picture 3 | Radio talkSPORT

Proves nothing. Dean is still a crap ref.

Lance Uppercut · 7th February 2012, 17:08

You mean it's NOT David Elleray? I am shocked.

Relevated · 7th February 2012, 17:09

Clattenburg should be ashamed of himself!

Red Dreams · 7th February 2012, 17:09

I'd be more interested in which ref gave the most pens Against us.

Crustanoid · 7th February 2012, 17:10

Cue Liverpool fouling us like fuck in the box on Saturday and not getting penalised

Man-United · 7th February 2012, 17:11

Dean vs Rafael.

Giving Bellamy a penalty, when it's outside the box from Rafael in 09/10 carling cup.
Sent him off against Spurs, harsh imo.
Soft yellow after first foul against Arsenal when other players made far more and not booked.

evra · 7th February 2012, 17:12

Yes let's completely forget to look into how many of those penalties are justified, talksport is ridiculous at times.

Red Dreams · 7th February 2012, 17:13

Dowd is not awful. But he may be 'lenient' with bucktooth or protect him because our supporters are going to give him hell.

towcester_red · 7th February 2012, 17:15

What so the outrage is the one in every 3 and a bit games these refs give us a pen? The amount of time we spend in the opposition penalty area its really a non-story.

But im sure someone will get two footed in the head by Gerrard on Saturday in the area now, only for the scouse prick to get away with it.

Man-United · 7th February 2012, 17:16

Who was that ref who gave Bolton a pen at OT in 2007? Anyone remember it? Probably the softest I have ever seen.

Red Dreams · 7th February 2012, 17:18

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Originally Posted by towcester_red

What so the outrage is the one in every 3 and a bit games these refs give us a pen? The amount of time we spend in the opposition penalty area its really a non-story.

But im sure someone will get two footed in the head by Gerrard on Saturday in the area now, only for the scouse prick to get away with it.

that is the correct analysis.

Doubt the ABUs will be interested though.

Cina · 7th February 2012, 17:22

Dean has highest percentage of penalties per game in the PL anyway so it's probably the exact same case with most teams.

Snow · 7th February 2012, 17:22

Someone really made a piece out of this. The fuck.

Unam333 · 7th February 2012, 17:29

Howard Webb is one of the few good refs out there. Better than the continental refs. Don't think he's partial btw.

GE · 7th February 2012, 17:41

We won't get another penalty anytime soon after our previous 2 games.

Damien1990 · 7th February 2012, 18:06

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Originally Posted by Man-United

Who was that ref who have Bolton a pen at OT in 2007? Anyone remember it? Probably the softest I have ever seen.

Alan Wiley.

R_Kelly · 7th February 2012, 18:10

I love the use of 'REVEALED', brilliant stuff.

cw1984 · 7th February 2012, 18:23

There's no referee like Uncle Mike Riley

decorativeed · 7th February 2012, 18:25

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Originally Posted by Cina

Dean has highest percentage of penalties per game in the PL anyway so it's probably the exact same case with most teams.

Exactly. Lets have the full figures. I'm sick of these journos and websites presenting half the story.

Successful · 7th February 2012, 18:32

Pexbo · 7th February 2012, 18:34

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Originally Posted by decorativeed

Exactly. Lets have the full figures. I'm sick of these journos and websites presenting half the story.

It's a shame the media doesn't have the same duty to remain impartial that the BBC has politically. The anti-united sentiment is embarrassing at times and articles like this are bound to affect decisions we get in the future. It really is a joke.

Ish84045 · 7th February 2012, 18:47

Fuck'em & their articles. But as someone pointed out, cue all the decisions going for Pool this weekend.

Pexbo · 7th February 2012, 18:58

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Originally Posted by Ish84045

Fuck'em & their articles. But as someone pointed out, cue all the decisions going for Pool this weekend.

That's the problem though, it does affect our decisions.

What the media weren't reporting was that it was the 3rd penalty appeal before Webb gave one for us and there was another appeal he turned down before he gave the second.

If the pressure the media start applying starts affecting decisions we get then they are doing exactly what they planned. The fact is, we are an attacking team and spend a lot of time in the oppositions half and create more chances than anyone else in the league (bar city this season) that means we'll get more penalty calls than anyone else. What we don't get is more penalties than anyone else.

