Tevez - Has SAF been vindicated?

mariachi-19 · 12th January 2010, 15:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raees

Tevez > Defoe anyday

It was tongue in cheek

But to be honest, he's a piece of work and I doubt he'd add anything valuable to our squad except his bitching and moaning because he's not getting played regularly. He's not worth the supposed £47 million quid that he was bought for. £25m at best and even then, i'd probably still take Michael Owen on a free over him.

gaffs · 12th January 2010, 21:01

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Veron is still a top play maker tbf.

Hes still good, but hes not half as good as Ever Banega.

MrMarcello · 12th January 2010, 23:27

Kelvin · 13th January 2010, 12:15

Hansen: Tevez's success is being placed in sharper relief by struggles of Berbatov

Liverpool legend Alan Hansen believes the form of Carlos Tevez for Manchester City will merely compound the problems being faced by Manchester United and Sir Alex Ferguson and in particular their out of form striker Dimitar Berbatov.

The Premier League champions’ stuttering form has led many to question Manchester United’s credentials this season which is in direct contrast to their bitter neighbours Manchester City. Roberto Mancini’s side have won the last four games thanks to the inspiring form of former Manchester United and Stretford End hero Carlos Tevez, who has scored ten league goals in his last seven games. The ex-Liverpool stalwart, Alan Hansen, who dominated English football at Anfield for the best part of a decade believes Tevez has more than vindicated Manchester City’s decision to pay a huge fee in order to obtain the Manchester City striker, and it raises further doubts about United’s ability to dominate the English game.

Hansen claims Manchester City are more than capable of finishing in the top four and given the unpredictable nature of the Premier League, the Liverpool hero suggests they could even go on and win it. He claims in any other season, Manchester United would probably be out of the title race.

The former Liverpool FC captain told the BBC: “Carlos Tevez's performances for Manchester City in recent games - capped by his hat-trick in the 4-1 win over Blackburn Rovers - prove once again that he is a massive talent.”

“He is currently the spearhead of a resurgent side that must now harbour genuine ambitions of finishing in the top four and even, given the topsy-turvy nature of the top end of the Premier League, making a serious impact in the title race itself.”

“Tevez's summer move to Eastlands was the subject of great conjecture and debate because he left Manchester United, where he was idolised, to do it and because of the huge finance involved.”

“In footballing terms, the transfer was a "no-brainer" for City.”

Hansen believes Manchester City knew exactly what they were getting from Manchester United, and suggested the transfer was a good one when compared to the relative risk in signing Robinho, or in Manchester United’s case Dimitar Berbatov. Hansen suggests the Brazilian and the Bulgarian are both mercurial on their day, but don’t offer the consistent impact or endeavor of the Manchester City striker.

Hansen continued: “Tevez had shown at Old Trafford that he had ability allied to work-rate. If he started a game, you got the work-rate. If he came on as substitute, you got the work-rate - and no sulking about making a late entrance.”

“When you look at him in comparison to, say, Robinho, it is like chalk and cheese.”

“Robinho has got fantastic natural talent, but up against the attitude and ability of Tevez, the Argentine goes into a different stratosphere.”

“At City, the fact that he has added regular goalscoring to his weaponry ensures Tevez has been totally central to their recent run of good results. He is now admired as much, if not more, at Eastlands as he was during his time at United.”

The former Anfield stalwart suggests the form of Tevez and Manchester United’s inability to keep the player at Old Trafford raises real concerns over the cash available to Sir Alex Ferguson, because his side look less of one without the ex-West Ham forward.

The former Liverpool captain continued: “Of course, it immediately begs the question of whether Ferguson should have kept Tevez at Old Trafford, especially in the light of Manchester United's failure to hit the heights this season.”

“It is far too early to be making definitive judgments on things like that, but there is no doubt United would currently be better off having Tevez at their disposal than not.”

“We have to surmise the money on offer to make the deal was bigger at Manchester City than at Manchester United.”

“Ferguson had to weigh up whether Tevez was worth all of the money the transfer was going to cost and obviously decided against it.”

