The Secrets of your demise

other red

Hiya lads... ukbob told me yous were missing me so wanted to say hiya... anyway, let me point out all that you've apparently missed.

1. Allow an ageing, obsessive and demented manager to continue ruling with an iron fist - have him piss off the club owners, the FA, the referees society, his best players and FIFA all in one season - yeah, that'll help.

2. Allow same manager to sell most influential and creative midfielder for 5 bob to a team already your superior.

3. Refuse to accept the passage of time with respect to Giggs and Keane - and blindly ignore the fact you have no replacements.

4. Surround the Neville brothers with mediocrity to show just how poor they really are. (Portsmouth, Liverpool - both the fault of GN)

5. Kid/convince yourselves that Brown, Forlan, Djemba Djemba, Fletcher, Bellion and Kleberson are TRULY Premiership quality - or indeed ever will be.

6. Blame obvious lack of quality on the ABU conspiracy theory - "everyone's against us.. waah" (p.s. first penalty scored at OT in 10 years rather suggests a bias the other way)

7. Blindly believe that Arsenal are just a bunch of arrogant thugs instead of realising that they are the new benchmark, and you urgently need to address it.

8. Play RVN up front by himself until you realise that doesn't work and then have to make do with any player who happens to not be in the champion's league. (Saha is a good goalscorer, lazy player)

9. Bring back an ailing and ageing OGS and believe him to still be capable of his 1990s heroics.

10. Bring in Walter Smith, who has the excellent pedigree of maintaining Everton (yes, Everton) in the bottom 5-6 of the Premiership.

11. Understand that with a few billion quid around elsewhere now, suddenly your buying power is inconsequential.

12. Realise that you are based in Manchester, not London, when it comes to signing world class players.

13. Hang on to Nicky Butt, cos apparently he's.. erm.. a key player... then play him as a winger.

14. Have, as your secret weapon, the embarassment that is Diego Forlan - worst striker in the Premiership who cost a cool 10 mill. (yes, I know he scored twice once!)

15. Believe that 9 league defeats is merely a blip and normal service will resume in August.


Oh, and before you say it, yes I know we're shite too, but the fact is, we've realised it and know we have to do something about it.

Time you did.

(hiya Murt)

MauritianRed

Please say hi to uncle Bob for us. And ask him to give you a good slap round yer ears for being cheeky.

Lots of what you say do make sense though.

JJ_Batchelor

Forlan, Djemba Djemba, Fletcher, Bellion and Kleberson are meant to be squad players.

Arsenal have their own bunch. Parlour, Aliadire, Wiltord, Cygan, Stepanovs, Keown etc

And Liverpool have a truck load.

Chrixgan

U may be a supporter of the Fools, but I gotta take my hats off ya, you were spot on and u got balls to get yer ass here and shove reality to our faces.

Some of us do realize what u said already, but we're hoping we don't follow the same path that the Fools did after the 90s season.

other red

Erm... 10 million for a squad player and no other obvious strikers... don't think so!

And haven't the others you mention been referred to as "the new Keane" "the new Beckham" etc???

These players were bought as replacements for the current ageing stars... if you don't see that, you're mistaken. The fact that they're not good enough makes you believe they are 'squad' players. They are not. OGS, Keane and Giggs are all in their 30s and nearing the end.... these lads you mention aren't your squad players.... I'm afraid they're your future!!

numlock

there may be some good points there but they are hidden under alot of bullshit

brown not prem quality, saha lazy and of course that super influential and creative player

Raoul

Do you ever go to CockNBull in Santa Monica ?

Number7

Well he's been doing that for years now, hardly ever effected the team before

Nobody can deny Beckham is a good player and that we miss his creativity, but we had a replacement for him in Ronaldinho. Don't blame fergie that the deal fell through.

I'd agree with that, although we are bringing in more and more young players, ie Ronaldo, Howard, Fletcher.

If Gary played for any other club, he'd be considered a great right back.

Brown is premiership class, Fletcher will be premiership class. Plus how can you call a world cup winner not premiership class when there is so much mediocre shit in the league atm. Djemba will come good imo, but we'll have to wait and see.

We don't blame lack of quality on ABU's, we blame the way every little thing we do is warped up by the media to make it sound 10 times worse.

Fair point, they have played some excellent football this year.

It will.

Some good points about Forlan and Butt.

redmad

Some good points BUT don't speak too soon, we were fine until Rio went AWOL, Summer's comin' SAF has one more chance to redeem himself, let's wait & see.......

other red

It's ridiculous to say that "how can he not be premiership class as he's a world cup winner".... the world cup is a knock out tournament, and you can end up with a world cup medal simply by being in the Brazilian squad. Do you really think they'd not have won it without Kleberson?