Chabon · 7th February 2012, 19:12

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Originally Posted by Successful

Still astonished Terry got away with this.

Hal9000 · 7th February 2012, 19:30

That article is wrong, every single ref gives us at least 20 penalties a season. The only reason we win games is solely down to dodgy biased ref decisions.

Feeky_Magee · 7th February 2012, 19:48

Last year we had the least amount of penalties as a percentage of goals in the league by a wide margin. Arsenal got over three times more penalties than us.

Denis' cuff · 7th February 2012, 20:00

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Originally Posted by Feeky_Magee

Last year we had the least amount of penalties as a percentage of goals in the league by a wide margin. Arsenal got over three times more penalties than us.

this is more like it and has been for years

the crowd will just have to be very vocal on Saturday and let the ref know they're there and let their presence known with Liverpool's physical approach

decorativeed · 7th February 2012, 21:28

Mike Dean's first Premier League match involving United was vs Fulham at Craven Cottage. He gave a penalty against us.

He gave his first penalty to United on October 4th 2003 playing Birmingham at Old Trafford. He also sent off Maik Taylor for the foul that led to the penalty. The score was 0-0 at the time and United went on to win 3-0.

His next call was to give United a penalty at Newcastle in November 2004. The score was 1-1 at the time and United went on to win 3-1.

In November 2006 he gave United a penalty in the first minute at home against Portsmouth. The match finished 3-0 to United.

In January 2007 he gave a penalty to United in the 19th minute as they played Watford at Old Trafford. The score was 0-0 at the time and United won 4-0.

Two months later he gave a penalty in the FA Cup match against Middlesbrough at Old Trafford. United scored from the spot in the 75th minute and won 1-0.

In September 2007 he gave United a penalty in the 89th minute at Old Trafford as they led Chelsea 1-0. Saha scored from the spot and it finished 2-0.

At Upton Park in December 2007 Dean gave United a penalty in the 67th minute. United were leading 1-0. Ronaldo missed and United ultimately lost 2-1.

In November 2008, Dean gave Hull a penalty at Old Trafford in the 81st minute. United were winning 4-2. Hull scored and the game finished 4-3.

In the League Cup semi-final against Derby at Old Trafford in January 2009 he gave Derby a 79th minute penalty. It was scored, bringing the score to 3-1 to United. He then gave United a penalty in the 87th minute.The final score was 4-2.

In August 2009 Dean gave United a 58th minute penalty against Arsenal at Old Trafford. They were 1-0 behind at the time and went on to win 2-1.

At Fratton Park in November 2009 Dean gave a 24th minute penalty to United, a 31st minute penalty to Portsmouth and a second penalty to United in the 53rd minute. United won 4-1.

In the first leg of the League Cup semi-final as United led 1-0 at Eastlands, Dean gave a 41st minute penalty to City following a Rafael challenge on Craig Bellamy that appeared to be outside the area. United lost 2-1.

Dean's next United game came as they took on Chelsea in a title decider at Old Trafford in April 2010. Didier Drogba scored the decisive goal from a clear offside position.

He next took charge of a Premier League fixture as United took on Aston Villa at Villa Park in November 2010. He awarded the home side a 71st minute penalty as Wes Brown brought down Ashley Young with the score 0-0. Young finished from the spot and the game ended 2-2.

In his next game two months later, United played Spurs at White Hart Lane. He sent Rafael Da Silva off for a second bookable offence.

In the FA Cup semi-final against City, Dean sent off Paul Scholes with a straight red card for a high tackle.

He gave a penalty to Blackburn in United's 3-2 defeat at Old Trafford in December 2011.

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So he's given 7 penalties against United too (including three at Old Trafford). Don't let that spoil Talkshite's story though.

mustaine · 7th February 2012, 21:34

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Originally Posted by Feeky_Magee

Last year we had the least amount of penalties as a percentage of goals in the league by a wide margin. Arsenal got over three times more penalties than us.

What can we do...

