Rio Ferdinand

Logan! · 28th January 2010, 00:38

An unsung hero. He's been immense in the last two games and his return has coincided with two fantastic performances.

Could maybe have done better for Tevez's goal tonight, but overall it's great to have such a natural leader in the back four again.

He brings a real sense of calm to the defence and his return has also coincided with an upturn in Jonny Evans' form. He looks much more assured when alongside Rio than he does alongside Brown and the whole defence feels more secure with him in it.

Fingers crosses he can stay fit for the remainder of the season because there are some massive games coming up.

Solius · 28th January 2010, 00:40

Agreed, he'll probably miss the next 3 games now though, the bellend.

Scholesy · 28th January 2010, 00:41

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Originally Posted by Solius

Agrred, he'll probably miss the next 3 games now though, the bellend.

Ferdinand out...Vidic in...

Not bad.

Raoul · 28th January 2010, 00:42

Is Vidic definitely back for the Arsenal game ?

Ole's_toe_poke · 28th January 2010, 00:43

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Originally Posted by Raoul

Is Vidic definitely back for the Arsenal game ?

He was on the bench tonight. I see no reason why he shouldn't be.

Allforone · 28th January 2010, 00:43

Shame he had to be a bit of a twat and get a probable 3 match ban, its clear to a blind man how much stronger and far more composed our defence looks with him in the side.....makes it even more annoying that this ban was totally unnecessary.

Jonny Evans also to me looks a far better defender when hes alongside either Rio or Vidic, tonight he was excellent yet partnered with Brown hes looked a shambles at times, just hope Vidic comes back for Sunday and we don’t miss Rio to badly….

Logan! · 28th January 2010, 00:43

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Originally Posted by Raoul

Is Vidic definitely back for the Arsenal game ?

Wasn't he on the bench tonight?

OneUnited24 · 28th January 2010, 00:48

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Originally Posted by Solius

Agreed, he'll probably miss the next 3 games now though, the bellend.

Because he is challenging the charge he would face 4 games out if they still charge him of violent conduct.

Logan! · 28th January 2010, 00:51

Did anyone see Fergie's pre match interview?

I can't remember exactly what he said, but it was something along the lines of "I think he had justification for it(swinging at Fagan)."

There were rumours that Fagan made a comment about Van der Sar's wife. Could this have something to do with that?

EdWeatherall · 28th January 2010, 00:51

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Originally Posted by OneUnited24

Because he is challenging the charge he would face 4 games out if they still charge him of violent conduct.

That's far from certain, but more than likely, as he does appear to be fairly bang to rights

R_Kelly · 28th January 2010, 00:51

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Originally Posted by OneUnited24

Because he is challenging the charge he would face 4 games out if they still charge him of violent conduct.

Not necessarily, that is only if the FA consider the challenge to be frivolous.

R_Kelly · 28th January 2010, 00:52

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Originally Posted by Logan!

Did anyone see Fergie's pre match interview?

I can't remember exactly what he said, but it was something along the lines of "I think he had justification for it(swinging at Fagan)."

There were rumorurs that Fagan made a comment about Van der Sar's wife. Could this have something to do with that?

He was asked about challenging the charge and he said they were challenging it because he thought they had a case to make against it.

Logan! · 28th January 2010, 00:55

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Originally Posted by R_Nick

He was asked about challenging the charge and he said they were challenging it because he thought they had a case to make against it.

Yeah I know that, I just didn't remember the wording.

It's hard to imagine what case he's going to present to defend whacking someone round the head?

Amir · 28th January 2010, 00:57

Well, I hope the case isn't about Fagan saying something about Edwin's wife. Disgusting as it may be, it won't get him off the hook.

I wouldn't hold my breath. Having a good case is pointless when you are up against the FA. The make up their own rules as they go along. The four games out is not happening, IMO. It'll be three. Some people have jumped to conclusions. It's rare that a player receives an extra match ban. And you do NOT get an extra match ban just for asking an appeal and losing it. It doesn't work that way.

Shimo · 28th January 2010, 01:00

In the interview he said they are going to go with that they were jostling and he was being held and he tried to get free and resulted in him fling around and catching Fagan. He said hopefully they'll be reasonable and take that into account

I don't think it will wash with the FA.

But, for me based on that argument and what has been caught on tape, not sure if the FA can prove their case of violent conduct, it's difficult to see. The bias was set ahead of time with the commentators saying a punch by Rio - never was a punch. Eh can always hope but, glad to see Vida back on the bench. Hopefully he is ready for Sunday.

Edit: just listened to SAF again and he mentions that Rio was getting punched.

