Rooney vs. Owen: The Dilemma to Come

ooeat0meoo · 6th July 2009, 00:19

Rooney vs. Owen: The Dilemma to Come

The news reports have reached for the obvious assertion that Owen will want to impress England manager Fabio Capello.

Fair enough, anyone could assume as much, but has anyone approached Mr. Rooney on such matters? This is in direct competition for not only a starting position with United, but with the English national team as well.

At the moment, it appears to be a far fetched scenario. We may see Ahmadinejad head of the United Nations before Owen is chosen ahead of Wayne Rooney, but you never know what could happen.

Will the past rivalries come into play? These two professional footballers have fought much of their lives for a spot on the national team. Rooney should be concerned about his occasional slumps in form or various injuries that will give way too Owen.

Let’s say that the chemistry of Rooney and Owen isn’t there. How might this effect the side that Ferguson has coddled and gone to great lengths to develop as a unified young group? Owen couldn’t possibly be more of an outsider.

There are a lot of disastrous possibilities that could cause drama in the United camp. I’m certain that this, too, merely scratches the surface of what could be.

fergieisold · 6th July 2009, 00:23

They will both make the world cup I think. But clearly Rooney is always going to be ahead of Michael because of how much more he offers to the team in terms of playmaking and goalscoring.

But it really isn't too far fetched that those too could be together in the next world cup if they do well together for United. To be honest Fabio must be extremely happy to see these two together - the advantages of two of England's strikers playing together in the same team is obvious.

Capello will be a frequent visitor to Old Trafford next year.

EdWeatherall · 6th July 2009, 00:23

Rooney is the first name on Capello's team sheet. So forget any thought of that causing a conflict. It's Heskey vs Owen for the right to partner Rooney.

samabachan · 6th July 2009, 00:26

I think Owen is quite obviously competing with Emile Heskey for an England place. No way would anybody dislodge Rooney. Smacks of panic for the sake of it this thread.

rednev · 6th July 2009, 00:27

From a United point of view, I think that Owen-Berbatov would work together wonderfully as a pair. I can't see them playing together all that often, mind - Rooney is far too important to the team. But that's not to say that he's immune from being dropped if he goes on a bad run, you never know what might happen.

As for England, obviously Capello favours Rooney over any other striker at the minute, what with him being England's best player by a country mile. I think he'll tinker with Owen, Heskey and Crouch to see who'll work best with him. But if Rooney goes through a bad spell, Capello won't be afraid to try something else - maybe a revival of the old Heskey-Owen partnership.

Mockney · 6th July 2009, 00:27

there is no competition between them...neither Fergie nor Capello will drop Rooney for Owen...no offence, but this is a completely redundant dilemma

B Cantona · 6th July 2009, 00:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by ooeat0meoo

but you never know what could happen

I really really really really really really really really really really really really do know what's going to happen! And it involves Wayne Rooneys name being the first on Capello's team sheet

Dreaded · 6th July 2009, 00:32

If Owen does nearly well enough to push Rooney from his international spot then SAF will have pulled off a master stroke.

mjs020294 · 6th July 2009, 00:34

Rooney and Owen training together everyday will be a good thing for England.

Walrus · 6th July 2009, 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreaded

If Owen does nearly well enough to push Rooney from his international spot then SAF will have pulled off a master stroke.

touché

regardless, they are pretty much as far apart as two forwards can be in terms of play style. Who is to say that they cant both play together as the first choice partnership? They could do it for club and country

uae · 6th July 2009, 00:55

Erm what?

There's no way Rooney can lose his place either for United or England. Put simply he's the heartbeat of both teams. If Owen finds form at United, it will be Berbatov who finds himself on the bench rather than Rooney. This 'dilemma' simply won't occur. IMO of course

AttackingFlair · 6th July 2009, 00:57

Dilemna? Rooney is miles better than Owen and it's gonna stay that way.

sammsky1 · 6th July 2009, 00:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by MockneyRevil

there is no competition between them...neither Fergie nor Capello will drop Rooney for Owen...no offence, but this is a completely redundant dilemma

agreed.

I do think however that Owen will get his England place back, be in the world cup squad and start with Rooney. But unlike before, Capello will build his attack around Rooney and not Owen. Which could be the making the renaissance for Owen as he wont be under the pressure that he had to handle for much of his international career.

kundalini · 6th July 2009, 01:11

Capello doesn't rate Owen. Look at the teams and squads he has picked since becoming manager. Owen has an excellent track record for England and yet Capello isn't interested; personally I think that's the right decision. Owen doesn't have enough penetration anymore to be England quality.