Because Forlan has a Premiership medal, he's "Championship" class? Of course not, but he DID play in enough games to merit a nice shiny medal his talent simply does not merit. With or without him, you'd have won the league.

If France win the Euro championship this summer, and Bruo Cheyrou ends up a "Euro 2004" winner, does that mean he suddenly becomes worthy? Of course not!

Many, many Brazilians have been proven to struggle badly in the Premiership. I know a certain Argentinian who has too... plays for Chelsea occasionally.

Number7

He must be doing something right if he can get into the Brazil team. I'm not saying he'll set the world on fire at united, but I wouldn't say that he isn't premiership class.

VanNistelrater

Lads Lads, Im shocked that you have even justified this morons ramblings by replying to him.

Need I remind you, other red is theartist of this master piece

other red

I should qualify what I mean... I don't mean simply "premiership class"... dozens of average players are clearly that... I mean "Premiership" class as in.... being insturmental in driving a team to the Premiership title.

Lil Cee

FINALLY....ive been waiting for someone to post that

Outremangeur

haha!!!

that saved my day!
(and the leningrad cowboys playing in vienna)

cheers vannistelrater

RedPhil1957

I should get back to worrying about your own team we with all our faults and dispite having key players either suspended or injured for most of the season managed to be a street ahead of the pool.

JJ_Batchelor

"Gerard Houllier has brought in his own tactical now-how. He's bought in quality players, and he has let some of the other players go."


Is This bloke Alex "Loser" Malone ?

Number7

other red

Now VanNistelrater.... let me remind you, that it was YOU who continued to send me instant messages last year, wanting to be all pally and nice... remember. I was on your 'buddy' list for AOL so that every time I came on line you could see me and send me instant messages.... remember that??

You were SUCH a nice lad back then, I thought we had a future together.... seems you're a woman scorned seeing as I didn't respond to some of your instant messages.

As for 'moron'... check back through your 85,000 posts mate... you've really talked a load of bollox now, haven't you??

And, hey, seems a lot of the lads here seem to actually AGREE with me!!

Bye for now, Van... hey IM me if you get a chance

VanNistelrater

Oh dear...

You still dont get it, do you?

But Im sure Murt will be glad at your return, I seem to remember you getting on famously with him.

other red

Ah, but Murt and I had an open honest relationship Van....

He didn't say naughty things about me, and then try to seduce me by IM now did he? Nooo.... only you did that.

And... I thought you scolded the others for even bothering to reply to me? Now you're doing it more than anyone else!

You just can't resist me, can ya Van?

Looking Busy

1) No other option. No other top name manager was available 2 years ago and who would sack their manager after the stunning comeback last season.
2) Real Madrid are now finding out about the backage that comes with Beckham and they want rid
3) We do have replacement, they just need time. Other injuries have forced Giggs and Keane to play more games than SAF would have liked
4) 2 mistakes in 40 games. I can live with that. The rest of the team have to take responsibility as we failed to score against 2 poor defenses in the games you mentioned
5) Brown definately is, Forlan definately isn't. The rest we will know once they have more games under their belt. Too early to tell
6) First penalty Scored . So it's down to bias towards us that other players have missed penalties at Old Trafford
7) Arsenal arrogant yes, excellent this season yes.
8) Scored more than 30 goals up front on his own last season
9) You'd be a bit rusty after more than 6 months out. He's got another season in him, but he is approaching the end.
10) Managing and being an assistant are two different jobs, ask Brian Kidd or Ronnie Moran
11) Everyone buying power is inconsequential compared to Chelsea. However millions doesn't guarentee trophies. Look at Madrid. No European Cup for 3 years now
12) Don't get what your aiming at?
13) We hung on to Nicky Butt because of injuries to other players, he's also played out of position for the same reason.
14) I don't recall anyone calling him our secret weapon?
15) If we'd lost 9 times with a fully fit squad then it would be a lot more serious but until we have that fully fit squad no-one can really tell.

Murt

Does he?
Hes known as the bullshitting cock around Santa Monica.

Does anyone have that photo of him handy? One sure fire way of shutting him up.

MrMarcello

I thought Forlan cost 6.9m pounds...or is our thread starter converting to US dollars?

other red

He he he !!

Murt.. I see your slogan is now referring to the magnificent Diego Forlan... I've lost count of all the slo-mos I've watched of that Blackburn miss.... You know, when you slow it down really, really slow, it shows his technique to perfection! Please, please don't sell him!

