Should VDS be beaten and sunk in the Irwell?

Hapi · 25th April 2007, 08:27

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Originally Posted by One United

same, this is basically a jump on because no one has anything to say or will risk their name to talk real....VDS has been shite and you lot know it. He should be sat out and maybe replaced. You lot know that too. But you resort to online bully tactics of deflecting the issue and attacking the poster. Very chav. But none of you lot have told me why VDS should stay. Your all full of shite and you lot know that too.

There you go....

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Originally Posted by Hapi

I feel better if we have VDS in goal. Sure, he has had a few sloppy momments but Kusckazkckakkkkk does not exactly inspire confidence does he. Watch the '99 champions league final again, The great Dane had a good game but also made some mistakes that night. It happens. VDS has lost some confidence and its up to the fans to get behind him. HE IS NOT OVER-RATED. He's a Champions league winner ffs.

However if it does come down to penalties I would rather have PIG. Better shot stopper than VDS.

One United · 25th April 2007, 08:27

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Originally Posted by Hapi

It IS VERY HARD TO WIN AN ARGUMENT AGAINST THE IGNORANT.

I am the only one talking about football and VDS, you lot are all jumping on me because you do not agree but have not offered up a single redeeming thing--you think I respect any of you? Your all full of shite. Try talking like you do online to me in the pub. The issue is VDS and if he is still holding.

One United · 25th April 2007, 08:29

look I am just pointing it out as well, not being a shit until I got all the verbal. I know my team and have been supporting for some time. I am not going to be shouted down by some online firm that does not like what I have to say.

Hapi · 25th April 2007, 08:30

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Originally Posted by One United

look I am just pointing it out as well, not being a shit until I got all the verbal. I know my team and have been supporting for some time. I am not going to be shouted down by some online firm that does not like what I have to say.

Ok....so you would rather have PIG?

SmashedHombre · 25th April 2007, 08:34

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Originally Posted by One United

same, this is basically a jump on because no one has anything to say or will risk their name to talk real....VDS has been shite and you lot know it. He should be sat out and maybe replaced. You lot know that too. But you resort to online bully tactics of deflecting the issue and attacking the poster. Very chav. But none of you lot have told me why VDS should stay. Your all full of shite and you lot know that too.

Since you have so far spent this entire thread insulting everyone its quite understandable that we would do the same. So I will. You're a feckin imbecile you really are. Maybe you're just on a wind up, maybe your time away from Old Trafford has dulled your common sense, I don't know. If you can't see why VDS is so important to the team then there really is no hope. But I will do my best, although I fear it may be like teaching mathematics to a lump of rock.

Edwin is one of the most experienced keeprs in the world. For the majority of this season and last he has been an absolute revelation. You can see that from the new found assuredness it the defence, they trust him and rightly so. So he has had a few bad games, you seem to be conveniently forgetting the 95 % of good games he has had for us. Last year he probably saves us a good 10 points and was one is one of the main reasons behind our new found form and current position in the league and champions league. So he was out injured and has come back a little bit shakey? Big feckin' deal it happens to most players. You think it was his choice to come back so early? Or are you just using that as another weapon in your so far incedibly feeble artillery. Ultimately Fergie has the final say on this, and there is a damn good reason he wanted Edwin back so soon- he is one of the best keepers in the league, if not the world.

Your argument for playing PIG is laughable and is the main reason why no one is bothering to take you seriously. 'I mean why not?' What the hell kind of argument is that. Either you don't realize the importance of having a vastly experienced keeper between the sticks or you have some sort of personal vendetta against VDS. And especially now with our reformed backline. VDS' command of his area is invaluable right now. Our defence is shot to pieces, we have players playing out of position and you want to drop our most experienced player in the backline for an untried, inexperienced goalie.

Mong.

One United · 25th April 2007, 08:34

yes I would. I think VDS is going to bottle

samabachan · 25th April 2007, 08:43

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Originally Posted by One United

yes I would. I think VDS is going to bottle

Champions League winner back when it was actually hard. Bottler....

SiYuan · 25th April 2007, 08:44

The only way to take the consistency out of a keeper is to change them all the time.

We did so for Howard and Carroll. Both not that good as keeper. But not that bad either.

If you switched Pig and VDS it'll go downhill from there.