For Capello to change his mind, Owen would need to be putting in big performances against the other top 4 clubs in the premiership and at Champions League level. And yet these are the matches he is least likely to start as we tend to play the extra man in midfield.

ooeat0meoo · 6th July 2009, 01:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by MockneyRevil

there is no competition between them...neither Fergie nor Capello will drop Rooney for Owen...no offence, but this is a completely redundant dilemma

Well, you can go discuss this at another thread if you don't like this one. :wink:

Most of you seem to be missing my point. The primary point is that there could be a potential for squad infighting. I am more concerned about the chemestry of the squad, rather than who makes it too the world cup.

How soon do we forget how RVN didn't gel with certain players of the squad? Need i remind anyone about how Keano fell from the group? Don't know about anyone else, but Anderson doesn't seem to be the happiest camper of the bunch.

I just don't see the ego of Owen fitting with United, and it could get messy before it's all said and done.

HsJ · 6th July 2009, 01:24

Fully expect the first choice pairing to be Owen and Rooney for the world cup. Mark my words.

FlawlessThaw · 6th July 2009, 01:32

No chance. Rooney is the first name on the teamsheet for both United and England but especially for England. As rednev said I can see Berbatov and Owen working reasonably well for us but Rooney will still play and even if he went on a bad run he'd be back after just missing out on one match. Rooney unlike Tevez would never go for a period on the bench.

As for England, I don't understand the readiness to destroy what is a winning set up. England have found a good system to play in and why should get rid of it? Rooney is the mainstay behind it all and although Owen provides a good alternative he is nowhere near going to displace Wayne. I suspect the media will bang on about Owen as they have done for the past couple of years, many not realising that since Owen has been dropped England have done pretty well.

Addis · 6th July 2009, 01:36

Rooney is almost undroppable. Sometimes when he's going through he bad run of form the boss will bench him for a match, which seems to sufficiently piss Wayne off that he comes on and plays a blinder.

Pat_Mustard · 6th July 2009, 02:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by ooeat0meoo

Well, you can go discuss this at another thread if you don't like this one. :wink:

Most of you seem to be missing my point. The primary point is that there could be a potential for squad infighting. I am more concerned about the chemestry of the squad, rather than who makes it too the world cup.

How soon do we forget how RVN didn't gel with certain players of the squad? Need i remind anyone about how Keano fell from the group? Don't know about anyone else, but Anderson doesn't seem to be the happiest camper of the bunch.

I just don't see the ego of Owen fitting with United, and it could get messy before it's all said and done.

I've never heard any suggestion that Rooney and Owen don't like each other, or that Owen has ever been unpopular in the dressing room at England or for any of his previous clubs. Owen isn't contending with Rooney for a place in the England squad, he's contending with the likes of Heskey and Defoe. I don't see what you're getting at with this thread at all - why exactly does the signing of Owen pose any particular threat to our team chemistry?

Walrus · 6th July 2009, 02:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by HsJ

Fully expect the first choice pairing to be Owen and Rooney for the world cup. Mark my words.

If Owen does well for us and they form a good partnership at the club, I can very easily see this happening.

reddevilcanada · 6th July 2009, 02:35

Rooney is England's best hope for winning the world cup, Owen isn't.

I'm more worried about how having Owen in the team affect's Rooney's position, as Owen isn't all that great in leading the line. He will provide clinical finishing with is something we definitly need, provided that he does manage to stay fit.

samabachan · 6th July 2009, 02:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by ooeat0meoo

Well, you can go discuss this at another thread if you don't like this one. :wink:

Most of you seem to be missing my point. The primary point is that there could be a potential for squad infighting. I am more concerned about the chemestry of the squad, rather than who makes it too the world cup.

How soon do we forget how RVN didn't gel with certain players of the squad? Need i remind anyone about how Keano fell from the group? Don't know about anyone else, but Anderson doesn't seem to be the happiest camper of the bunch.

I just don't see the ego of Owen fitting with United, and it could get messy before it's all said and done.

Oh I get it. This is a windup.

Raven_Blade · 6th July 2009, 03:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by ooeat0meoo

Well, you can go discuss this at another thread if you don't like this one. :wink:

Most of you seem to be missing my point. The primary point is that there could be a potential for squad infighting. I am more concerned about the chemestry of the squad, rather than who makes it too the world cup.

