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Old 8th February 2012, 16:31   #81 (permalink)
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He's really not. For the most part, you know what you're going to get from Young: quality in most areas, excellent decision-making, a team player. With Nani, you know what you could get - match-winning brilliance. Whether you'll get it or not is another question.
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Old 8th February 2012, 16:33   #82 (permalink)
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He's really not. For the most part, you know what you're going to get from Young: quality in most areas, excellent decision-making, a team player. With Nani, you know what you could get - match-winning brilliance. Whether you'll get it or not is another question.
Since when?
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Old 8th February 2012, 16:36   #83 (permalink)
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We've discussed this in another thread, you admitted I was right*. Young almost always chooses the right option, especially in the pass. And he can do almost everything well, even if not that much absolutely brilliantly.

*may not have actually admitted it in so many words
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Old 8th February 2012, 16:39   #84 (permalink)
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I did no such thing you cheeky bastard. I completely disagree.

We did though, I'm just messin'. Probably best left untouched here.
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Old 8th February 2012, 16:52   #85 (permalink)
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Lindegard

Jones
Evra
Vidic
Rio

Valencia
Carrick
Giggs
Nani

Rooney
Welbeck
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Rafael
Evra
Vidic
Rio

Valencia
Carrick
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I love seeing Valencia and Nani on the wings, but given that issue with the midfield I don't see how we can fit Rooney + Welbeck into that
I'd just go with the standard 4-4-2 in most games with Nani, and Valencia as wingers. Against better opposition, and in Europe I'd play Rooney up front with an extra midfielder (Giggs). Another option would be to drop Rooney deeper to make up numbers in the middle, and play Welbeck up front. I choose Welbeck because he links up better with our midfield. He, Rooney and Cleverley were magical together prior to Clev's injury.
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Old 8th February 2012, 17:04   #87 (permalink)
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I'd just go with the standard 4-4-2 in most games with Nani, and Valencia as wingers. Against better opposition, and in Europe I'd play Rooney up front with an extra midfielder (Giggs). Another option would be to drop Rooney deeper to make up numbers in the middle, and play Welbeck up front. I choose Welbeck because he links up better with our midfield. He, Rooney and Cleverley were magical together prior to Clev's injury.
Yeah, I prefer 4-4-2 as well and our best side probably does play that way, but I'd like us with a bit more oomph than Carrick-Giggs. Hopefully Clev will step up.
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Old 8th February 2012, 17:22   #88 (permalink)
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Yeah, I prefer 4-4-2 as well and our best side probably does play that way, but I'd like us with a bit more oomph than Carrick-Giggs. Hopefully Clev will step up.
Surprisingly, midfield has not been our weakest link this season. Fortunately Carrick has decided to man up, and remain injury free otherwise our season would have been over some while back. The issue has been Vidic' injury, and SAF choosing De Gea to serve his apprentiship at United.
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Old 8th February 2012, 17:28   #89 (permalink)
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Defense has been our weakest link purely because of its severe injuries. If our midfield had to deal with injury amounts like those we would be absolutely ruined.
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Old 8th February 2012, 17:32   #90 (permalink)
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I'd say that this is our strongest lineup.

De Gea

Rafael-Vidic-Smalling-Evra

Valencia-Carrick-Cleverley-Nani

Rooney

Hernandez

It's actually quite difficult for me to pick our strongest team. We've had a lot of injuries this season which has disrupted it. As well as that, I don't think Fergie even knows himself what our strongest team is.

Lindegaard has been impressive at times, but I don't feel that he's done enough to show us that he should be first choice. I'm willing to stick by De Gea for the moment.

Rafael has to be the first choice right back. Smalling has filled in well, while Jones has shown he can play there, but Rafael is a natural full back, who is good at both attacking and defending.

Leaving out Rio was very hard, but Smalling has just looked so much more solid this season. Rio usually looks better alongside Vidic, but Smalling is a player who looks good no matter who you put beside him.

The choices on the wings are pretty self explanatory at the moment. Valencia has been on fire, while Nani still warrants a place in the team. Unless Young hits a good run of form, I can't see anything changing there.

In the centre, I've had to think hard about it. Carrick definitely deserves to be there because he's been consistently good throughout the whole season. The other choice was hard. Choosing Cleverley is risky because of how little he has played for us, but he did make a massive difference at the start of the season. Giggs has been hit and miss there, while Scholes has been very good in his short time back.

