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Tevez deal due next summer
Carlos Tevez admits he would sign a permanent contract now if it was put in front of him, but Sir Alex Ferguson has revealed that the Argentina international will ink the deal at the end of the season.
Tevez is still on a loan contract, but the long-mooted permanent deal will be tied up at the end of the current campaign. “As I understand it, it (a permanent deal) will happen at the end of the season,” said the Reds boss. “There is no doubt in my mind that Carlos will be here next season and signing the contract.” Tevez says there is “no doubt” as to where his loyalties lie. “Ever since I first came here I would like to have signed a permanent contract,” he told reporters. “I had very happy season last year and I would be very happy if the chairman would put a permanent contract in front of me. I’d sign it without any doubt.” Whether Tevez is on loan or a permanent, however, his focus is on winning more trophies at Old Trafford. Kicking off United’s defence of the Champions League with a victory over Villarreal would not only signal the team’s intentions in this season’s competition, it would be the right reaction to Saturday’s defeat to Liverpool. “We have a very strong squad,” said Carlos. “We showed last season whenever we lost a game that we could come back stronger. That’s the reason why we won two titles last season. I think you will see a reaction from the players. “It’s always important to win a trophy again, it shows your quality if you can defend the titles you win. We have the ability and the depth of squad to go and do that.” http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pa...newsid=6618505 |
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As you noted yourself WWITT, The Guardian and other sources had reported the deal would be signed this transfer window, or at least this summer. Always thought it was unlikely United would fork out for both Berbs and Tevez in the same annual budget.
Get him signed though, he's been our best player so far this season. |
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Were gonna lose him doing this, don't care what Fergie claims will happen - if next summer he hasn't agreed terms with us he'll be off - there are several teams who will offer him more money than we will be prepared to spend on him.
What happened to the contract being signed a month or two into the season? |
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With Ronaldo's future tentative, its very much essential we tie him down permanantly.
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Not really. An option means that we have the first say on a fixed price, so other clubs can bid first if the player turns us down (which he clearly won't) or if we're not interested in bidding for him.
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Keep Tevez and play him in Rooney's position. Stick Rooney on the wing. Pay around £20 m for this tactical master class.
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Tevez is ostensibly just cover for Rooney. But he's been playing much, much better than Rooney, so is ahead of him in the strikers pecking order. Which is fully deserved. While Tevez continues playing this well, Rooney plays out of position or he sits on the bench. If Rooney finds some form and/or Tevez loses his, the situation willl be reversed. This is what's known as competition for places. It's a good thing. Hardly mind-boggling either. |
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Last season, Rooney and Tevez were essentially our two only striking options so I do not see how you conclude that Tevez was and is only cover for Rooney. I don't see how the competition is at all fair. It stands to reason that if you play one player in a position where he is at ease (Tevez) and stick the other in an alien position (Rooney) then naturally the player out of his position will not compare favourably. How on earth can we expect Rooney to get back to any sort of form playing in the role he did on Saturday. Tevez is an endearing little so and so because of his work ethic. Granted, he has also popped up with some invaluable strikes. But in the ability stakes, he is not a patch on Rooney. |
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I am not getting in to another meaningless Tevez versus Rooney debate but I cannot see Rooney being something extraordinary or Tevez being anyway inferior either.
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Rooney has better vision and his execution of killer passes is better. His control is better and he has more explosive pace than Tevez as well. Rooney is not getting a proper run in his favoured areas of the pitch because of Tevez. Surely Tevez with his terrier like approach would be better suited to the right flank with Rooney in field? |
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"Ronaldo and trophies > Manchester United football club"
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They very similar players, both exceptional when they're at it. The fact is they're both Manchester United players so there's no issue. We all have preferences.
Can't wait till it's done so we can put all the needless speculation to bed. The club are confident and the player sounds very clear about what he wants. |
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Tevez as he says and has said would have signed ages ago. |
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When in form, we have all witnessed Rooney produce moments of absolute jaw-dropping quality. Tevez does not have such potential from what I have seen. It's not an anti-Tevez rant, I just cannot believe that he is keeping Wayne out of his favoured position.
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Teveth has stated himself that we have yet to see the best of him, he's only been here 1 year, where as Rooney has been here for 4.
It shouldnt matter who has the better potential when picking the starting XI, what does matter is current form & who has the right mindset going into games & who can fit into how we approach whoever it is we play. |
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Yeah as much as i admire Tevez i fully agree with this, not an insult to Tevez as he is still a very good player. Though if we want Rooney to perform as well as we know he can, he needs to play in his correct position like last Wednesday
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How is that a fair indicator of form? |
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For me, to get the best out of Rooney he would have to consistently start in behind Berbatov - and sit Tevez on the bench, he's going to want to leave. If we have to piss one player off to get the best out of another is it worth it? |
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Fair enough, thats your opinion, for me I never like to see us play a certain formation just to fit one player into the team - it tends not to work.
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Also when Rooney played his so called best football at United, we had an unsettled line up and he stood out as the best, its all relative here as we had a mediocre midfield of Smith, Miller and Fletcher with the opponents chaining us in our own half. Whenever Rooney dropped deep latched on to a delivery, he had the space and time to run and take on defenders and pick out the forwards and spray the ball around and note his best moments came only when United were attacking on the break. Now with Carrick, Scholes and Anderson gelling in with a settled midfield, it requires the forwards to hold on to possession, hitting the right pass, with the onus of fluidity and cleverly moving the ball upfront and either Rooney or Tevez can deliver only on the offered bandwidth and it dosen't require Rooney to run from deep anymore these days. United have moved on, so has Rooney and going forward its very much essential we have them both. Whatever Rooney fans/detractors might argue being played out of position or overrated in the last three years or so his goal and assist tally has only increased. |
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