How soon do we forget how RVN didn't gel with certain players of the squad? Need i remind anyone about how Keano fell from the group? Don't know about anyone else, but Anderson doesn't seem to be the happiest camper of the bunch.

I just don't see the ego of Owen fitting with United, and it could get messy before it's all said and done.

Nonsense

Michael Owen is not a disruptive influence. He realises what an opportunity he has been given and will be happy to play his part in our squad. Im sure between him, Rooney and Berbatov they will be able to form effective striking partnerships. Owen should also complement Welbeck and Macheda if he plays with them.

ooeat0meoo · 6th July 2009, 03:04

No it's not a windup, and I most definately hope they all play together with the attitude of the Teletubbies on Extasy. Just trying to cover all the possible scenarios. Afterall, this is a discussion forum.

Wibble · 6th July 2009, 03:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by ooeat0meoo

Rooney vs. Owen: The Dilemma to Come

The news reports have reached for the obvious assertion that Owen will want to impress England manager Fabio Capello.

Fair enough, anyone could assume as much, but has anyone approached Mr. Rooney on such matters? This is in direct competition for not only a starting position with United, but with the English national team as well.

At the moment, it appears to be a far fetched scenario. We may see Ahmadinejad head of the United Nations before Owen is chosen ahead of Wayne Rooney, but you never know what could happen.

Will the past rivalries come into play? These two professional footballers have fought much of their lives for a spot on the national team. Rooney should be concerned about his occasional slumps in form or various injuries that will give way too Owen.

Let’s say that the chemistry of Rooney and Owen isn’t there. How might this effect the side that Ferguson has coddled and gone to great lengths to develop as a unified young group? Owen couldn’t possibly be more of an outsider.

There are a lot of disastrous possibilities that could cause drama in the United camp. I’m certain that this, too, merely scratches the surface of what could be.

Owen has arrived for free and on low wages to be used as an impact player when we are creating chances and not converting them or for when starters are injury or for when we have a Carling Cup fixture. He has been signed to sit on the bench without complaining, a role Tevez wouldn't do.

Unless Rooney has a dip in form Owen's sining won't mean much as far as he is concerned. So stop worrying.

ooeat0meoo · 6th July 2009, 03:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wibble

Owen has arrived for free and on low wages to be used as an impact player when we are creating chances and not converting them or for when starters are injury or for when we have a Carling Cup fixture. He has been signed to sit on the bench without complaining, a role Tevez wouldn't do.

Unless Rooney has a dip in form Owen's sining won't mean much as far as he is concerned. So stop worrying.

Ok, no more worries.

But if Owen starts behaving like an ass, we will roast him.

Mockney · 6th July 2009, 03:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by ooeat0meoo

But if Owen starts behaving like an ass, we will roast him.

I wouldn't go that far!!

B Cantona · 6th July 2009, 03:25

Shallow fry perhaps?

Mockney · 6th July 2009, 03:29

More Half Baked....If he scores against Liverpool I might be up for some light petting and maybe some spooning, but I'm certainly not gonna roast him...at least not without a trip to Magaluf and a night on the Jager's....No matter how his 'ass' behaves

samabachan · 6th July 2009, 03:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by ooeat0meoo

No it's not a windup, and I most definately hope they all play together with the attitude of the Teletubbies on Extasy. Just trying to cover all the possible scenarios. Afterall, this is a discussion forum.

Well you must be a bit of a fucking spastic then.

I_live_cement · 6th July 2009, 03:30

Why would he start behaving like an ass though?

Mockney · 6th July 2009, 03:30

after a particularly bad Midsummer Nights Dream perhaps?

Burndogg · 6th July 2009, 03:31

Is it wrong that Owen is already my favourite United player?

Nistelrooy10 · 6th July 2009, 05:54

It will be Owen playing in front of Rooney.

If they can forge that partnership at United, no doubt Capello would try to transfer the chemistry over to the national team. If they are successful for United, they'll both play no doubt.

Wibble · 6th July 2009, 05:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by ooeat0meoo

Ok, no more worries.

But if Owen starts behaving like an ass, we will roast him.

I'm sure he would be flattered but ..........

Bearded but no genius · 6th July 2009, 06:57

LABOB on Mushrooms: The Dilemma that Is

Nathan · 6th July 2009, 07:17

Why do we always want to pre-empt a situation. Michael Owen is a striker and we need 1. Who's to say what might happen. Let's take a more positive view that this is a good deal that will be beneficial to the team.

Owen needs service and if he receives this from a number of players then he will score goals.