Logan! · 28th January 2010, 01:01

I think he'll have a good chance if he uses the Mascherano against Leeds incident as an example. For me, the incidents were almost identical, yet Mascherano received no punishment.

Solius · 28th January 2010, 01:02

I hope that isn't true that Fagan said something about VDS's wife, if he did he's a despicable little cunt. Not that we didn't already know that.

Amir · 28th January 2010, 01:02

Sir Alex feels optimistic about the outcome. He said: "If it’s a fair hearing then he has a good chance. He was wrestled and punched, all sorts of things happened to him, and he was just trying to wrestle free from it. Unfortunately for us he’s caught him [Fagan] on the back of the head. But we will contest it."

R_Kelly · 28th January 2010, 01:03

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Originally Posted by Logan!

Yeah I know that, I just didn't remember the wording.

It's hard to imagine what case he's going to present to defend whacking someone round the head?

Sorry I thought you were asking what he'd said. I didn't get the impression he was saying Rio was justified, more that they thought they had a good case against the charge. From what I've heard they are going to argue the inconsistency of the decision from the FA and point to other incidents that have gone ignored.

AttackingFlair · 28th January 2010, 01:08

Best defender in the world for me. And the Tevez goal, well he couldn't do much when he was going to head the ball and Tevez swung his boot, right?

pigface · 28th January 2010, 01:13

Rio was going backwards, not much else he could do to get his head on the ball before Tevez got there.

Tumbling-Dice · 28th January 2010, 01:17

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Originally Posted by Amir

Well, I hope the case isn't about Fagan saying something about Edwin's wife. Disgusting as it may be, it won't get him off the hook.

I wouldn't hold my breath. Having a good case is pointless when you are up against the FA. The make up their own rules as they go along. The four games out is not happening, IMO. It'll be three. Some people have jumped to conclusions. It's rare that a player receives an extra match ban. And you do NOT get an extra match ban just for asking an appeal and losing it. It doesn't work that way.

It did for Aliadiere.

Solius · 28th January 2010, 01:18

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Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice

It did for Aliadiere.

and Michael Turner.

johnmufc · 28th January 2010, 01:22

Yes, Rio was brilliant. Evans also looked much more comfortable and confident playing alongside Rio.

A fully fit and in form Rio Ferdinand will give us a tremendous boost. There's not a better central defender in the world.

Logan! · 28th January 2010, 01:23

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Originally Posted by Solius

and Michael Turner.

That was a ridiculous decision. I don't quite understand these extended bans for wasting their time. Is it not their fucking job to listen to appeals? It seems rather silly to punish people for making them do their jobs.

Alex · 28th January 2010, 01:24

He def is a quality player to have makes the backline look a lot more assured

Amir · 28th January 2010, 01:25

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Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice

It did for Aliadiere.

No. Some people are treating this as if appealing and losing the appeal means an automatic extra match ban. It is not, and wasn't in those cases. It's a possibility, but it depends on how good a case we present. Obviously, we'll never really know that.

Tumbling-Dice · 28th January 2010, 01:27

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Originally Posted by Amir

No. Some people are treating this as if appealing and losing the appeal means an automatic extra match ban. It is not, and wasn't in those cases. It's a possibility, but it depends on how good a case we present. Obviously, we'll never really know that.

Aliadiere's was a joke of a banning anyway (as was Turners) but he received an extra match ban just because Boro appealed it. He just patted Mascherano on the cheek and he went down in a heap.

gbgary · 28th January 2010, 01:27

rio back (temporarily

), vid nearly back. keeping fingers crossed that everyone can stay healthy for the stretch run.

Allforone · 28th January 2010, 01:33

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Originally Posted by gbgary

rio back (temporarily

), vid nearly back. keeping fingers crossed that everyone can stay healthy for the stretch run.

Ya never know if lady luck is really nice to us we might even be able to face AC Milan with a proper defence!!

when was the last time that happened?

gbgary · 28th January 2010, 01:37

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Originally Posted by Allforone

Ya never know if lady luck is really nice to us we might even be able to face AC Milan with a proper defence!!

when was the last time that happened?

been ages!

Amir · 28th January 2010, 01:40

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Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice

Aliadiere's was a joke of a banning anyway (as was Turners) but he received an extra match ban just because Boro appealed it. He just patted Mascherano on the cheek and he went down in a heap.

I haven't a clue as regarding to any of the incidents. But you do NOT get an extra match ban just for appealing. You could if your appeal is pointless.

In any case, this really is a weapon that should only be used in extreme cases.

