So, Tom Cleverley then

gambit28 · 6th February 2012, 16:33

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Originally Posted by MST3K

Good point though Giggs lasted the whole game didn't he? Not that he can't start every week but Fergie is very careful with his minutes.

Is that like an orange deal, does he get 2 for 1 cinema tickets on a wednesday?

giggs-beckham · 6th February 2012, 16:36

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Originally Posted by RyanGoggs

It's amazing how the view of Carrick has completely reversed in a couple of months

It's amazing how his form has reversed also eh?

Moonwalker · 6th February 2012, 17:08

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Originally Posted by giggs-beckham

It's amazing how his form has reversed also eh?

But there's a subtle difference between people who have acknowledged that he's a good footballer, who needs to get back to his best, when he didn't perform as well as he can, on one hand.

And the mob that wanted him jettisoned, on the other.

"He's only recently picked up form", is not much of an argument for the latter.

Pogue Mahone · 6th February 2012, 17:12

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Originally Posted by Moonwalker

But there's a subtle difference between people who have acknowledged that he's a good footballer, who needs to get back to his best, when he didn't perform as well as he can, on one hand.

And the mob that wanted him jettisoned, on the other.

"He's only recently picked up form", is not much of an argument for the latter.

Indeed. Not least because it's factually incorrect. He's been arguably our most consistently effective player since the beginning of November, four months ago.

noodlehair · 6th February 2012, 17:18

Carrick was playing well in a lot of games last season and getting the usual abuse on here regardless. He seemed to get the blame for the shape and approach we took in games last season, despite him often being the one actually holding things together.

Thought he started this season quite poorly, but it was still a case of one good game followed by a bad one, rather than him just being continiously hopeless as seemed to be the popular belief.

He's been fantastic for a few months now though. Our best player consistency wise and probably the best he's played for us apart from maybe his first season.

GE · 6th February 2012, 17:18

I hope his return doesn't push Pogba down the pecking order, which would probably lead to a transfer in the summer.

Edmeiste · 6th February 2012, 17:43

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Originally Posted by GE

I hope his return doesn't push Pogba down the pecking order, which would probably lead to a transfer in the summer.

I think Pogba will stay. It's a matter of working out things with his agent which I think will eventually be resolved. As long as he gets the odd cameo, that should be enough. He's on the fringes of being established in the first team and he knows that. I dont see why he'd want to leave if he's close to making a name for himself. I dont think he'll have to wait that long either. It's not the same as Ravel's situation.

RyanGoggs · 6th February 2012, 17:48

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Originally Posted by Edmeiste

I think Pogba will stay. It's a matter of working out things with his agent which I think will eventually be resolved. As long as he gets the odd cameo, that should be enough. He's on the fringes of being established in the first team and he knows that. I dont see why he'd want to leave if he's close to making a name for himself. I dont think he'll have to wait that long either. It's not the same as Ravel's situation.

Also Pogba is appearing for the first team bench on a much more regular basis. He may well have appeared against chelsea if it were not for us getting back into the game, if we were three down with 15 mins left then Ferguson may have been tempted to bring him on.

He is so close to making it here that any move away just doesn't make sense. City have more options than us in midfield, a move to Italy would be counter intuitive as they don't really utilise youth over there and anyone like arsenal would be a step backwards with no guarantee of regular games.

Rowem · 8th February 2012, 09:26

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Originally Posted by Floyd

I actually think Fergie won't buy a CM this summer either.

If Cleverley can prove his early season form was just not a blast, with Scholes back with Pogba lurking around, Fergie just might drive the Caf's transfer mongs crazy again.

Who can he actually buy? I can't think of anybody. Not that I know anything outside of Premier League.

I can only foresee us not signing a CM if Scholes and/or Giggs play on for another and Fletcher comes back free from illness.

gambit28 · 8th February 2012, 09:31

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Originally Posted by Rowem

I can only foresee us not signing a CM if Scholes and/or Giggs play on for another and Fletcher comes back free from illness.

We won't sign a midfielder.

Sunny Jim · 8th February 2012, 09:32

did Tom play for the reserves on Monday?

anver · 8th February 2012, 09:34

Even if Scholes and Giggs retire,I dont foresee us buying this summer, if Cleverley and co step up; and if Pogba is given playing time, he will grab the opportunity, and that could make things more exciting next season.

gambit28 · 8th February 2012, 09:36

We'll sign a winger.

