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Old 8th February 2012, 11:57   #1 (permalink)
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So what's your strongest lineup

After a super busy financial year end just about done & dusted here, I have a little breathing space to think about football again!

So I was wondering, if we have a fully fit squad of players (geez I can't remember the last time that happened), who would be in your current starting XI? Try & ignore opposition and form. This is a team (& formation), who in your view, gets MUFC to play the best football.

I'd be very tempted to start the team who steamrolled everyone at the beginning of the season - but Carrick's been wonderful lately.

DDG

Jones (RB)
Vidic
Smalling
Evra (LB)

Nani (LM)
Carrick
Cleverley
Valencia (RM)

Rooney
Welbeck

I find it almost impossible to justify leaving out Rio, Giggs (still provides those telling moments), Scholes, Young, Rafael, Anderson (on form & he was very good with Tom in midfield).

Chicharito - doesn't have a strong enough all round game yet, super sub for me currently
Berbatov - we miss a bit of fluidity, pace and energy which is a shame coz I love the man
Evans - getting close to the Evans of old. Just rate Rio, Vidic and Smalling a little higher currently
Park - squad player, brilliant one at that
Fletcher - difficult decision but Cleverley seems a bit more nimble moving with the ball. Thankfully I'm not SAF, so I don't have to make these decisions.
Lindegaard - solid keeper, mote consistent then DDG, would be an excellent #2 to have, sadly I don't see him playing second fiddle for too long but I rate DDG as potentially TBGKITW.
Fabio - not played enough
Owen - easy enough
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:00   #2 (permalink)
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surely Rafael and Rio in

De Gea

Rafael
Ferdinand
Vidic
Evra

Valencia
Carrick
Cleverley
Nani

Rooney
Hernandez
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:02   #3 (permalink)
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Lindegard

Jones
Evra
Vidic
Rio

Valencia
Carrick
Giggs
Nani

Rooney
Welbeck
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:08   #4 (permalink)
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From what we've seen this season:

Lindegaard

Rafael
Vidic
Evans
Evra

Valencia
Carrick
Giggs
Nani

Rooney
Welbeck

I'd play this team as often as possible though, with one eye on the future+ current qualities being virtually the same.

De Gea

Rafael
Smalling
Vidic
Evra

Valencia
Carrick
Cleverley
Nani

Rooney
Welbeck

Harsh on Hernandez, Evans, Jones, Anderson and Berbatov, but either of those two 11's would suit me.
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:09   #5 (permalink)
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Anderson in the first XI over Carrick, Scholes and Giggs
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:12   #6 (permalink)
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For 90% of the games. One has to modify things according to the opponent at times though.

DDG
Rafael
Smalling
Vidic
Evra
Valencia
Carrick
Cleverley
Nani
Rooney
Welbeck

Trying to mix the present and the future though as is evident by cleverley and smalling ahead of giggsy and rio.
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:12   #7 (permalink)
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Lindegard

Jones
Evra
Vidic
Rio

Valencia
Carrick
Giggs
Nani

Rooney
Welbeck
Rafael in for Jones and I would go with this
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:13   #8 (permalink)
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Anderson in the first XI over Carrick, Scholes and Giggs
The mind boggles, it really does.
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:15   #9 (permalink)
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De Gea

Rafael
Vidic
Ferdinand
Evra

Valencia
Cleverley
Carrick
Nani

Rooney
Hernandez
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:18   #10 (permalink)
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DDG

Rafael
Rio
Vidic
Evra

Nani
Giggs
Carrick
Valencia

Welbeck
Rooney
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:18   #11 (permalink)
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Lindegaard

Jones
Evra - Only because Smalling doesnt play on left side
Rio
Vidic

Nani
Carrick
Clev
Valencia

Rooney
Hernandez
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:19   #12 (permalink)
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Anderson in the first XI over Carrick, Scholes and Giggs
To be fair he did mention the reason behind it being the sensational football we played at the start of the season.
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:20   #13 (permalink)
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DDG