Tumbling-Dice · 28th January 2010, 01:51

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Originally Posted by Amir

I haven't a clue as regarding to any of the incidents. But you do NOT get an extra match ban just for appealing. You could if your appeal is pointless.

In any case, this really is a weapon that should only be used in extreme cases.

Yes, you are 100% correct there, but what the FA deem as frivolous/pointless is down to interpretation and as we all know that interpretation will be dodgy at the best of times.

This is what happened in the Aliadiere case, taken from Wiki.

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Aliadière got a red card in a 23 February 2008 Premier League match against Liverpool, for slapping Javier Mascherano. This sending off of Aliadière (who had previously had his nose squeezed by Mascherano in full view of the referee), and Middlesbrough's consequent appeal being deemed as "frivolous" by Football's governing body, has drawn great debate. Boro's chief executive Keith Lamb labeled the decision a 'travesty of justice' and said "it seems strange that only recently Chelsea's appeal against Michael Essien's three-match ban was rejected but not considered 'frivolous'.... It appears that there is one rule for the big boys and another for the rest of us."

Meanwhile, chairman Steve Gibson stated live on BBC One's Match Of The Day that "I think they are of a level of competence which should not be tolerated at an organisation of that importance." The club received widespread support from (for example) Match Of The Day broadcasters, and fellow premiership manager Harry Redknapp added that "one gets sent off, one doesn't, and then they appeal and he gets an extra game" before continuing that "Middlesbrough felt they had the right to appeal and to give him another game - I think it's scandalous."

Gillespie · 28th January 2010, 13:25

Any idea when the decision will be announced

From what I saw of the incident, I can't see how he can avoid a ban

olesmyhero · 28th January 2010, 13:54

I don't know if he can be considered an unsung hero when he's our best defender.

Sunny Jim · 28th January 2010, 13:55

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Originally Posted by Ole's_toe_poke

He was on the bench tonight. I see no reason why he shouldn't be.

fitness?

Great Hat · 28th January 2010, 13:57

Rio was superb last night and it's nice to have that reassuring presence back in the back four. Hopefully he can help us retain some stability in defence and keep fit, as he'll be an integral part of our title challenge if he can.

Good signs though. I was impressed by how well he slotted back into the side against Hull and last night, but I guess that's what top-quality players can do.

Sunny Jim · 28th January 2010, 13:58

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Originally Posted by R_Nick

Not necessarily, that is only if the FA consider the challenge to be frivolous.

you can bet they will

gaffs · 28th January 2010, 14:01

He wasnt tested too much in the Hull game - for me, he did well in that game, but looked a litttle rusty - though thats to be expected.

Last night we was good, though far from his best.

The biggest thing about having Rio back is that whoever he plays with always plays better. I thought Evans was fantastic last night.

Heinzesight · 28th January 2010, 14:05

he'll get off...

28th January 2010, 00:38	#1 (permalink)
Logan! Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 6,128	Rio Ferdinand An unsung hero. He's been immense in the last two games and his return has coincided with two fantastic performances. Could maybe have done better for Tevez's goal tonight, but overall it's great to have such a natural leader in the back four again. He brings a real sense of calm to the defence and his return has also coincided with an upturn in Jonny Evans' form. He looks much more assured when alongside Rio than he does alongside Brown and the whole defence feels more secure with him in it. Fingers crosses he can stay fit for the remainder of the season because there are some massive games coming up.

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28th January 2010, 00:40	#2 (permalink)
Solius Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fucker shits Posts: 40,586	Agreed, he'll probably miss the next 3 games now though, the bellend.

28th January 2010, 00:42	#4 (permalink)
Raoul Administrator Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Budapest Posts: 39,793	Is Vidic definitely back for the Arsenal game ?

28th January 2010, 00:43	#6 (permalink)
Allforone First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: United could spend £85million on David De Gea, Phil Jones, Ashley Young and Wesley Sneijder. Quote: Liverpool spent £85million on Andy Carroll, Jordan Henderson, Charlie Adam and Stewart Downing. Posts: 11,646	Shame he had to be a bit of a twat and get a probable 3 match ban, its clear to a blind man how much stronger and far more composed our defence looks with him in the side.....makes it even more annoying that this ban was totally unnecessary. Jonny Evans also to me looks a far better defender when hes alongside either Rio or Vidic, tonight he was excellent yet partnered with Brown hes looked a shambles at times, just hope Vidic comes back for Sunday and we don’t miss Rio to badly….

28th January 2010, 00:51	#9 (permalink)
Logan! Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 6,128	Did anyone see Fergie's pre match interview? I can't remember exactly what he said, but it was something along the lines of "I think he had justification for it(swinging at Fagan)." There were rumours that Fagan made a comment about Van der Sar's wife. Could this have something to do with that?