Welbeck has arguably been better than Hernandez this season, however I've gone for Chicharito because of how good him and Rooney were in the back end of last season. I think that if they can link up well together, we'll see why they should be our first choices up front.
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Old 8th February 2012, 17:36   #91 (permalink)
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Smalling Vidic Rio Evra

Cleverley Carrick Scholes

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Old 8th February 2012, 17:37   #92 (permalink)
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Defense has been our weakest link purely because of its severe injuries. If our midfield had to deal with injury amounts like those we would be absolutely ruined.
Majority of our midfield have been out injured for most of the season

Cleverley
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Old 8th February 2012, 17:43   #93 (permalink)
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Welbeck

I don't think Cleverley has done enough just yet to justify being in our best 11 but I imagine that will come very soon. Harsh leaving Evans, Jones, Rio, and Chicharito out but this is the line up I'd like to see us go out with in most games.
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Old 8th February 2012, 18:49   #94 (permalink)
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Cleverley has played 5 games in midfield for United. How on earth is he part of the strongest lineup?
Jones at right back? No thank you.

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Valencia Carrick Scholes Nani
Rooney Berbatov/Hernandes (depends on the opposition)
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Old 8th February 2012, 20:26   #95 (permalink)
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Out of position is a good call Simon. I did put Evra as centre-half.



You used to be like Mr. Danny Welbeck and all that there

Berbatov is an absolutely brilliant footballer, but it just hasn't really happened for him at United for some reason
Don't get me wrong, I think Welbeck is a fantastic talent, have done since he was 16, and I think he'll be first choice rightly very soon... which is probably why he is first choice anyway now. Similarly I think Smalling will displace Rio, and Cleverley displace Scholes, some time in the next year, but right now it's hard to argue with the quality the likes of Ferdinand, Scholes and Berbatov add, and I think Berbatov, in particular, is unfortunate. I wouldn't pick him for certain games, but he should have played against Liverpool in the cup, for example. There are times when Danny makes the wrong choice and occasionally that's costing us, even though obviously he adds a lot as well.
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Old 8th February 2012, 20:30   #96 (permalink)
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Old 8th February 2012, 20:36   #97 (permalink)
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-------------DeGea--------------
Rafael----Vidic-----Rio-------Evra
Valencia--Scholes----Carrick---Nani
--------Welbeck---Rooney

Would love to give following a whirl...

------------DeGea----------------
Rafael------Vidic----Rio-------Evra
--------------Carrick--------------
--------Scholes-----Cleverley------
Valencia-----Rooney--------Nani
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Old 8th February 2012, 21:03   #98 (permalink)
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Don't get me wrong, I think Welbeck is a fantastic talent, have done since he was 16, and I think he'll be first choice rightly very soon... which is probably why he is first choice anyway now. Similarly I think Smalling will displace Rio, and Cleverley displace Scholes, some time in the next year, but right now it's hard to argue with the quality the likes of Ferdinand, Scholes and Berbatov add, and I think Berbatov, in particular, is unfortunate. I wouldn't pick him for certain games, but he should have played against Liverpool in the cup, for example. There are times when Danny makes the wrong choice and occasionally that's costing us, even though obviously he adds a lot as well.
Yeah. I just think Rooney and Berbatov rarely seem to click. They both like to drop off, and Berbatov slows things down a lot.

I'd also have Smalling over Rio if Vidic was fit. You need Rio for experience in big games if there's no Vidic, but to me he looks a little bit shot now. The pace has really gone, and he's made a lot of mistakes (for him) since his return from injury. Hope I'm wrong... but Vidic and Ferdinand lacks pace now for me.
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Old 8th February 2012, 21:13   #99 (permalink)
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Pretty much agree with RonaldoVII.

Dave
Phil
Chris
Rio
Paddy
Toni
Mike C
Ryan
Nani
Wayne
Danny

Overlooked the club captain as he won't be playing again this season.
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Cleverley has played 5 games in midfield for United. How on earth is he part of the strongest lineup?
Jones at right back? No thank you.

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Rafael Rio Vidic Evra
Valencia Carrick Scholes Nani
Rooney Berbatov/Hernandes (depends on the opposition)
Maybe he's had a considerable impact? *nudge nudge* *wink *wink *cough*
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Old 8th February 2012, 22:46   #101 (permalink)
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Old 9th February 2012, 04:38   #102 (permalink)
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Lindegaard has been impressive at times, but I don't feel that he's done enough to show us that he should be first choice.
Fair enough, but has De Gea? The answer is no. So why do you stick with him?
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Rafael
Evra
Vidic
Rio

Valencia
Carrick
Jones
Nani

Rooney
Welbeck
No Smalling? You're mental, he's almost the first name down.
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Old 9th February 2012, 13:48   #103 (permalink)
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Yeah. I just think Rooney and Berbatov rarely seem to click. They both like to drop off, and Berbatov slows things down a lot.