“Clubs have a ceiling on what they will pay to buy, or in Tevez's case keep, a player.”

“They may go a little over it, but United believed their ceiling had been reached when it came to Tevez. City had the money to make a deal happen and are reaping a rich reward at the moment.”

“It was a good deal for City because they knew what they were getting.”

Hansen believes the player’s success at Manchester City merely highlights the current malaise experienced by his Manchester United counterpart, Dimitar Berbatov, who continues to cut a frustrated figure for Sir Alex Ferguson.

He told the BBC: “Tevez's success is being placed in even sharper relief by the struggles of Dimitar Berbatov.”

“It is inevitable comparisons will be made - and for Berbatov they will not be flattering. For now, at least.”

“If a side is struggling, then a player with Berbatov's style will always get more flak that one who plays with the all-action effort of Tevez.”

“Tevez's contribution has put City in the top four and will give them genuine hopes of Champions League football next season.”

“And, just lurking in the back of their minds, will be the fact that none of Chelsea, Manchester United and Arsenal has made a cast-iron case to be Premier League champions this season.”

Hansen concluded: “I am not saying City will be champions, but this has been an amazing season and there is intrigue all over the place.”

“If they win their game in hand, City are only three points behind Manchester United, so you can see why they will have high hopes for the rest of the season.”

Hansen: Tevez's success is being placed in sharper relief by struggles of Berbatov 13 January 2010 - 11:20 | Sport.co.uk

Bread · 26th January 2010, 13:57

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...enComment=true
Great Article about Teveth there, some home truths that have been neglected!

Striker10 · 26th January 2010, 14:05

The problem is everyone takes a stance but the fact is tevez was third choice at best. He wasn't playing in the big games. His world cup place was under threat. Not playing made it harder for united to justify paying the fee etc...

Tevez is 'quoted' (if it's true or not) even during the first season as wanting to sign there and then. We dragged it on

The problem is berbatov.

If your tevez and you see someone signed for 30 odd million and you KNOW rooneys number one (which he stated in an interview on mutv. He knew Rooney was an 'idol') then how is he meant to get games?

So people throw down arguements that are always missing a fact or two just to make sides but if we'd have wanted him, he'd have signed. We didn't want him. We wouldn't have signed a 30m striker if we did. However, if we wanted him we would have played in the big games

I'd have played him against barca instead of park so I'm not sure there's much we can moan about.

R_Kelly · 26th January 2010, 14:17

This thread needs to be allowed to die.

He's gone, people have their opinions about the deal which are not going change if they haven't by this stage, there's really no point in having the same bloody debate day in day out in threads dotted around the place.

Name Changed · 26th January 2010, 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Striker10

The problem is everyone takes a stance but the fact is tevez was third choice at best. He wasn't playing in the big games. His world cup place was under threat. Not playing made it harder for united to justify paying the fee etc...

Tevez is 'quoted' (if it's true or not) even during the first season as wanting to sign there and then. We dragged it on

The problem is berbatov.

If your tevez and you see someone signed for 30 odd million and you KNOW rooneys number one (which he stated in an interview on mutv. He knew Rooney was an 'idol') then how is he meant to get games?

So people throw down arguements that are always missing a fact or two just to make sides but if we'd have wanted him, he'd have signed. We didn't want him. We wouldn't have signed a 30m striker if we did. However, if we wanted him we would have played in the big games

I'd have played him against barca instead of park so I'm not sure there's much we can moan about.

Probably mostly true.

But the thing was that it was clear as day coming towards the end of the season that it was Tevez who SAF preferred in the end. It was Tevez who was being selected when fit and it was Tevez, not Berbatov, that SAF initially brought into the match against Barcelona. If Tevez felt "hurt" by the club not signing him when they had the option, then that is fair enough and he is probably right to be aggrieved, but if he did love the club as much as he said then he should have gotten over it, especially as it was he that was being picked at that time of the season anyway.

So, really, it goes both ways.