I think that some people expect united to be spend 50 Million on a player simply because we have the money. The fact that Madrid have spent so much over the last period creates a false impression. Everyone notice that Chelse have not been splashing the cash.

devilish · 6th July 2009, 07:26

Rooney vs Owen what's next Tyson vs Rowan Atkinson? SAF vs the Turnip?
Rooney is a much better player then Owen.

A1Dan · 6th July 2009, 10:32

"Rooney vs. Owen: The Dilemma to Come"?

Good God, I'm starting to miss last Friday and Saturday already...

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ooeat0meoo Member of the Muppet Empire Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: My Happy Place - So Don't Be Fucking With Me! Posts: 8,887	Rooney vs. Owen: The Dilemma to Come Rooney vs. Owen: The Dilemma to Come The news reports have reached for the obvious assertion that Owen will want to impress England manager Fabio Capello. Fair enough, anyone could assume as much, but has anyone approached Mr. Rooney on such matters? This is in direct competition for not only a starting position with United, but with the English national team as well. At the moment, it appears to be a far fetched scenario. We may see Ahmadinejad head of the United Nations before Owen is chosen ahead of Wayne Rooney, but you never know what could happen. Will the past rivalries come into play? These two professional footballers have fought much of their lives for a spot on the national team. Rooney should be concerned about his occasional slumps in form or various injuries that will give way too Owen. Let’s say that the chemistry of Rooney and Owen isn’t there. How might this effect the side that Ferguson has coddled and gone to great lengths to develop as a unified young group? Owen couldn’t possibly be more of an outsider. There are a lot of disastrous possibilities that could cause drama in the United camp. I’m certain that this, too, merely scratches the surface of what could be.

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6th July 2009, 00:23	#2 (permalink)
fergieisold Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,458	They will both make the world cup I think. But clearly Rooney is always going to be ahead of Michael because of how much more he offers to the team in terms of playmaking and goalscoring. But it really isn't too far fetched that those too could be together in the next world cup if they do well together for United. To be honest Fabio must be extremely happy to see these two together - the advantages of two of England's strikers playing together in the same team is obvious. Capello will be a frequent visitor to Old Trafford next year.

6th July 2009, 00:23	#3 (permalink)
EdWeatherall Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Up North Posts: 1,405	Rooney is the first name on Capello's team sheet. So forget any thought of that causing a conflict. It's Heskey vs Owen for the right to partner Rooney.

6th July 2009, 00:26	#4 (permalink)
samabachan First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watch Diver Shoot His Load All Over Your Fucking Face In The General. Now. Posts: 7,908	I think Owen is quite obviously competing with Emile Heskey for an England place. No way would anybody dislodge Rooney. Smacks of panic for the sake of it this thread.

6th July 2009, 00:27	#5 (permalink)
rednev First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: North Wales Posts: 11,530	From a United point of view, I think that Owen-Berbatov would work together wonderfully as a pair. I can't see them playing together all that often, mind - Rooney is far too important to the team. But that's not to say that he's immune from being dropped if he goes on a bad run, you never know what might happen. As for England, obviously Capello favours Rooney over any other striker at the minute, what with him being England's best player by a country mile. I think he'll tinker with Owen, Heskey and Crouch to see who'll work best with him. But if Rooney goes through a bad spell, Capello won't be afraid to try something else - maybe a revival of the old Heskey-Owen partnership.

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Mockney Figuring out how best to work within the Redcafe rules. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Inside the mind of the rich and gifted but outside of time 'till a stitch will fiix it. Posts: 9,809	there is no competition between them...neither Fergie nor Capello will drop Rooney for Owen...no offence, but this is a completely redundant dilemma

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Dreaded First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London Posts: 6,182	If Owen does nearly well enough to push Rooney from his international spot then SAF will have pulled off a master stroke.

6th July 2009, 00:34	#9 (permalink)
mjs020294 First Team Sub Join Date: May 2008 Location: 18 times, and that's a FACHT Posts: 5,619	Rooney and Owen training together everyday will be a good thing for England.

6th July 2009, 00:55	#11 (permalink)
uae Desperately wants a tagline under his name Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dubai Posts: 9,127	Erm what? There's no way Rooney can lose his place either for United or England. Put simply he's the heartbeat of both teams. If Owen finds form at United, it will be Berbatov who finds himself on the bench rather than Rooney. This 'dilemma' simply won't occur. IMO of course

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AttackingFlair Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Location Location Location ;) Posts: 4,682	Dilemna? Rooney is miles better than Owen and it's gonna stay that way.