One United · 25th April 2007, 08:46

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Originally Posted by SmashedHombre

Since you have so far spent this entire thread insulting everyone its quite understandable that we would do the same. So I will. You're a feckin imbecile you really are. Maybe you're just on a wind up, maybe your time away from Old Trafford has dulled your common sense, I don't know. If you can't see why VDS is so important to the team then there really is no hope. But I will do my best, although I fear it may be like teaching mathematics to a lump of rock.

Edwin is one of the most experienced keeprs in the world. For the majority of this season and last he has been an absolute revelation. You can see that from the new found assuredness it the defence, they trust him and rightly so. So he has had a few bad games, you seem to be conveniently forgetting the 95 % of good games he has had for us. Last year he probably saves us a good 10 points and was one is one of the main reasons behind our new found form and current position in the league and champions league. So he was out injured and has come back a little bit shakey? Big feckin' deal it happens to most players. You think it was his choice to come back so early? Or are you just using that as another weapon in your so far incedibly feeble artillery. Ultimately Fergie has the final say on this, and there is a damn good reason he wanted Edwin back so soon- he is one of the best keepers in the league, if not the world.

Your argument for playing PIG is laughable and is the main reason why no one is bothering to take you seriously. 'I mean why not?' What the hell kind of argument is that. Either you don't realize the importance of having a vastly experienced keeper between the sticks or you have some sort of personal vendetta against VDS. And especially now with our reformed backline. VDS' command of his area is invaluable right now. Our defence is shot to pieces, we have players playing out of position and you want to drop our most experienced player in the backline for an untried, inexperienced goalie.

Mong.

Glad you took the time to write that, Smashed. I have responded to each comment turned my way. I have not been aggressive in any way. VDS is looking like he is going to bottle the season. His judgement of depth has been poor, his positioning is questionable at times. He makes some great saves and then lets in a dribble like today. I do not trust him between the poles and yes would rather go back to the spirit of 99 which I hear you lot laud on about comparing this season to though they have nothing in common. If my first string is not working or injured I will reach to my subs, we have been forced to do it and seen JOS and Fletch shine. Why so hesitant about Kuzz? I can't spell his name so will not embarrass myself trying to type it. VDS is shot. He is fucking up. Can you not see that? Are you so Red blind you cannot see he is pretty dodgey? He is overrated at this point in the season and looks arthritic rather than lithe in responding to strikes. Now if you cannot see that who is the muppet. Getting behind the club is one thing and talking shite another. Fucking replace him he is spent. As for all the offside comments, who cares...the thread is about VDS and that is all I am discussing. Who cares if you do not like it. It is a concern.

One United · 25th April 2007, 08:48

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Originally Posted by SiYuan

The only way to take the consistency out of a keeper is to change them all the time.

We did so for Howard and Carroll. Both not that good as keeper. But not that bad either.

If you switched Pig and VDS it'll go downhill from there.

not sure about that...VDS is looking bleary in there like he is on medication

One United · 25th April 2007, 08:49

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Originally Posted by samabachan

Champions League winner back when it was actually hard. Bottler....

Pompey? West Ham? he had a good run he is shell shocked
DONE

One United · 25th April 2007, 08:53

Do any of you really see him at United next season after his recent form?

SmashedHombre · 25th April 2007, 08:54

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Originally Posted by One United

Glad you took the time to write that, Smashed. I have responded to each comment turned my way. I have not been aggressive in any way. VDS is looking like he is going to bottle the season. His judgement of depth has been poor, his positioning is questionable at times. He makes some great saves and then lets in a dribble like today. I do not trust him between the poles and yes would rather go back to the spirit of 99 which I hear you lot laud on about comparing this season to though they have nothing in common. If my first string is not working or injured I will reach to my subs, we have been forced to do it and seen JOS and Fletch shine. Why so hesitant about Kuzz? I can't spell his name so will not embarrass myself trying to type it. VDS is shot. He is fucking up. Can you not see that? Are you so Red blind you cannot see he is pretty dodgey? He is overrated at this point in the season and looks arthritic rather than lithe in responding to strikes. Now if you cannot see that who is the muppet. Getting behind the club is one thing and talking shite another. Fucking replace him he is spent. As for all the offside comments, who cares...the thread is about VDS and that is all I am discussing. Who cares if you do not like it. It is a concern.

VDS is not shot. You are judging him on a few games. There was nothing he could have done about the second goal and the first goal he was extremely unlucky for. Even the pundits pointed out that if Kaka had shot a fraction of a second later VDS would have saved it. VDS's feat were off the ground just as Kaka shot and it was impossible for him to reposition himself. It was unlucky, that is all. Maybe he could have done better, but not by much, Kaka's shot was inch perfect not many would have saved that.