You certainly know your football mate.... are you still banging on about how fabulous Veron is too?

Hey, I see I'm as popular as ever though! Almost 600 people reading my post. That's 90th percentile in terms of popularity.

And Van.. you haven't contacted me... I'm SOOO disappointed. You're so nice and kind on instant messenger when you're not trying to act all butch and cool in front of your friends!

VanNistelrater

Christ, you keep trying dont you. Your wind up routine has got a little rusty there, fatman.

Diegos miss though, he was offside!

other red

Ah, well that makes his lack of talent ok then!

Me fat? Come on Van... I'm 13 stone of muscle. Don't you still have the pictures?

I'll be at the Liverpool v Newcastle game next week. How about meeting me for a drink before the game and calling me fat when we meet?

p.s. my original post was not a wind-up. It's only when insulting little tossers like you decide to hurl abuse around that I give your childish meanderings the belittlement they deserve.

jrsenior

Listen to this man, he knows his football!

" 3 Gerard Houllier
Gerard Houllier has brought in his own tactical now-how. He's bought in quality players, and he has let some of the other players go. He's outted the moaners, and whingers at the club, and now has assembled a tight bunch of passionate players that are so glad that they have th privelage of wearing the red jersey. He's here for the long run. He said it would take time. And it has. But he's building a formidabble team, and no doubt his man manegement skills eminate through to the players. Controlled, focussed and never afraid to air his honest views, Houllier has finally brought back the spirit of the Liverpool of old. "

Wibble

How many years into the five year plan is and didn't you predict a Liverpool domination a couple of years ago. Good guess that

mamboza

"Gerard Houllier......'s building a formidabble team"

"I.....have watched the balance of power switch dramatically (just as I predicted)..... your time has been and gone....."

by other red
Nov 2001




Formidabble my ass!!!
And your prediction....
Stop looking into your glass ball and start watching some football and may be you will be less thick.

other red

Oh yawn.... let me explain ONE MORE TIME. Go back to the original article and read the opening first friggin' lines... that say something like:

"I can't take the credit for this as I didn't write it, but...."

I posted it off another website for your amusement, but apparently you're too thick to be able to read opening lines....

Had I written it, I'd have been happy to be credited with it.

other red

Oh, but it is true that your time has been and gone! To understand why, scroll up to first post.

p.s. If you dominate the 2000s, please feel free to slag me for this prediction... YOUR TIME HAS BEEN AND IS NOW GONE!

JJ_Batchelor

Whether you wrote it or if it's your pals from the Mickey Mouse contigent who wrote it, it doesnt make any freakin difference.

Alek M

But you are falling into his trap. Fcuk all these opposing wum fans that all of a sudden are geniuses of football and know all about the fall, crumble and whatnot. Why don't you all go back to the CM and play your strategies there. You all are just a bit scared and want to believe that we are down, but the truth is, we are inches away from being invincible again.

no7z

I agree with point (2) the rest is all kind off exagerated and..bullshit

Toofy

15. Believe that 9 league defeats is merely a blip and normal service will resume in August.

I thought that Harry Kewell jioned the club which was going to cause the 'Power Shift' in the PL?

Plechazunga

While we're on the subject of being a bit thick, your first post is marvellous on the coherence front. You start off 'pointing out all we've apparently missed', but then your list appears to be a list of hilariously ironic 'how to lose ground as a football team' points - despite lacking any explanation to that effect. Then towards the end you randomly switch from things we supposedly have done ('Allow an aging SAF etc.') to things in your view we haven't (Realise you're based in Manchester' etc).

What a weak attempt at a wind-up.

So much for form...the rubbish content has been dissected well enough above.

Still, at least you know a lot about People Management...

Your final plea not to bring a comparison with Pool into it is particularly lame. You may be 'trying to do something about it' but you're not doing very well are you? Yes we've been pretty shite this season, but we're still 15 points ahead of you and in the FA Cup final. You're very poor.

As for not dominating the 2000s, we've won 99/00, 00/001 and 02/03 so far - not bad going for a club in decline.

One last thing - as a point of forum etiquette, would you mind not trying to flirt with young Van? It's slightly disturbing.

other red

He he.. good one. Got a laugh from that one.

As for a weak wind up.... yeah, you're right! But it's fun to come in here once a year with the fishing rod. It's the only place I know where the fish are always biting

Marcus

Where are you the rest of the year? Praying for a dip in United's form and another corner turn by Houllier so that you can come here and gloat? Pathetic. Show your face here all the time or not at all.

SiLeNc3r

well said