Drifter · 16th April 2010, 14:14

Barcelona star Lionel Messi has taken a swipe at Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson.

Messi says Ferguson should have "valued" Carlo Tevez more after allowing him to move to Manchester City.

He told the Daily Express: "I have learnt a lot from Carlos. He has proved this season he is one of the best strikers in the world and Manchester United have shown just how much they have missed him. He needed to be somewhere he was valued.

"He is such a nice guy, he must be with a club who really want him and respect him."

Striker10 · 16th April 2010, 14:32

Lets be honest here.

I think we made it harder for Tevez by not giving him the contract when he asked for it. After a good first season we could have. You then buy a 30 million pound striker .......as thick as tevez is, the writings on the wall.

I think Sir Alex got it wrong BUT at the same time there is always the opportunity to correct that. It's easy with hindsight though.

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13th January 2010, 12:15	#644 (permalink)
Kelvin Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 21,510	Hansen: Tevez's success is being placed in sharper relief by struggles of Berbatov Liverpool legend Alan Hansen believes the form of Carlos Tevez for Manchester City will merely compound the problems being faced by Manchester United and Sir Alex Ferguson and in particular their out of form striker Dimitar Berbatov. The Premier League champions’ stuttering form has led many to question Manchester United’s credentials this season which is in direct contrast to their bitter neighbours Manchester City. Roberto Mancini’s side have won the last four games thanks to the inspiring form of former Manchester United and Stretford End hero Carlos Tevez, who has scored ten league goals in his last seven games. The ex-Liverpool stalwart, Alan Hansen, who dominated English football at Anfield for the best part of a decade believes Tevez has more than vindicated Manchester City’s decision to pay a huge fee in order to obtain the Manchester City striker, and it raises further doubts about United’s ability to dominate the English game. Hansen claims Manchester City are more than capable of finishing in the top four and given the unpredictable nature of the Premier League, the Liverpool hero suggests they could even go on and win it. He claims in any other season, Manchester United would probably be out of the title race. The former Liverpool FC captain told the BBC: “Carlos Tevez's performances for Manchester City in recent games - capped by his hat-trick in the 4-1 win over Blackburn Rovers - prove once again that he is a massive talent.” “He is currently the spearhead of a resurgent side that must now harbour genuine ambitions of finishing in the top four and even, given the topsy-turvy nature of the top end of the Premier League, making a serious impact in the title race itself.” “Tevez's summer move to Eastlands was the subject of great conjecture and debate because he left Manchester United, where he was idolised, to do it and because of the huge finance involved.” “In footballing terms, the transfer was a "no-brainer" for City.” Hansen believes Manchester City knew exactly what they were getting from Manchester United, and suggested the transfer was a good one when compared to the relative risk in signing Robinho, or in Manchester United’s case Dimitar Berbatov. Hansen suggests the Brazilian and the Bulgarian are both mercurial on their day, but don’t offer the consistent impact or endeavor of the Manchester City striker. Hansen continued: “Tevez had shown at Old Trafford that he had ability allied to work-rate. If he started a game, you got the work-rate. If he came on as substitute, you got the work-rate - and no sulking about making a late entrance.” “When you look at him in comparison to, say, Robinho, it is like chalk and cheese.” “Robinho has got fantastic natural talent, but up against the attitude and ability of Tevez, the Argentine goes into a different stratosphere.” “At City, the fact that he has added regular goalscoring to his weaponry ensures Tevez has been totally central to their recent run of good results. He is now admired as much, if not more, at Eastlands as he was during his time at United.” The former Anfield stalwart suggests the form of Tevez and Manchester United’s inability to keep the player at Old Trafford raises real concerns over the cash available to Sir Alex Ferguson, because his side look less of one without the ex-West Ham forward. The former Liverpool captain continued: “Of course, it immediately begs the question of whether Ferguson should have kept Tevez at Old Trafford, especially in the light of Manchester United's failure to hit the heights this season.” “It is far too early to be making definitive judgments on things like that, but there is no doubt United would currently be better off having Tevez at their disposal than not.” “We have to surmise the money on offer to make the deal was bigger at Manchester City than at Manchester United.” “Ferguson had to weigh up whether Tevez was worth all of the money the transfer was going to cost and obviously decided against it.” “Clubs have a ceiling on what they will pay to buy, or in Tevez's case keep, a player.” “They may go a little over it, but United believed their ceiling had been reached when it came to Tevez. City had the money to make a deal happen and are reaping a rich reward at the moment.” “It was a good deal for City because they knew what they were getting.” Hansen believes the player’s success at Manchester City merely highlights the current malaise experienced by his Manchester United counterpart, Dimitar Berbatov, who continues to cut a frustrated figure for Sir Alex Ferguson. He told the BBC: “Tevez's success is being placed in even sharper relief by the struggles of Dimitar Berbatov.” “It is inevitable comparisons will be made - and for Berbatov they will not be flattering. For now, at least.” “If a side is struggling, then a player with Berbatov's style will always get more flak that one who plays with the all-action effort of Tevez.” “Tevez's contribution has put City in the top four and will give them genuine hopes of Champions League football next season.” “And, just lurking in the back of their minds, will be the fact that none of Chelsea, Manchester United and Arsenal has made a cast-iron case to be Premier League champions this season.” Hansen concluded: “I am not saying City will be champions, but this has been an amazing season and there is intrigue all over the place.” “If they win their game in hand, City are only three points behind Manchester United, so you can see why they will have high hopes for the rest of the season.” Hansen: Tevez's success is being placed in sharper relief by struggles of Berbatov 13 January 2010 - 11:20 \| Sport.co.uk