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kundalini Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,271	Capello doesn't rate Owen. Look at the teams and squads he has picked since becoming manager. Owen has an excellent track record for England and yet Capello isn't interested; personally I think that's the right decision. Owen doesn't have enough penetration anymore to be England quality. For Capello to change his mind, Owen would need to be putting in big performances against the other top 4 clubs in the premiership and at Champions League level. And yet these are the matches he is least likely to start as we tend to play the extra man in midfield.

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HsJ Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: He's big, He's bad, He's Wesley Brown! The meanest man, in all the town! With orange hair beware!! Come and have a go if ya darreeeee!! Wayyyyyyyyyyy Posts: 4,522	Fully expect the first choice pairing to be Owen and Rooney for the world cup. Mark my words.

6th July 2009, 01:32	#17 (permalink)
FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 15,540	No chance. Rooney is the first name on the teamsheet for both United and England but especially for England. As rednev said I can see Berbatov and Owen working reasonably well for us but Rooney will still play and even if he went on a bad run he'd be back after just missing out on one match. Rooney unlike Tevez would never go for a period on the bench. As for England, I don't understand the readiness to destroy what is a winning set up. England have found a good system to play in and why should get rid of it? Rooney is the mainstay behind it all and although Owen provides a good alternative he is nowhere near going to displace Wayne. I suspect the media will bang on about Owen as they have done for the past couple of years, many not realising that since Owen has been dropped England have done pretty well.

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Addis Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Beckham, in toward Schmeichel, it's come for Dwight Yorke, cleared, Giggs with a shot! Sheringham! Posts: 2,087	Rooney is almost undroppable. Sometimes when he's going through he bad run of form the boss will bench him for a match, which seems to sufficiently piss Wayne off that he comes on and plays a blinder.

6th July 2009, 02:35	#21 (permalink)
reddevilcanada First Team Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 11,023	Rooney is England's best hope for winning the world cup, Owen isn't. I'm more worried about how having Owen in the team affect's Rooney's position, as Owen isn't all that great in leading the line. He will provide clinical finishing with is something we definitly need, provided that he does manage to stay fit.

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ooeat0meoo Member of the Muppet Empire Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: My Happy Place - So Don't Be Fucking With Me! Posts: 8,887	No it's not a windup, and I most definately hope they all play together with the attitude of the Teletubbies on Extasy. Just trying to cover all the possible scenarios. Afterall, this is a discussion forum.

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B Cantona Top of the Caf Poker Standings, Champion 2008/09 Season Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 31,991	Shallow fry perhaps?

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Mockney Figuring out how best to work within the Redcafe rules. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Inside the mind of the rich and gifted but outside of time 'till a stitch will fiix it. Posts: 9,809	More Half Baked....If he scores against Liverpool I might be up for some light petting and maybe some spooning, but I'm certainly not gonna roast him...at least not without a trip to Magaluf and a night on the Jager's....No matter how his 'ass' behaves

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I_live_cement Cat freak Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North West Posts: 10,589	Why would he start behaving like an ass though?

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Mockney Figuring out how best to work within the Redcafe rules. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Inside the mind of the rich and gifted but outside of time 'till a stitch will fiix it. Posts: 9,809	after a particularly bad Midsummer Nights Dream perhaps?

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Burndogg I lick Brwned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ❤Promote UMG◄Пошел на хуй печенье Posts: 7,634	Is it wrong that Owen is already my favourite United player?

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Nistelrooy10 First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,149	It will be Owen playing in front of Rooney. If they can forge that partnership at United, no doubt Capello would try to transfer the chemistry over to the national team. If they are successful for United, they'll both play no doubt.

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Nathan Youth Team Player Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: South Africa Posts: 370	Why do we always want to pre-empt a situation. Michael Owen is a striker and we need 1. Who's to say what might happen. Let's take a more positive view that this is a good deal that will be beneficial to the team. Owen needs service and if he receives this from a number of players then he will score goals. I think that some people expect united to be spend 50 Million on a player simply because we have the money. The fact that Madrid have spent so much over the last period creates a false impression. Everyone notice that Chelse have not been splashing the cash.

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devilish A Barbie girl in a Barbie world Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cnut's home Posts: 20,436	Rooney vs Owen what's next Tyson vs Rowan Atkinson? SAF vs the Turnip? Rooney is a much better player then Owen.

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A1Dan First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Where the goals come from. Posts: 13,313	"Rooney vs. Owen: The Dilemma to Come"? Good God, I'm starting to miss last Friday and Saturday already...