And as long as we keep winning it's not going to change. I wouldn't have it any other way

Amir · 7th February 2012, 21:36

I remember when people were upset because Mike Riley gave us quite a few penalties around 2002/03. The fact most of them were clearly correct didn't seem to matter... Love it how half arsed stats are thrown around.

Eriku · 7th February 2012, 22:21

REVEALED!

Oh really now? Where was this incredible info hidden? It couldn't be looked up by anyone?

Anyway, penalties and other weak decisions are made every season, damn near every week... People who get caught up in that really are far too embroiled in conspiracy-think.

Cutch · 7th February 2012, 22:43

What a shocker. It turns out that the ref that on average awards the most penalties in the premier league is also the ref that on average awards us the most penalties. Who'd have thought it! Good work Talksport.

MST3K · 7th February 2012, 22:55

what a shit article.

would be nice to see the stats for those refs with other teams...or would that ruin their purpose?

peterstorey · 8th February 2012, 01:11

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Originally Posted by Feeky_Magee

Last year we had the least amount of penalties as a percentage of goals in the league by a wide margin. Arsenal got over three times more penalties than us.

We got 3x more pens than you? Sounds like bollocks.

Jippy · 8th February 2012, 01:17

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Originally Posted by Pexbo

That's the problem though, it does affect our decisions.

What the media weren't reporting was that it was the 3rd penalty appeal before Webb gave one for us and there was another appeal he turned down before he gave the second.

If the pressure the media start applying starts affecting decisions we get then they are doing exactly what they planned. The fact is, we are an attacking team and spend a lot of time in the oppositions half and create more chances than anyone else in the league (bar city this season) that means we'll get more penalty calls than anyone else. What we don't get is more penalties than anyone else.

The BBC is biased as fuck. You must have listened to Alan Green on Five Live, that fucker is as partisan as they come. Look at who their pundits are- a ragbag of ABUs and ex-Scousers and Arse players in the main...

Feeky_Magee · 8th February 2012, 01:23

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

We got 3x more pens than you? Sounds like bollocks.

Yep, you got 16 and we got 5 iirc.

Aboutreika18 · 8th February 2012, 01:36

Wonder how many of those were as a result of that diving cnut Chamakh.

Pexbo · 8th February 2012, 01:38

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Originally Posted by Jippy

The BBC is biased as fuck. You must have listened to Alan Green on Five Live, that fucker is as partisan as they come. Look at who their pundits are- a ragbag of ABUs and ex-Scousers and Arse players in the main...

You quoted the wrong post, but yes I agree Football wise they are bias to an appalling extent. What I said was "politically" where they have to remain impartial and report facts rather than opinion

peterstorey · 8th February 2012, 01:41

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Originally Posted by Feeky_Magee

Yep, you got 16 and we got 5 iirc.

In the league? 16 pens (one every other game) my fucking arse.

Pexbo · 8th February 2012, 01:50

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

In the league? 16 pens (one every other game) my fucking arse.

There's 38 games in the League so it's not 1 in 2.

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* Arsenal – awarded 14, converted 11, 11.8% of goals have been penalties
* Liverpool – awarded 8, converted 6, 11.8% of goals have been penalties
* Manchester City – awarded 9, converted 7, 9.6% of goals have been penalties
* Chelsea – awarded 9, converted 7, 9.5% of goals have been penalties
* Manchester United – awarded 5, converted 3, 3.8% of goals have been penalties

It's 14 anyway. More than anyone else, although as I said above I always think it's common sense that attacking teams get penalties.

Credit to Feeky for this excelletn article he wrote:

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It is perhaps one of football’s most popular myths that Manchester United get help from referees, in the form of anything from the rub of the green to outright corruption. Not only will it be referenced several times throughout the season by rival fans, it has actually entered the mainstream media, with phrases like “you don’t get them at Old Trafford”, “if that was down the other end it was a pen” and “Fergie time” entering the common parlance of footballing punditry. But does it have any basis, either today, or historically, or both? The statistics would suggest neither.