26th January 2010, 13:57	#645 (permalink)
Bread First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Salford, Manchester Posts: 5,434	http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...enComment=true Great Article about Teveth there, some home truths that have been neglected!

26th January 2010, 14:05	#646 (permalink)
Striker10 "Ronaldo and trophies > Manchester United football club" Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 13,348	The problem is everyone takes a stance but the fact is tevez was third choice at best. He wasn't playing in the big games. His world cup place was under threat. Not playing made it harder for united to justify paying the fee etc... Tevez is 'quoted' (if it's true or not) even during the first season as wanting to sign there and then. We dragged it on The problem is berbatov. If your tevez and you see someone signed for 30 odd million and you KNOW rooneys number one (which he stated in an interview on mutv. He knew Rooney was an 'idol') then how is he meant to get games? So people throw down arguements that are always missing a fact or two just to make sides but if we'd have wanted him, he'd have signed. We didn't want him. We wouldn't have signed a 30m striker if we did. However, if we wanted him we would have played in the big games I'd have played him against barca instead of park so I'm not sure there's much we can moan about.

26th January 2010, 14:17	#647 (permalink)
R_Kelly No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: How do you expect to run with the wolves come night, when you spend all day sparring with the puppies? Posts: 38,660	This thread needs to be allowed to die. He's gone, people have their opinions about the deal which are not going change if they haven't by this stage, there's really no point in having the same bloody debate day in day out in threads dotted around the place.

16th April 2010, 14:14	#649 (permalink)
Drifter No Lifer Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 30,930	Barcelona star Lionel Messi has taken a swipe at Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson. Messi says Ferguson should have "valued" Carlo Tevez more after allowing him to move to Manchester City. He told the Daily Express: "I have learnt a lot from Carlos. He has proved this season he is one of the best strikers in the world and Manchester United have shown just how much they have missed him. He needed to be somewhere he was valued. "He is such a nice guy, he must be with a club who really want him and respect him."

16th April 2010, 14:32	#650 (permalink)
Striker10 "Ronaldo and trophies > Manchester United football club" Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 13,348	Lets be honest here. I think we made it harder for Tevez by not giving him the contract when he asked for it. After a good first season we could have. You then buy a 30 million pound striker .......as thick as tevez is, the writings on the wall. I think Sir Alex got it wrong BUT at the same time there is always the opportunity to correct that. It's easy with hindsight though.