This Super Cup larky

St Red · 29th August 2008, 08:58

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Originally Posted by Youngie

1, Its a Trophy that will make the honours list in the matchday programme...
2, Its Another chance to gloat in front of embittered Scousers down the pub later tonight ...
3,The term European Supercup Winners will really impress the fuckwitted journalists from the Guardian/Telegraph etc..

Im all for it.

Its nothing but a glamour money spinner.

Even although we've won it 4 times under 2 names, I am too embarrassed to use it as an example when arguing or defending our honours tally.

A1Dan · 29th August 2008, 09:11

Much rather be playing Fulham - it's congestion for later in the season, plus my mate's bird's a Fulham ST holder, and they were going to come up and make it a large weekend. Now it'll get stuck on a weekday again...

el eric · 29th August 2008, 09:42

if this has to be played ( which i dont think it should ) why cant it be played pre-season. Stupid game in my opinion.

Its Just ust an excuse for all the UEFA bigwigs to have a jolly up in the casinos in Monaco really isnt it.

Red For Ever · 29th August 2008, 09:44

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Originally Posted by Frosty

Are there many of those about?

It depends wher you live
Just along the M62 there are a quite a few

dicko · 29th August 2008, 10:10

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Originally Posted by Striker10

you never know one day clubs might be viewed on how many super cups they win. I reckon if a club won it a few times on a trot in years to come it'd look good on the old cv

The european cup was much the same once, it wasn't what it is now. |Granted it's just a game but you gotta win in europe to play in it so let's just win it and get confidence from that going into the games we got coming up

When was the European Cup unimportant?

dicko · 29th August 2008, 10:15

I had to stay in St Petersburg during the Euro Cup week. I was very surprised at how many Zenit fans were already looking forward to the game. I consider it a glorified friendly but, if their fans are anything to go by, Zenit will take this game very seriously.

A1Dan · 29th August 2008, 10:19

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Originally Posted by dicko

When was the European Cup unimportant?

Wasn't taken very seriously (especially here in England) in its first few years. Lots of countries didn't enter etc.

But the argument that this could apply to the Super-cup is bollox. It's just a European Charity shield, and will never be anything else.

The World Club thing may one day gain more importance, so I've got more time for that competition.

dicko · 29th August 2008, 10:49

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Originally Posted by A1Dan

Wasn't taken very seriously (especially here in England) in its first few years. Lots of countries didn't enter etc.

But the argument that this could apply to the Super-cup is bollox. It's just a European Charity shield, and will never be anything else.

The World Club thing may one day gain more importance, so I've got more time for that competition.

The English were very insular in those days. The FA persuaded Chelsea not to enter the first year (1955/56), fearing that it could affect the integrity of the league. The following season the FA tried to keep us out but we ignored them. As far as I can make out all other major countries entered. The competition captured the imagination of the English fans from then on.

It is silly to compare this with the lack of prestige for the Super Cup.

A1Dan · 29th August 2008, 10:54

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Originally Posted by dicko

It is silly to compare this with the lack of prestige for the Super Cup.

Totally.

Castolo · 29th August 2008, 11:15

We used to mock Liverpool fans for counting things like the Super Cup in their season trophy haul... remember the '5 trophies in a year' run under Houllier, including the Super cup and charity shield?

lao · 29th August 2008, 11:56

I think it's perfect that the international break comes after this game. This way we won't rest any players since they need match fitness and still have a long time to go before the three tough games in Pool, Villareal and Chelski. Fielding a good team will send signals to the players that this means serious.

Dans · 29th August 2008, 13:00

Europe will (might) be watching - let's put on a show and remind them who are the champions of Europe. Can only be a good thing.

TheRedFlag · 29th August 2008, 13:42

Its far too "Liverpool" for my liking.

Pancho123 · 29th August 2008, 13:43

I agree that it's somewhat pointless. But its a really nice looking trophy and a good chance to show the gulf in class between Champs League calibre teams and Uefa Cup calibre teams. The main point in my mind is that we have plenty of recovery time before we play the rat-eaters. Id be proper fucked off if it was leaving us struggling for that but as it is, we shud be ok.

rooney__10 · 29th August 2008, 13:46

silverware is silvestre
Quite exciting aswell and if we win it will add to confidence

Kevin · 29th August 2008, 13:46

Sahargreaves is out. Not recovered yet.

Striker10 · 29th August 2008, 13:48

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Originally Posted by ralphie88

I'm sorry, but this is utter utter rubbish.

The Super Cup's been around for a long time. It used to be played over 2 legs. But there wasn't enough interest (23,000 at OT in '91 ffs) so they stopped that. It's diminishing in value, not increasing.

so what? ralphie i'm not talking next week. I'm talking 50 or so years down the line when your past on and i'm still in my prime

No one knows the future. I mean look at the fa cup. For so long it was revered and now it's lost something though after last season it might regain it's appeal

All it takes is classic games to give these trophies an identity or something to make them memorable.