This season, topping the league by four points after 27 games, through to the last 16 in Europe and the last eight in the FA Cup, Manchester United have been awarded 5 penalties in total – at Old Trafford against Liverpool in the FA Cup, at Old Trafford against Arsenal and West Ham in the Premier League and away at Fulham and Rangers in the Premier League and Champions League respectively. Three out of the five penalties were converted, meaning just 3.8% (3/80) of United’s goals have come from penalties this season. Of these penalties, just one, Dimitar Berbatov’s against Liverpool can be said to have been a dubious award.

Of United’s rivals, Arsenal have received a staggering 14 penalties, several dubious thanks mainly to the antics of Marouane Chamakh, almost three times as many as United. 10 of these were converted, meaning 11.8% (10/85) of Arsenal’s goals have come from penalty kicks. Chelsea have been awarded 9, converting 7, for a percentage of 9.5% (7/74). Manchester City have a very similar record to the Blues, having received 9 penalties and converting 7 for a percentage of 9.6% (7/75). Liverpool meanwhile have been awarded 8 penalties, converting 6 for a percentage of 11.8% (6/51).

To summarise the penalty statistics of 2010-11:

* Arsenal – awarded 14, converted 11, 11.8% of goals have been penalties
* Liverpool – awarded 8, converted 6, 11.8% of goals have been penalties
* Manchester City – awarded 9, converted 7, 9.6% of goals have been penalties
* Chelsea – awarded 9, converted 7, 9.5% of goals have been penalties
* Manchester United – awarded 5, converted 3, 3.8% of goals have been penalties

As you can see, the statistics are fairly staggering, especially to those propogating that United are the most favoured by referees. Arsenal have been awarded almost three times as many penalties as United, with the rest a little less than twice as many. Even more interestingly, using penalties converted as a percentage of goals scored – useful as it determines both how helpful penalty awards have been and allowing more leeway for more attacking teams possibly receiving more penalties – penalties have accounted for much significantly less of the goals Manchester United have scored in comparison to their rivals. Rounding off, penalties have accounted for 12%, 12%, 10% and 10% of Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester City and Chelsea goals, but just 4% of Manchester United’s.

“Fine”, you say. “So United are having a bad year with penalties. But I’ve heard and seen them given enough penalties over the years to know that they’ve been favoured in this department.” Do the statistics back this up?

Again, no.

As of the turn of the year, the following were the figures for the top 10 teams in terms of converted penalty kicks in the Premier League since 2003, when such statistics started being kept:

* Liverpool – 36
* Arsenal – 35
* Chelsea – 29
* Aston Villa – 27
* Fulham – 24
* Tottenham – 23
* Manchester United – 23
* Blackburn – 22
* Man City – 22
* Everton – 21

As you can see, despite generally being the most attacking team in the league, Manchester United have scored significantly less penalties than their three main rivals of this period – Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. They’ve even scored less than Aston Villa, Fulham and Tottenham Hotspur. Penalties accounted for 5.1% of United’s total goals, with the equivalent figures for Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea being 9.1%, 7.5% and 6.6%.

United conceded 13 penalties in this period – broadly similar to Arsenal’s 17, Liverpool’s 15 and Chelsea’s 12. Penalties accounted for 7.2% of goals conceded by United, in comparison to 7.4% for Liverpool and 8.1% each for Chelsea and Arsenal.

If we compare the percentage of penalties as a total of goals scored and conceded, United (5.1% scored, 7.2% conceded, -2.1%) come out worse than Liverpool (9.1% scored, 7.4% conceded, ***.7%), Arsenal (7.5% scored, 8.1% conceded, -0.6%) and Chelsea (6.6% scored, 8.1% conceded, -1.5%).

In fact, of the four major teams, only Liverpool have benefitted from penalties since 2003, ironic considering they have been most vociferous in their complaints against United. I have also stumbled across statistics for these two clubs alone since 1999, which show that Liverpool have been awarded 53 penalties to United’s 46.

Since the Premier League began, Manchester United have been awarded 88 penalties – just 4.7 per season. They have converted 66, meaning just 4.7% (66/1415) of United’s goals since 1992 in the league have come from penalties. Comparing this 4.7% to this year’s figures of Arsenal (11.8%), Liverpool (11.8%), City (9.6%) and Chelsea (9.5%), we can conclude that Manchester United have benefitted very little from penalties since the inception of the Premier League, and certainly less than their rivals.