LLMU · 8th February 2012, 09:49

i still think we will get a midfielder in the summer, someone with experienced

RDCR07 · 8th February 2012, 09:49

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Originally Posted by LLMU

i still think we will get a midfielder in the summer, someone with experienced

Someone with experienced what?

LLMU · 8th February 2012, 09:55

Modric i presume

marjen · 8th February 2012, 10:03

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Originally Posted by Sunny Jim

did Tom play for the reserves on Monday?

Game postponed till tomorrow at 1 PM. Live on MUTV, reckon he'll start.

Sunny Jim · 8th February 2012, 12:31

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Originally Posted by marjen

Game postponed till tomorrow at 1 PM. Live on MUTV, reckon he'll start.

cheers mate

Maciek · 8th February 2012, 12:32

It's against City now, not Chelsea.

jeston · 8th February 2012, 12:32

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Originally Posted by marjen

Game postponed till tomorrow at 1 PM. Live on MUTV, reckon he'll start.

Wasn't postponed, Monday was meant to be Chelsea, tomorrow is City

marjen · 8th February 2012, 12:42

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Originally Posted by jeston

Wasn't postponed, Monday was meant to be Chelsea, tomorrow is City

Ah, okay.

Renties are renties, though, ey?

scream · 8th February 2012, 12:50

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Originally Posted by marjen

Game postponed till tomorrow at 1 PM. Live on MUTV, reckon he'll start.

I'm working when that's on, I'll have to record it.

SharkyMcShark · 10th February 2012, 09:44

nickcoppack Nick Coppack
Sir Alex has confirmed Tom Cleverley will be involved in some capacity against Liverpool.

Good.

Denis' cuff · 10th February 2012, 09:53

doesn't mean he will though - on the other hand wouldn't surprise if he started him. As usual, expect the unexpected. I know that's a load of nowt but that's Fergie these days.

Cina · 10th February 2012, 09:56

Be a bit mental to start him. Bring him on as a sub if we need to up the tempo maybe.

gambit28 · 10th February 2012, 10:07

He's almost back, brilliant. I for one can't wait.

Plan M · 10th February 2012, 10:09

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Originally Posted by RDCR07

Someone with experienced what?

kouroux · 10th February 2012, 10:10

Excellent news.Step by step we're recovering some players

RedSky At Night · 10th February 2012, 10:33

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Originally Posted by gambit28

He's almost back, brilliant. I for one can't wait.

Neither can I, let the ***ping begin!

Red Pavan · 10th February 2012, 10:38

If he is fit to start, fergie won't mind starting him. As seen with Young last week..

Escobar · 10th February 2012, 10:57

I can see him replacing Scholes after 60 or 70 mins or so, no matter of the score

Sultan · 10th February 2012, 11:04

All of a sudden our midfield looks decent. Potential to look world class if Cleverley, and Pogba fulfil their vast potential, and Carrick maintains his form.

Pexbo · 10th February 2012, 11:38

Carrick - Scholes - Cleverley

With Giggs for Scholes on 60min.

Please.

Cina · 10th February 2012, 11:47

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Originally Posted by Sultan

All of a sudden our midfield looks decent. Potential to look world class if Cleverley, and Pogba fulfil their vast potential, and Carrick maintains his form.

All ifs and buts when it comes to our current midfield.

gambit28 · 10th February 2012, 11:53

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Originally Posted by Cina

All ifs and buts when it comes to our current midfield.

As long as were still winning medals until the ifs and buts are answered I'll be a happy man.

towcester_red · 10th February 2012, 11:57

Good news.

People need to remind that he is a still relatively inexperienced young lad with potential, not the saviour.

Jaap · 10th February 2012, 11:58

Cracking news!

championo · 10th February 2012, 11:58

Prayer is that he makes it out unscathed if he comes into the game. Lately we get players back and then they re-injure again.

giggs-beckham · 10th February 2012, 12:07

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Originally Posted by Pexbo

Carrick - Scholes - Cleverley

With Giggs for Scholes on 60min.

Please.

This is what I want too, but it's a newish system for us at the moment in what will be a difficult game to try it out. That saying though I can see Cleverly starting. Oh I don't know, just can't wait for the game now.

gambit28 · 10th February 2012, 12:08

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Originally Posted by towcester_red

Good news.

People need to remind that he is a still relatively inexperienced young lad with potential, not the saviour.

I've decided to ignore this comment an now fully see him as the saviour. That will now be his new nickname. The Saviour!