And your reference to him taking out Heinze, I'm assuming you meant when Heinze jumped over him and ended up landing on his shoulder? Because that was a very good piece of goal keeping. Fast off his line and very brave.

Mialn are one of the biggets names in European football, yet there number one looked far more shakey than VDS. I would pick VDS over 99% of keepers in Europe. Only Cech and Buffon are noticably better keepers. Given is a good shot stopper, as is Boltons kepper whose name I cant spell. But so Was Caroll. And Barthez. But in terms of experience, confidence in the air and decision making VDS is amongst the best. He may not always make the flashiest saves or save the impossible shots, but he is solid and that is something we have been missing between the sticks since the great Dane himself

trimmtrabb · 25th April 2007, 08:55

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Originally Posted by One United

yeah yeah yeah...so you lot support this cunt? He has been a clown show for the last 4 matches he has played and only our attack has saved us. You can take him and Rio and shove them firmly up your ass. They both will be happy there because they both stink of shite when they play.

OK! New policy! If a player has 4 (four) games in a period of time, at the end of a season where we're fighting on three fronts, where he makes a couple of errors (regardless of what else he's does in said matches), some of which are due to a defence in front of him thats torn appart by injury, then he should be STONED and MURDERED. Then dropped. Twice. From a plane.

Hurrah!

My god, some people know how to be reactionary. And ignore the fact he's not got the center back partnership infront of him he's been used to all season. Which obviously will lead to a few troubles, especially given the fact that whatever anyone says, Gabby blatantly isn't a Vidic or Rio when it comes to reliability and predictibility for the keeper in the center. I don't think PIG looked any more solid when he's been in the team this season, though I've no worries if he's called upon, and when it comes to this end of the season I want as many people in the team who have won it all to help the others along.

VDS = that.

SmashedHombre · 25th April 2007, 08:55

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Originally Posted by One United

Do any of you really see him at United next season after his recent form?

Yes. Did you doubt Rooney earlier in the season because of his poor form? Or Giggs last season?

Uzi · 25th April 2007, 08:56

welll, guys t be fair i have noticed it as well. Edwins performances are getting a bit edgy now as compared to when he first signed for us. However the notion that he's past it and is shite now is only a narrow minded approach. And it's only oen fo a handful of explanations.

He's played close to sixty games this season, he's not a spring chicken no more at the age of 36/37 now is he>?< The season is going to have some serous effects on him man, he'll be collecting his pension before long with a giro slip. lol.

Then next his age, reflexes and stuff not as they used to be/ bollox excuse. edwin wasn't shite y'day., kaka's first goal was sheer class... he noticed edwin took a split half second longer to position himself and kaka tapped it in while he was doing so...

I feel he just needs a good rest which he can't get at this important part of the season. He IS the best keeper since The Great Dane.

To those who think he's had it, would you rather have Thomaz in goal than him in the CL final? *dum dum dum dummm*

One United · 25th April 2007, 09:05

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Originally Posted by SmashedHombre

VDS is not shot. You are judging him on a few games. There was nothing he could have done about the second goal and the first goal he was extremely unlucky for. Even the pundits pointed out that if Kaka had shot a fraction of a second later VDS would have saved it. VDS's feat were off the ground just as Kaka shot and it was impossible for him to reposition himself. It was unlucky, that is all. Maybe he could have done better, but not by much, Kaka's shot was inch perfect not many would have saved that.

And your reference to him taking out Heinze, I'm assuming you meant when Heinze jumped over him and ended up landing on his shoulder? Because that was a very good piece of goal keeping. Fast off his line and very brave.

Mialn are one of the biggets names in European football, yet there number one looked far more shakey than VDS. I would pick VDS over 99% of keepers in Europe. Only Cech and Buffon are noticably better keepers. Given is a good shot stopper, as is Boltons kepper whose name I cant spell. But so Was Caroll. And Barthez. But in terms of experience, confidence in the air and decision making VDS is amongst the best. He may not always make the flashiest saves or save the impossible shots, but he is solid and that is something we have been missing between the sticks since the great Dane himself

Excellent point and well made. I am still hesitant Smashed. He has a very confused look in his eye in there and I am not confident to let him finish the season. I do not mind trying out Kuzz, I think we should. Foster is going to play a bigger role next year and we all know it. VDS is on yearly contract. He just is not a cat in front of the net and you have to admit he was kicked at most of the Roma strikes and even almost cost us with a punch out again there. But I am talking football here and am a bit confused why I had to wade through being called a muppet and the shite to get you to post a fucking decent reply. I am on here to talk football and VDS is not just a concern of mine I assure you. It is a real viable debate. Trying to shout me down is just uncool and unneccesary. I love my club and want what is best for the club. VDS is really looking like old Fabio right now and scaring the fuck out of me. I love my club, Smashed. Don't treat me like I do not.