Now that the penalty myth regarding United has been disproven, I shall move onto general decision-making. This is harder to pinpoint, conveniently relying on strictly anecdotal evidence. However, we can discuss this in relation to the current season. I have heard several times that United are lucky to be top of the league because Gary Neville should have been sent off away to Stoke and West Brom, with a penalty that should have been rewarded as well in relation to the incident at West Brom.

Whilst this is true in terms of the West Brom case, what’s forgotten is that United should have had a penalty kick in that match as well, for a stonewall handball arising from a Fábio cross. Neville was regarded as lucky to stay on the pitch against Stoke as well, but what is forgotten in this instance is that his first yellow was incorrectly awarded, after he won the ball. The referee perhaps realised this given the severity of the United protests, and thus gave the benefit of the doubt for the second decision.

Of course, incidents like Lee Bowyer’s last-gasp equaliser against United, where four separate infringements occurred – two counts of climbing, a handball and an offside – are largely ignored and instantly forgotten.

Also forgotten are the incidents last season which it could certainly be argued cost United a record four-in-a-row – John Terry’s winner at Stamford Bridge where an offside Didier Drogba dragged Wes Brown to the ground allowing the ball to reach Terry, and Drogba’s winner at Old Trafford when he was about two yards offside.

I ask those crying corruption and conspiracy to show when refereeing decisions gave United as much towards winning a league than they gave towards losing it last season.

Refereeing decisions have also hurt United in the Champions League. Ferguson’s men were cruising through against Bayern last season until Rafael was booked twice for two challenges and sent off – the first foul occurring 2 seconds after a foul on Rafael went unnoticed. In 2003, a Paul Scholes goal was disallowed for offside when he was quite clearly onside, which would have put United two goals clear. Porto equalised in the last minute, going through on away goals and subsequently winning the competition.

In the Carling Cup last season, Manchester City were incorrectly awarded a penalty for a foul outside the box. Carlos Tévez scored it, but Manchester United went on to win the tie. So whilst City supporters still moan about the injury time awarded at Old Trafford in the league allowing Michael Owen to score the winner, the penalty incident in the Carling Cup has already been forgotten. Why? Because United didn’t allow it to affect them, forgot it, and got on with the job in hand – winning the tie. This in part explains why refereeing decisions involving United are only remembered when they don’t favour the opposition, United usually go on to win the game.

One of the most commonly used inferences that referees favour United comes in the form of ‘Fergie Time’, or seemingly larger amounts of injury time played when United are not winning. Proponents of this theory will mainly point to two instances – when 7 minutes of injury time were played against Sheffield Wednesday in 1993 during which United scored twice and won 2-1, and the aforementioned incident when United scored 88 seconds after the 4 minutes of injury time that was announced against Manchester City in 2009. Ignoring the fact that that’s two instances in 16 years, both amounts of injury time were perfectly correct. In the Sheffield United game, the referee had to be replaced after suffering an injury, with the treatment and subsequent replacement lasting about 5 minutes, this on top of the usual injuries and substitutions.

In the Manchester derby, whilst (a minimum of) 4 minutes was announced, Manchester City scored after the time was awarded, and their subsequent celebration and the introduction of Michael Carrick to the game meant that the time awarded was absolutely correct. I would suggest the same not to be correct about the 5 minutes West Brom received to find an equaliser in United’s 2-1 win at the Hawthorns this season.

Success breeds jealousy, and jealousy breeds irrationality. Any inference that United are favoured by referees is incorrect. As I have shown, United receive significantly less benefit from penalties as their rivals, whilst the inevitable beneficial decisions are hyped and remembered whilst the inevitable disadvantageous decisions are forgotten in an instant. Them’s the breaks of being a team at the top. Liverpool supporters of a certain age should remember similar mutterings about Kenny Dalglish’s conquerers, the El Classico will tell you a similar tale from Spain, as will Bayern in Germany and the Old Firm in Scotland.

As long as they’re muttering dark words of conspiracy about United, Alex Ferguson can be content he’s doing a fine job. As Wilde once said “the only thing worst than being talked about, is not being talked about.”