The charity shield is a glorified trophy BUT bear in mind it's the champions and the fa cup winners that play in it and it is a prestigious trophy, but in the current climate because of how the game is, ofcourse it's called a glorified trophy BUT in the past because of what you won it used to be an occasion

Tell the people that win it, they look happy to me and the losers tend to be a bit pissed but when your successful you can believe the fact it's not important and take it for granted

If your involved in charity shield, or super cup then you should be happy because it means your doing something right and I can't wait for the game and let's win that trophy! Winning is winning...you old cunt

Nem 7 · 29th August 2008, 13:55

A win is a win.

Striker10 · 29th August 2008, 13:56

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Originally Posted by dicko

When was the European Cup unimportant?

when it was invented, for example the fa didn't want british clubs to enter. I don't know the full sp but worth a search on the net.

Striker10 · 29th August 2008, 13:59

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Originally Posted by A1Dan

Wasn't taken very seriously (especially here in England) in its first few years. Lots of countries didn't enter etc.

But the argument that this could apply to the Super-cup is bollox. It's just a European Charity shield, and will never be anything else.

The World Club thing may one day gain more importance, so I've got more time for that competition.

so what if it is a European charity shield? It's a showcase for the two winners of last seasons european competitions. Some will take it seriously, some won't. I'm sure in some parts of the world it's viewed as an important game. Just because it's not here means nothing. In some parts of the world it will mean something - which makes it worth winning

Striker10 · 29th August 2008, 14:00

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Originally Posted by dicko

The English were very insular in those days. The FA persuaded Chelsea not to enter the first year (1955/56), fearing that it could affect the integrity of the league. The following season the FA tried to keep us out but we ignored them. As far as I can make out all other major countries entered. The competition captured the imagination of the English fans from then on.

It is silly to compare this with the lack of prestige for the Super Cup.

not really. To make it basic. A good idea might take a while to catch on. With the 'while' being from now until the end of time.....

let's not forget, for our younger players it's an important game. You can never win to many thing and it will be a massive boost to their confidence winning tonight. That is why, if we win tonight you will see the lads celebrating like they always do because winning is winning and we could go into the liverpool, chelsea games in great spirt

dicko · 29th August 2008, 21:03

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Originally Posted by Striker10

when it was invented, for example the fa didn't want british clubs to enter. I don't know the full sp but worth a search on the net.

Just because the FA persuaded Chelsea not to enter doesn't mean the rest of Europe ignored it. United were there in season two and the tournament became important in England almost immediately.

I doubt if any tournament has ever had universal acceptance in it first year. Only four European countries, France, Belgium, Yugoslavia and Romania, entered the first World Cup. The game between Romania and Peru attracted a crowd of 300.

I would guess that the FA Cup was more prestigious in 1888/89 than the league. I would also guess that there was significant novelty value attached to the first FA Cup. The Super Cup has never risen above the novelty value.

29th August 2008, 09:11	#42 (permalink)
A1Dan First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Where the goals come from. Posts: 10,927	Much rather be playing Fulham - it's congestion for later in the season, plus my mate's bird's a Fulham ST holder, and they were going to come up and make it a large weekend. Now it'll get stuck on a weekday again...

29th August 2008, 09:42	#43 (permalink)
el eric Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sunny Dublin Posts: 3,182	if this has to be played ( which i dont think it should ) why cant it be played pre-season. Stupid game in my opinion. Its Just ust an excuse for all the UEFA bigwigs to have a jolly up in the casinos in Monaco really isnt it.

29th August 2008, 10:15	#46 (permalink)
dicko Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,602	I had to stay in St Petersburg during the Euro Cup week. I was very surprised at how many Zenit fans were already looking forward to the game. I consider it a glorified friendly but, if their fans are anything to go by, Zenit will take this game very seriously.

29th August 2008, 11:15	#50 (permalink)
Castolo Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,192	We used to mock Liverpool fans for counting things like the Super Cup in their season trophy haul... remember the '5 trophies in a year' run under Houllier, including the Super cup and charity shield?

29th August 2008, 11:56	#51 (permalink)
lao A Real Cock Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Surrounded by Swedish Pussies. Posts: 2,813	I think it's perfect that the international break comes after this game. This way we won't rest any players since they need match fitness and still have a long time to go before the three tough games in Pool, Villareal and Chelski. Fielding a good team will send signals to the players that this means serious.

29th August 2008, 13:00	#52 (permalink)
Dans First Team Elder Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 19,690	Europe will (might) be watching - let's put on a show and remind them who are the champions of Europe. Can only be a good thing.

29th August 2008, 13:42	#53 (permalink)
TheRedFlag resident idiot Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 10,939	Its far too "Liverpool" for my liking.

29th August 2008, 13:43	#54 (permalink)
Pancho123 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 1,111	I agree that it's somewhat pointless. But its a really nice looking trophy and a good chance to show the gulf in class between Champs League calibre teams and Uefa Cup calibre teams. The main point in my mind is that we have plenty of recovery time before we play the rat-eaters. Id be proper fucked off if it was leaving us struggling for that but as it is, we shud be ok.

29th August 2008, 13:46	#55 (permalink)
rooney__10 Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,272	silverware is silvestre Quite exciting aswell and if we win it will add to confidence

29th August 2008, 13:46	#56 (permalink)
Kevin Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,573	Sahargreaves is out. Not recovered yet.

29th August 2008, 13:55	#58 (permalink)
Nem 7 Look, I'm a cunt, can type in colour so I must be important. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Outside Right Posts: 5,051	A win is a win.