28th January 2010, 00:57	#14 (permalink)
Amir First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rehovot, Israel Posts: 16,092	Well, I hope the case isn't about Fagan saying something about Edwin's wife. Disgusting as it may be, it won't get him off the hook. I wouldn't hold my breath. Having a good case is pointless when you are up against the FA. The make up their own rules as they go along. The four games out is not happening, IMO. It'll be three. Some people have jumped to conclusions. It's rare that a player receives an extra match ban. And you do NOT get an extra match ban just for asking an appeal and losing it. It doesn't work that way.

28th January 2010, 01:00	#15 (permalink)
Shimo Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,968	In the interview he said they are going to go with that they were jostling and he was being held and he tried to get free and resulted in him fling around and catching Fagan. He said hopefully they'll be reasonable and take that into account I don't think it will wash with the FA. But, for me based on that argument and what has been caught on tape, not sure if the FA can prove their case of violent conduct, it's difficult to see. The bias was set ahead of time with the commentators saying a punch by Rio - never was a punch. Eh can always hope but, glad to see Vida back on the bench. Hopefully he is ready for Sunday. Edit: just listened to SAF again and he mentions that Rio was getting punched.

28th January 2010, 01:01	#16 (permalink)
Logan! Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 6,128	I think he'll have a good chance if he uses the Mascherano against Leeds incident as an example. For me, the incidents were almost identical, yet Mascherano received no punishment.

28th January 2010, 01:02	#17 (permalink)
Solius Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fucker shits Posts: 40,586	I hope that isn't true that Fagan said something about VDS's wife, if he did he's a despicable little cunt. Not that we didn't already know that.

28th January 2010, 01:02	#18 (permalink)
Amir First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rehovot, Israel Posts: 16,092	Sir Alex feels optimistic about the outcome. He said: "If it’s a fair hearing then he has a good chance. He was wrestled and punched, all sorts of things happened to him, and he was just trying to wrestle free from it. Unfortunately for us he’s caught him [Fagan] on the back of the head. But we will contest it."

28th January 2010, 01:08	#20 (permalink)
AttackingFlair First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,037	Best defender in the world for me. And the Tevez goal, well he couldn't do much when he was going to head the ball and Tevez swung his boot, right?

28th January 2010, 01:13	#21 (permalink)
pigface Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Live football, Love United Posts: 1,197	Rio was going backwards, not much else he could do to get his head on the ball before Tevez got there.

28th January 2010, 01:22	#24 (permalink)
johnmufc More space between ears than Scholesy Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,121	Yes, Rio was brilliant. Evans also looked much more comfortable and confident playing alongside Rio. A fully fit and in form Rio Ferdinand will give us a tremendous boost. There's not a better central defender in the world.

28th January 2010, 01:24	#26 (permalink)
Alex Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ____ Posts: 42,275	He def is a quality player to have makes the backline look a lot more assured

28th January 2010, 01:27	#29 (permalink)
gbgary First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: dallas Posts: 8,067	rio back (temporarily ), vid nearly back. keeping fingers crossed that everyone can stay healthy for the stretch run.

28th January 2010, 13:25	#34 (permalink)
Gillespie Please ignore me, I am a tool Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Pitying all you northerners doomed to a life of cultural impoverishment noses pressed against the window looking at your southern betters wishing you were us Posts: 4,579	Any idea when the decision will be announced From what I saw of the incident, I can't see how he can avoid a ban

28th January 2010, 13:54	#35 (permalink)
olesmyhero Emmy Moses Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 4000+ miles west of old trafford Posts: 23,461	I don't know if he can be considered an unsung hero when he's our best defender.

28th January 2010, 13:57	#37 (permalink)
Great Hat Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Take yourself to that football ground Posts: 2,265	Rio was superb last night and it's nice to have that reassuring presence back in the back four. Hopefully he can help us retain some stability in defence and keep fit, as he'll be an integral part of our title challenge if he can. Good signs though. I was impressed by how well he slotted back into the side against Hull and last night, but I guess that's what top-quality players can do.

28th January 2010, 14:01	#39 (permalink)
gaffs First Team Sub Join Date: May 2007 Location: Moscow 08, Rome 09, London 11 Posts: 9,994	He wasnt tested too much in the Hull game - for me, he did well in that game, but looked a litttle rusty - though thats to be expected. Last night we was good, though far from his best. The biggest thing about having Rio back is that whoever he plays with always plays better. I thought Evans was fantastic last night.

28th January 2010, 14:05	#40 (permalink)
Heinzesight Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 723	he'll get off...