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7th February 2012, 17:08	#2 (permalink)
Lance Uppercut First Team Regular Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NOBODY, calls Dugan a turd. Posts: 19,765	You mean it's NOT David Elleray? I am shocked.

7th February 2012, 17:09	#3 (permalink)
Relevated First Team Sub Join Date: May 2011 Location: I predicted 5 results in a row succesfully and these were United vs QPR. Arse vs City. Chelsea vs Barca and Real Madrid vs Bayern and Barca vs Real. I even got Ronnie as the match winner but still I did not recieve an award. What a shame. Posts: 6,909	Clattenburg should be ashamed of himself!

7th February 2012, 17:09	#4 (permalink)
Red Dreams First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Thunder Road to Old Trafford Posts: 23,454	I'd be more interested in which ref gave the most pens Against us.

7th February 2012, 17:10	#5 (permalink)
Crustanoid First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,588	Cue Liverpool fouling us like fuck in the box on Saturday and not getting penalised

7th February 2012, 17:11	#6 (permalink)
Man-United First Team Sub Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,602	Dean vs Rafael. Giving Bellamy a penalty, when it's outside the box from Rafael in 09/10 carling cup. Sent him off against Spurs, harsh imo. Soft yellow after first foul against Arsenal when other players made far more and not booked.

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evra First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right. Posts: 8,037	Yes let's completely forget to look into how many of those penalties are justified, talksport is ridiculous at times.

7th February 2012, 17:13	#8 (permalink)
Red Dreams First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Thunder Road to Old Trafford Posts: 23,454	Dowd is not awful. But he may be 'lenient' with bucktooth or protect him because our supporters are going to give him hell.

7th February 2012, 17:15	#9 (permalink)
towcester_red Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: wayne rooney wonderland Posts: 3,951	What so the outrage is the one in every 3 and a bit games these refs give us a pen? The amount of time we spend in the opposition penalty area its really a non-story. But im sure someone will get two footed in the head by Gerrard on Saturday in the area now, only for the scouse prick to get away with it.

7th February 2012, 17:16	#10 (permalink)
Man-United First Team Sub Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,602	Who was that ref who gave Bolton a pen at OT in 2007? Anyone remember it? Probably the softest I have ever seen.

7th February 2012, 17:22	#12 (permalink)
Cina I hate everything Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 13,939	Dean has highest percentage of penalties per game in the PL anyway so it's probably the exact same case with most teams.

7th February 2012, 17:22	#13 (permalink)
Snow First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: I like turtles Posts: 12,315	Someone really made a piece out of this. The fuck.

7th February 2012, 17:29	#14 (permalink)
Unam333 Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,650	Howard Webb is one of the few good refs out there. Better than the continental refs. Don't think he's partial btw.

7th February 2012, 17:41	#15 (permalink)
GE Captain Rio Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Greater Manchester Posts: 12,757	We won't get another penalty anytime soon after our previous 2 games.

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R_Kelly No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: How do you expect to run with the wolves come night, when you spend all day sparring with the puppies? Posts: 38,660	I love the use of 'REVEALED', brilliant stuff.

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cw1984 Compulsive wanker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Guiding Cardiff to the promised land just so I can wipe that smug fucking grin of Cider's face. Posts: 24,006	There's no referee like Uncle Mike Riley

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Ish84045 raisa84045 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: "WhatF*ckingWhat" Posts: 2,667	Fuck'em & their articles. But as someone pointed out, cue all the decisions going for Pool this weekend.

7th February 2012, 19:30	#25 (permalink)
Hal9000 Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,669	That article is wrong, every single ref gives us at least 20 penalties a season. The only reason we win games is solely down to dodgy biased ref decisions.

7th February 2012, 19:48	#26 (permalink)
Feeky_Magee First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: “They are the original colours of Manchester United and the fans wear them because they love this club. They have their reasons for doing it and we don’t think that they’re crazy. They’d like things to change.” Posts: 6,149	Last year we had the least amount of penalties as a percentage of goals in the league by a wide margin. Arsenal got over three times more penalties than us.