One United · 25th April 2007, 09:09

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Originally Posted by SiYuan

One should always help the retards, Smashed.

your a smug little chav....nothing contributed to the debate but still judging....lovely waste

One United · 25th April 2007, 09:10

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Originally Posted by Uzi

welll, guys t be fair i have noticed it as well. Edwins performances are getting a bit edgy now as compared to when he first signed for us. However the notion that he's past it and is shite now is only a narrow minded approach. And it's only oen fo a handful of explanations.

He's played close to sixty games this season, he's not a spring chicken no more at the age of 36/37 now is he>?< The season is going to have some serous effects on him man, he'll be collecting his pension before long with a giro slip. lol.

Then next his age, reflexes and stuff not as they used to be/ bollox excuse. edwin wasn't shite y'day., kaka's first goal was sheer class... he noticed edwin took a split half second longer to position himself and kaka tapped it in while he was doing so...

I feel he just needs a good rest which he can't get at this important part of the season. He IS the best keeper since The Great Dane.

To those who think he's had it, would you rather have Thomaz in goal than him in the CL final? *dum dum dum dummm*

you may be the voice of reason in this whole thread mate

Small Paul · 25th April 2007, 09:13

spastic.

Trippin_Stoned · 25th April 2007, 09:20

Firstly, Edwin as done a couple of mistakes in recent weeks. Everyone can see that. Maybe suffering from a lack of form. Although he has done some good saves in the same game where his made the mistakes.

On to the Milan game, Kaka's first goal wasn't a mistake in my opinion. He was setting his feet just as Kaka shot, thats why you get told to shoot early and don't give the keeper a chance. Which is was Kaka did.

Now, I wouldn't take him out of the team. He has valuable experience which can only help our depleted defence. So I see no reason why we'd want to risk changing keepers at the business end of the season.

In conclusion, One Untied hasn't got a fucking clue.

SmashedHombre · 25th April 2007, 09:23

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Originally Posted by One United

Excellent point and well made. I am still hesitant Smashed. He has a very confused look in his eye in there and I am not confident to let him finish the season. I do not mind trying out Kuzz, I think we should. Foster is going to play a bigger role next year and we all know it. VDS is on yearly contract. He just is not a cat in front of the net and you have to admit he was kicked at most of the Roma strikes and even almost cost us with a punch out again there. But I am talking football here and am a bit confused why I had to wade through being called a muppet and the shite to get you to post a fucking decent reply. I am on here to talk football and VDS is not just a concern of mine I assure you. It is a real viable debate. Trying to shout me down is just uncool and unneccesary. I love my club and want what is best for the club. VDS is really looking like old Fabio right now and scaring the fuck out of me. I love my club, Smashed. Don't treat me like I do not.

Fair do's, I apolgise for insulting you then, I over reacted. To be honest I only glanced over the thread and thought you were another poster on a wind up. God knows we get enough of them on this place. I suppose I can see where you are coming from, he has looked a bit uncomfortable recently. Although if I played in goal and I had just been rushed back after breaking my nose I would probably be a bit worried. I think yesterday VDS had a solid, if not good game though. Amazing how different people can view the same matches from different persepctives, but I suppose thats all part of the banter around football. It would be boring if everyone thought the same.

VDS did save us a good 10 points last season though and he has put in a lot of very good performances for most of this season. I understand your worries about him getting on. We have all had to live with error prone goalies since the departure of Schmikes. I can also relate to your worry about his mistakes, having seen United knocked out of Europe countless times from goalkeeping errors. It can get very frustrating. But I honestly belive Edwin is a very good keeper, hes not as young as he used to be but I think its too early to be writing him off. I would rather have him in goal than any of our current keepers. Its too early for Foster and I am not confident on PIG, he looks far more uncertain than VDS to me.

One United · 25th April 2007, 09:23

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Originally Posted by Small Paul

spastic.