Rafael
Vidic
Evans
Evra

Nani
Cleverley
Carrick
Valencia

Rooney
Hernandez


Not sure about Cleverley and Hernandez though. Giggs in the middle and Welbeck up front is just as strong imo.
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:21   #14 (permalink)
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De Gea

Rafael
Smalling
Vidic
Evra

Nani
Carrick
Clev
Valencia

Rooney
Hernandez
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:22   #15 (permalink)
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To be fair he did mention the reason behind it being the sensational football we played at the start of the season.
That was a lot more to do with Cleverley than Anderson. Crazy comment to make.
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That was a lot more to do with Cleverley than Anderson. Crazy comment to make.
I don't know, I thought Anderson was sensational, and at least as inspirational as Cleverley during the first weeks of the season. We played a monster of a match at the Reebok with Cleverley only playing the first five minutes there.

I think Anderson's been pretty good when he's been fit this season. Can't understand people saying he's been poor, he's just been out injured a while is all. People were waxing lyrical over him at the start.
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To be fair he did mention the reason behind it being the sensational football we played at the start of the season.
Irrelevant. It's a joke to include Anderson in our "best XI" ahead of Carrick and co. no matter what.

And as Deco said, that had far more to do with other members of the team at the time. Surely if he was going by that logic he'd have Young over Valencia too?
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:25   #18 (permalink)
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442/4411 - switch cleverley for hernandez. i just simply prefer a 3 man midfield, and as much as i'd prefer scholes-giggs there, just can't do them together really.
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:26   #19 (permalink)
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DDG

Rafael
Rio
Vidic
Evra

Nani
Clev
Carrick
Valencia

Welbeck
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I don't know, I thought Anderson was sensational, and at least as inspirational as Cleverley during the first weeks of the season. We played a monster of a match at the Reebok with Cleverley only playing the first five minutes there.

I think Anderson's been pretty good when he's been fit this season. Can't understand people saying he's been poor, he's just been out injured a while is all. People were waxing lyrical over him at the start.
Its irrelevant though in the context. Do you think that even if the above were true (which I don't think it is, but that belongs in another thread really) then it justifies him being in our strongest XI ahead of Carrick, Giggs etc? Better players.

Maybe it's more to do with the fact that under no circumstances should Carrick NOT be in our first XI, as opposed to Anderson being in it.
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That was a lot more to do with Cleverley than Anderson. Crazy comment to make.
That's just not true.
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:31   #22 (permalink)
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I love the idea of having Cleverley in it but I just dont think it can be justified yet, that strikes me as being premature. And what do we mean by fully fit? Does that mean I can choose Fletcher playing at the peak of his powers, as he was before this illness he had?

If Rio is fully fit he is in.

I quite like Valencia at right back to be honest, though by similar logic to Clev, Im not sure I can justify moving him there to accommodate Young.

DDG, Rafael, Vidic, Rio, Evra, Valencia, Carrick, Fletcher, Nani, Rooney, Chicharito.

Though I am also tempted to go with:

DDG, Rafael, Vidic, Rio, Evra, Valencia, Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs, Nani, Rooney.
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Its irrelevant though in the context. Do you think that even if the above were true (which I don't think it is, but that belongs in another thread really) then it justifies him being in our strongest XI ahead of Carrick, Giggs etc? Better players.

Maybe it's more to do with the fact that under no circumstances should Carrick NOT be in our first XI, as opposed to Anderson being in it.
I commented on the opinion that Anderson has been a worse player than Cleverley. So yeah, that probably belongs in another thread.
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:33   #24 (permalink)
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How can Cleverley be in it when he's only played 5 games for us?
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How can Cleverley be in it when he's only played 5 games for us?
What was it SAF said during Rooneygate and the ability to see potential in youth?
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po·ten·tial (p-tnshl) adj.
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So yes. Maybe in a season or two. Maybe even later this season, if he comes back and picks up from where he left off. But not now.
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:41   #27 (permalink)
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How can Cleverley be in it when he's only played 5 games for us?


Based on how he's played in those 5 games and on how highly he's held by everyone at the club.