7th February 2012, 21:28	#28 (permalink)
decorativeed First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chorlton Posts: 6,190	Mike Dean's first Premier League match involving United was vs Fulham at Craven Cottage. He gave a penalty against us. He gave his first penalty to United on October 4th 2003 playing Birmingham at Old Trafford. He also sent off Maik Taylor for the foul that led to the penalty. The score was 0-0 at the time and United went on to win 3-0. His next call was to give United a penalty at Newcastle in November 2004. The score was 1-1 at the time and United went on to win 3-1. In November 2006 he gave United a penalty in the first minute at home against Portsmouth. The match finished 3-0 to United. In January 2007 he gave a penalty to United in the 19th minute as they played Watford at Old Trafford. The score was 0-0 at the time and United won 4-0. Two months later he gave a penalty in the FA Cup match against Middlesbrough at Old Trafford. United scored from the spot in the 75th minute and won 1-0. In September 2007 he gave United a penalty in the 89th minute at Old Trafford as they led Chelsea 1-0. Saha scored from the spot and it finished 2-0. At Upton Park in December 2007 Dean gave United a penalty in the 67th minute. United were leading 1-0. Ronaldo missed and United ultimately lost 2-1. In November 2008, Dean gave Hull a penalty at Old Trafford in the 81st minute. United were winning 4-2. Hull scored and the game finished 4-3. In the League Cup semi-final against Derby at Old Trafford in January 2009 he gave Derby a 79th minute penalty. It was scored, bringing the score to 3-1 to United. He then gave United a penalty in the 87th minute.The final score was 4-2. In August 2009 Dean gave United a 58th minute penalty against Arsenal at Old Trafford. They were 1-0 behind at the time and went on to win 2-1. At Fratton Park in November 2009 Dean gave a 24th minute penalty to United, a 31st minute penalty to Portsmouth and a second penalty to United in the 53rd minute. United won 4-1. In the first leg of the League Cup semi-final as United led 1-0 at Eastlands, Dean gave a 41st minute penalty to City following a Rafael challenge on Craig Bellamy that appeared to be outside the area. United lost 2-1. Dean's next United game came as they took on Chelsea in a title decider at Old Trafford in April 2010. Didier Drogba scored the decisive goal from a clear offside position. He next took charge of a Premier League fixture as United took on Aston Villa at Villa Park in November 2010. He awarded the home side a 71st minute penalty as Wes Brown brought down Ashley Young with the score 0-0. Young finished from the spot and the game ended 2-2. In his next game two months later, United played Spurs at White Hart Lane. He sent Rafael Da Silva off for a second bookable offence. In the FA Cup semi-final against City, Dean sent off Paul Scholes with a straight red card for a high tackle. He gave a penalty to Blackburn in United's 3-2 defeat at Old Trafford in December 2011. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - So he's given 7 penalties against United too (including three at Old Trafford). Don't let that spoil Talkshite's story though.

7th February 2012, 21:36	#30 (permalink)
Amir First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rehovot, Israel Posts: 16,092	I remember when people were upset because Mike Riley gave us quite a few penalties around 2002/03. The fact most of them were clearly correct didn't seem to matter... Love it how half arsed stats are thrown around.

7th February 2012, 22:21	#31 (permalink)
Eriku First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ørsta, Norway Posts: 8,189	REVEALED! Oh really now? Where was this incredible info hidden? It couldn't be looked up by anyone? Anyway, penalties and other weak decisions are made every season, damn near every week... People who get caught up in that really are far too embroiled in conspiracy-think.

7th February 2012, 22:43	#32 (permalink)
Cutch Shit stirrer (Literally) Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Northern Ireland. W3101, Row 29, Seat 174 Posts: 5,498	What a shocker. It turns out that the ref that on average awards the most penalties in the premier league is also the ref that on average awards us the most penalties. Who'd have thought it! Good work Talksport.

7th February 2012, 22:55	#33 (permalink)
MST3K Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: "Increase the Flash Gordon noise and put more science stuff around" Posts: 3,297	what a shit article. would be nice to see the stats for those refs with other teams...or would that ruin their purpose?

8th February 2012, 01:36	#37 (permalink)
Aboutreika18 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: You contaminated my day,ROONEY is too blunt to be a striker. Posts: 3,045	Wonder how many of those were as a result of that diving cnut Chamakh.