I'd also have Smalling over Rio if Vidic was fit. You need Rio for experience in big games if there's no Vidic, but to me he looks a little bit shot now. The pace has really gone, and he's made a lot of mistakes (for him) since his return from injury. Hope I'm wrong... but Vidic and Ferdinand lacks pace now for me.
People are far too quick to write players off. Rio was in great form for a patch of around 15 games a few games ago. A few dodgy team performances in defence and he's looking a bit shot? I don't think so.

Smalling is fantastic and it's quite something for him that he is being named by many people as preferable to Rio, but Ferdinand and Vidic are both still top class in my eyes.
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I find it suprising that Cleverley and Carrick are the midfield 2 for the majority of peoples' teams since they have never played together. Wow, can you imagine the dissapointment and outrage on the Caf if that partnership flops?
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Old 9th February 2012, 15:35   #105 (permalink)
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Old 9th February 2012, 16:05   #106 (permalink)
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4-4-2

-----------Lindegaard--------

Rafael-----Rio-------Vidic--------Evra

Valencia----Carrick---Cleverley-----Nani

-------------Rooney----Welbeck------------

4-5-1

replace Welbeck with Scholes.
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Old 9th February 2012, 19:55   #107 (permalink)
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He's really not. For the most part, you know what you're going to get from Young: quality in most areas, excellent decision-making, a team player. With Nani, you know what you could get - match-winning brilliance. Whether you'll get it or not is another question.
I think you're letting Nani's streaky form this season colour your perceptions of him.

Nani's been as consistent as anyone in England over the past two years, in terms of goals/assists.

He's been up and down this season though.
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Old 9th February 2012, 20:51   #109 (permalink)
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De Gea
Rafael
Vidic
Ferdinand
Evra
Valencia
Carrick
Fletcher
Nani
Rooney
Hernandez

Probably our best 11 players

De Gea
Rafael
Jones
Smalling
Evra
Valencia
Anderson/Cleverley
Carrick
Nani
Rooney
Welbeck

For this season.
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Old 9th February 2012, 20:51   #110 (permalink)
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De Gea
Rafael
Vidic
Ferdinand
Evra
Valencia
Carrick
Fletcher
Nani
Rooney
Hernandez

Probably our best 11 players

De Gea
Rafael
Jones
Smalling
Evra
Valencia
Anderson/Cleverley
Carrick
Nani
Rooney
Welbeck

For this season.
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Old 9th February 2012, 21:01   #111 (permalink)
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Smalling
Ferdinand
Vidic
Evra

Valencia
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Carrick
Nani

Rooney
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Lindegaard? I still think De Gea is the better keeper, that save against Chelsea, although it was just one save, it showed class that Lindegaard hasn't shown yet.

Not by any means stating that Lindegaard isn't a good keeper, but De Gea shades it.
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Old 9th February 2012, 22:12   #114 (permalink)
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Lindegaard? I still think De Gea is the better keeper, that save against Chelsea, although it was just one save, it showed class that Lindegaard hasn't shown yet.

Not by any means stating that Lindegaard isn't a good keeper, but De Gea shades it.
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Lindegaard? I still think De Gea is the better keeper, that save against Chelsea, although it was just one save, it showed class that Lindegaard hasn't shown yet.

Not by any means stating that Lindegaard isn't a good keeper, but De Gea shades it.
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Lindegaard? I still think De Gea is the better keeper, that save against Chelsea, although it was just one save, it showed class that Lindegaard hasn't shown yet.

Not by any means stating that Lindegaard isn't a good keeper, but De Gea shades it.


I think in terms of ability there is little in it. Lindegaard just has that super-confident, slightly mental keeper attitude that marks out some of the best. It's the one thing De Gea is lacking at the moment and Lindegaard instills his confidence in me when he's playing.
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One thing Lindegaard does have over De Gea is the lack of pressure that De Gea has felt, every mistake he's made has been magnified 100x, the first ball he dropped in the City game, people were going to slate him. I think if we get De Gea confident we have a world class keeper in goal for close to 20 years.
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Old 10th February 2012, 05:43   #118 (permalink)
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From what we've seen this season

De gea

Jones
Smalling
Vidic
Evra

Carrick

Cleverly
Anderson

Valencia
Rooney
Nani
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Old 10th February 2012, 07:34   #119 (permalink)
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GK: De Gea

RB: Rafael
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Vidic
LB: Fabio

CM: Carrick
CM: Jones
LW: Nani
RW: Valencia

ST: Rooney
ST: Welbeck

I reserve judgement on Carrick/Cleverley (potentially our best pairing IMO) as they haven't had the chance to play together yet.
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Personally I'm yet to see a partnership be as devastating as Anderson and Cleverly were for us this season. The only thing they lacked was Carrick calm assurance behind them. But due to the form of our strikers, I doubt we will see those start together any time soon.
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