Says a lot about what we have at CM too though. looking at the bigger future which i did hence taking the likes of giggs scholes and rio out of the equation, one has to choose between ando and clev, a pretty straightforward decision i'd think.
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po·ten·tial (p-tnshl) adj.
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So yes. Maybe in a season or two. Maybe even later this season, if he comes back and picks up from where he left off. But not now.
So why is Vidic in your team? And Fletcher?
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:44   #29 (permalink)
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Lindegaard

Rafael
Vidic
Smalling/Evans
Evra (No competition for place)

Valencia
Carrick
Scholes
Nani

Rooney
Welbeck
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So I am the only one who thinks a healthy Darren Fletcher is a banker in our team... ? No disrespect to Cleverley who will be a cracking player - but he isn't yet at Fletchers level (when he is feeling well)
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:47   #31 (permalink)
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Hernandez is actually in a ton of people's first choices.

Not that controversial a decision, but surprising.

I think hes got a far bigger impact off the bench, currently.
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Based on how he's played in those 5 games and on how highly he's held by everyone at the club.

Says a lot about what we have at CM too though. looking at the bigger future which i did hence taking the likes of giggs scholes and rio out of the equation, one has to choose between ando and clev, a pretty straightforward decision i'd think.
He only looked particularly good against dreadful opponents in those 5 games, against decently organised sides he's looked unspectacular. I don't see how he can be ahead of Giggs, Scholes or even Fletcher when it comes to our strongest line up.
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Hernandez is actually in a ton of people's first choices.

Not that controversial a decision, but surprising..
surprising to you maybe, to 90% of football fans it isn't.
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He only looked particularly good against dreadful opponents in those 5 games, against decently organised sides he's looked unspectacular. I don't see how he can be ahead of Giggs, Scholes or even Fletcher when it comes to our strongest line up.
Againt City he was superb

And Barca
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So I am the only one who thinks a healthy Darren Fletcher is a banker in our team... ? No disrespect to Cleverley who will be a cracking player - but he isn't yet at Fletchers level (when he is feeling well)
Probably one of a small few. Fletcher and Carrick are not a great duo imo.
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So why is Vidic in your team? And Fletcher?
Because Vidic and Fletcher have both proved themselves over a sustained period of time. This is not a fitness question, it is one of whether they have actually proved themselves in the first team. Which I believe is consistent with the terms set out in the OP:


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if we have a fully fit squad of players (geez I can't remember the last time that happened), who would be in your current starting XI?
Clev isnt left out because he is injurred, he is left out because I dont think he has played enough games in the first team to actually prove he is part of our strongest XI.
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Old 8th February 2012, 12:57   #37 (permalink)
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DDG

Rafael
Rio
Vidic
Evra

Valencia
Carrick
Scholes
Nani

Welbeck
Rooney.

Pretty standard I feel. Swapping Hernandez for Welbeck when needed, and Giggs/Anderson/Cleverly for Scholes (cuz he's old and gets tired lola).

And alternating Young in when Nani and Valencia need a rest. Same as with Smalling and Jones when one of our back for needs a rest or we need a particular height advantage in a certain game then bring Smalling in for Rafael possibly.

Alternaticely;

DDG

Rafael
Rio
Vidic
Evra

Valencia
Carrick
Cleverly
Giggs/Scholes
Nani

Rooney

When we need to bolster midfield.
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He only looked particularly good against dreadful opponents in those 5 games, against decently organised sides he's looked unspectacular. I don't see how he can be ahead of Giggs, Scholes or even Fletcher when it comes to our strongest line up.
eh? He looked great against city and was undoubtedly a very important reason why we won the game.

Also, as i've said twice, i did not consider the likes of giggs scholes and rio in the equation because i named the team for the future. Not for now. With fletch's illness and his form recently, dont see him being ahead of clev either.
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Hernandez - Rooney

Nani - Carrick - Scholes - Valencia

Evra - Evans - Rio - Smalling
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Old 8th February 2012, 13:34   #40 (permalink)
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Lindegaard

Rafael Vidic Smalling Evra

Cleverly Carrick Scholes

Nani Rooney Wellbeck



Given time that team would dominate almost every team in possession. At times you could switch Scholes for Anderson, Carrick for Jones or Nani for Valencia.
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