I think from what I have seen here on this thread you lot are as hardcore as a jelly donut and I wager that none of you have supported United before 99. I am being critical of a player and will continue to. VDS is playing dodgey and I would not trust him to watch my bike at a corner store let alone my net in 3 campaigns for cups. You redder than thous, you are a proper laugh. Your the new ignorant United support...a product of the megastore and replica shirts and news from tribal football. You have never actually supported a lean period like the 80's. And the comments like spastic...and muppet...so brilliant. True football support that. I would almost want me to rip the tattoo off my arm knowing cunts like you are among the worthy. Try something else like field hockey son, your too weak for football.

One United · 25th April 2007, 09:33

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Originally Posted by SmashedHombre

Yes. Did you doubt Rooney earlier in the season because of his poor form? Or Giggs last season?

not at all. Sorry a striker making assists instead of scoring is a bit different from a keeper that is afraid of stopping the ball.

One United · 25th April 2007, 09:35

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Originally Posted by SmashedHombre

Fair do's, I apolgise for insulting you then, I over reacted. To be honest I only glanced over the thread and thought you were another poster on a wind up. God knows we get enough of them on this place. I suppose I can see where you are coming from, he has looked a bit uncomfortable recently. Although if I played in goal and I had just been rushed back after breaking my nose I would probably be a bit worried. I think yesterday VDS had a solid, if not good game though. Amazing how different people can view the same matches from different persepctives, but I suppose thats all part of the banter around football. It would be boring if everyone thought the same.

VDS did save us a good 10 points last season though and he has put in a lot of very good performances for most of this season. I understand your worries about him getting on. We have all had to live with error prone goalies since the departure of Schmikes. I can also relate to your worry about his mistakes, having seen United knocked out of Europe countless times from goalkeeping errors. It can get very frustrating. But I honestly belive Edwin is a very good keeper, hes not as young as he used to be but I think its too early to be writing him off. I would rather have him in goal than any of our current keepers. Its too early for Foster and I am not confident on PIG, he looks far more uncertain than VDS to me.

actually I have reread your posts too and you make a lot of sense. Not trying to be offensive just trying to point out that he is not especially shining in our run at the cups and venting a bit too. I mean, I don;t mind all the abuse I kind of expected it but I was just dishing it back not trying to start it.

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One United Youth Team Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 344	look I am just pointing it out as well, not being a shit until I got all the verbal. I know my team and have been supporting for some time. I am not going to be shouted down by some online firm that does not like what I have to say.

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One United Youth Team Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 344	yes I would. I think VDS is going to bottle

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SiYuan Cafe Grandmaster 2008 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Where Crouch is a Midget. Posts: 6,913	The only way to take the consistency out of a keeper is to change them all the time. We did so for Howard and Carroll. Both not that good as keeper. But not that bad either. If you switched Pig and VDS it'll go downhill from there.

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One United Youth Team Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 344	Do any of you really see him at United next season after his recent form?

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Uzi Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hates "Twats" Posts: 1,194	welll, guys t be fair i have noticed it as well. Edwins performances are getting a bit edgy now as compared to when he first signed for us. However the notion that he's past it and is shite now is only a narrow minded approach. And it's only oen fo a handful of explanations. He's played close to sixty games this season, he's not a spring chicken no more at the age of 36/37 now is he>?< The season is going to have some serous effects on him man, he'll be collecting his pension before long with a giro slip. lol. Then next his age, reflexes and stuff not as they used to be/ bollox excuse. edwin wasn't shite y'day., kaka's first goal was sheer class... he noticed edwin took a split half second longer to position himself and kaka tapped it in while he was doing so... I feel he just needs a good rest which he can't get at this important part of the season. He IS the best keeper since The Great Dane. To those who think he's had it, would you rather have Thomaz in goal than him in the CL final? dum dum dum dummm

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Trippin_Stoned Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,802	Firstly, Edwin as done a couple of mistakes in recent weeks. Everyone can see that. Maybe suffering from a lack of form. Although he has done some good saves in the same game where his made the mistakes. On to the Milan game, Kaka's first goal wasn't a mistake in my opinion. He was setting his feet just as Kaka shot, thats why you get told to shoot early and don't give the keeper a chance. Which is was Kaka did. Now, I wouldn't take him out of the team. He has valuable experience which can only help our depleted defence. So I see no reason why we'd want to risk changing keepers at the business end of the season. In conclusion, One Untied hasn't got a fucking clue.

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