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6th February 2012, 17:18	#3525 (permalink)
noodlehair "It's like..." Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Flagg Posts: 2,095	Carrick was playing well in a lot of games last season and getting the usual abuse on here regardless. He seemed to get the blame for the shape and approach we took in games last season, despite him often being the one actually holding things together. Thought he started this season quite poorly, but it was still a case of one good game followed by a bad one, rather than him just being continiously hopeless as seemed to be the popular belief. He's been fantastic for a few months now though. Our best player consistency wise and probably the best he's played for us apart from maybe his first season.

6th February 2012, 17:18	#3526 (permalink)
GE Captain Rio Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Greater Manchester Posts: 12,757	I hope his return doesn't push Pogba down the pecking order, which would probably lead to a transfer in the summer.

8th February 2012, 09:32	#3531 (permalink)
Sunny Jim First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warsaw...that's too far away from Edinburgh... Posts: 14,700	did Tom play for the reserves on Monday?

8th February 2012, 09:34	#3532 (permalink)
anver Shart stop Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colombo. Sri-Lanka Posts: 4,319	Even if Scholes and Giggs retire,I dont foresee us buying this summer, if Cleverley and co step up; and if Pogba is given playing time, he will grab the opportunity, and that could make things more exciting next season.

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gambit28 Desperately wants to be a Muppet Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Asagan and SagatX destroyed, now worship COX! Posts: 24,714	We'll sign a winger.

8th February 2012, 09:49	#3534 (permalink)
LLMU Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: currently unknown Posts: 1,395	i still think we will get a midfielder in the summer, someone with experienced

8th February 2012, 09:55	#3536 (permalink)
LLMU Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: currently unknown Posts: 1,395	Modric i presume

8th February 2012, 12:32	#3539 (permalink)
Maciek Spit and Polish Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 'Sometimes you look in a field and you see a cow and you think it's a better cow than the one you've got in your own field. It's a fact, right? And it never really works out that way. It’s probably the same cow and not as good as your own cow.' Posts: 9,135	It's against City now, not Chelsea.

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SharkyMcShark First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Using location as a tagline: because I'm just not cool enough to have my own. Posts: 18,586	nickcoppack Nick Coppack Sir Alex has confirmed Tom Cleverley will be involved in some capacity against Liverpool. Good.

10th February 2012, 09:53	#3544 (permalink)
Denis' cuff First Team Sub Join Date: May 2007 Location: here Posts: 5,496	doesn't mean he will though - on the other hand wouldn't surprise if he started him. As usual, expect the unexpected. I know that's a load of nowt but that's Fergie these days.

10th February 2012, 09:56	#3545 (permalink)
Cina I hate everything Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 13,939	Be a bit mental to start him. Bring him on as a sub if we need to up the tempo maybe.

10th February 2012, 10:07	#3546 (permalink)
gambit28 Desperately wants to be a Muppet Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Asagan and SagatX destroyed, now worship COX! Posts: 24,714	He's almost back, brilliant. I for one can't wait.

10th February 2012, 10:10	#3548 (permalink)
kouroux First Team Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Djibouti (La terre des braves) Posts: 25,549	Excellent news.Step by step we're recovering some players

10th February 2012, 10:38	#3550 (permalink)
Red Pavan shittest username ever manutddabest791 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK - Ronaldo's House. Posts: 11,009	If he is fit to start, fergie won't mind starting him. As seen with Young last week..

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Escobar Poster originally known as Michel04 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: "Collar turned up, back straight, chest stuck out, he glided into the arena as if he owned the fucking place" Posts: 16,490	I can see him replacing Scholes after 60 or 70 mins or so, no matter of the score

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Sultan السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: It is better for a leader to make a mistake in forgiving than to make a mistake in punishing Posts: 31,452	All of a sudden our midfield looks decent. Potential to look world class if Cleverley, and Pogba fulfil their vast potential, and Carrick maintains his form.

10th February 2012, 11:38	#3553 (permalink)
Pexbo He'll have your eye out and listed on Amazon before you can say "ow!" Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: T'Internet Posts: 8,271	Carrick - Scholes - Cleverley With Giggs for Scholes on 60min. Please.

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towcester_red Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: wayne rooney wonderland Posts: 3,951	Good news. People need to remind that he is a still relatively inexperienced young lad with potential, not the saviour.

10th February 2012, 11:58	#3557 (permalink)
Jaap Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dortmund, Germany Posts: 4,531	Cracking news!

10th February 2012, 11:58	#3558 (permalink)
championo Top Stalker Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: From Brazil but in School in the States Posts: 5,089	Prayer is that he makes it out unscathed if he comes into the game. Lately we get players back and then they re-injure again.