Tevez - Has SAF been vindicated?

Feed Me · 8th November 2009, 10:23

Carlos Tevez

I always thought he was fucking shite - can't believe people wanted Berbatov shafted for him.

Ekeke · 8th November 2009, 10:39

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Originally Posted by Treble

It's quite simple: the fans wanted Tevez to stay. SAF made it look as if Tevez turned us down so that the fans couldn't complain. Had he thought that we needed Tevez, he would have signed him.

So really, he was trying to trick the fans?

Denis' cuff · 8th November 2009, 11:16

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

So really, he was trying to trick the fans?

get a grip - you sound like a fookin journalist

Paul Scholes · 8th November 2009, 11:24

fuck tevez

scholesy legend · 8th November 2009, 11:30

I really like him as a player. As Fergie said before, he's a trier. Always had the fans behind him (similar to heinze, ironically).

But, in his first season with us, I actually saw him as a player who, in a way, slowed down our game play. Sounds familiar if we talk about Berbatov now? Skill wise he isnt as good as Berbatov and I still remember him having not such a good partnership with Rooney pre-Berbatov. And now we have Berbatov, we needed a different sort of player instead. We needed a fox-in-the-box sort of player. Tevez did score some important goals for us in the penalty box area but Owen is very well capable of doing that too.

So, Owen (who can have a bit more patience sitting on the bench) on a free, compared to Tevez for 25 odd million quids...? There's only one answer for me there.

Ekeke · 8th November 2009, 12:12

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Originally Posted by Denis' cuff

get a grip - you sound like a fookin journalist

I'm not the one suggesting he made a bid to make the fans think something, whilst not really trying to sign a player.

The whole idea is ridiculous. Clearly Sir Alex did want to sign Tevez, but thought the price was over the top. In the end, after the Ronaldo money came in, he caved and gave the go ahead and the offer was rejected.

No ulterior motives, no trying to make the fans think something. Why on earth would he do that?

sammsky1 · 8th November 2009, 12:17

Asking if SAF has been vindicated on this implies that we all thought the decision was questionable ... which is not the case at all. Indeed, on these hallow pages, many of us went head to head with the fanboi massive trying to stress the sentiments now being expressed above. That is not intended as a "I told you so", more so that there was a sizeable fan base who saw through the Tevez hype and know that more often than not, SAF is always right on such matters.

Tumbling-Dice · 8th November 2009, 14:10

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Originally Posted by Feed Me

Carlos Tevez

I always thought he was fucking shite.

Just a genuine question or two.

Did you think he was 'fucking shite' when he came on against Spurs at 2-0 down and we ended up winnng the match 5-2 ?

Did you think he was 'fucking shite' when he came on against City and scored the winner, when he was scoring match changing goals against the likes of Wigan and Stoke that without them we wouldn't have won the league ?

Did you think he was 'fucking shite' when he was playing blinders in the CL in 07/08 against the likes of Barcelona, scoring big goals against Lyon etc. Porto 09 etc ?

Don't get me wrong I'm as happy as the next man that he's gone but my memories of him are far from him being 'fucking shite'.

adexkola · 8th November 2009, 14:16

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Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice

Just a genuine question or two.

Did you think he was 'fucking shite' when he came on against Spurs at 2-0 down and we ended up winnng the match 5-2 ?

Did you think he was 'fucking shite' when he came on against City and scored the winner, when he was scoring match changing goals against the likes of Wigan and Stoke that without them we wouldn't have won the league ?

Did you think he was 'fucking shite' when he was playing blinders in the CL in 07/08 against the likes of Barcelona, scoring big goals against Lyon etc. Porto 09 etc ?

Don't get me wrong I'm as happy as the next man that he's gone but my memories of him are far from him being 'fucking shite'.

He has never hid his biased opinion

Feed Me · 8th November 2009, 14:17

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Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice

Just a genuine question or two.

Did you think he was 'fucking shite' when he came on against Spurs at 2-0 down and we ended up winnng the match 5-2 ?

He was a catalyst in that game. So was Carrick, Ronaldo, Rooney and Berbatov.

Did you think he was 'fucking shite' when he came on against City and scored the winner, when he was scoring match changing goals against the likes of Wigan and Stoke that without them we wouldn't have won the league ?

He had his good moments, there's no disputing that. But they were too infrequent. His goals ratio was average and he wasn't worth the prices quoted. My mate produced a gem of a quote the other day - "So you call attackers who don't score goals "forwards"? I call 'em shit strikers". I think that's a fair summary - a lo of heart, energy and desire. End product - meh.

Did you think he was 'fucking shite' when he was playing blinders in the CL in 07/08 against the likes of Barcelona, scoring big goals against Lyon etc. Porto 09 etc ?

Don't get me wrong I'm as happy as the next man that he's gone but my memories of him are far from him being 'fucking shite'.

Average player. I have always maintained this stance, even when he produced good moments. He's proving his mediocrity at City now.

Brwned · 8th November 2009, 14:30

Sir Alex doesn't offer £25m for mediocre strikers.

Pretty clear he's better than average.

Feed Me · 8th November 2009, 14:40

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Originally Posted by Brwned

Sir Alex doesn't offer £25m for mediocre strikers.

Pretty clear he's better than average.

I don't know what to say mate. His goals record suggests that he is quite mediocre.

He was here as third choice. We now have Owen filling that role. I don't particularly rate Owen in all honesty, but he's brought basically a guaranteed supply of goals - for £25m less.

Fergie has done good business with the Tevez-Owen thing.

Brwned · 8th November 2009, 14:43

There's more to being a striker than goals.

Feed Me · 8th November 2009, 14:51

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Originally Posted by Brwned

There's more to being a striker than goals.

Granted, but goals is a key component of a striker's game. You name a top class striker with a shoddy goals record.

I think high levels of application and good energy should be applauded, but it's not enough for United. I always draw the comparison with Rooney, who also works his bollocks off, but yet allies it with real footballing ability.

I've always said that Tevez's workrate was a mask for pretty average ability.

adexkola · 8th November 2009, 14:59

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Originally Posted by Feed Me

Granted, but goals is a key component of a striker's game. You name a top class striker with a shoddy goals record.

Berbatov

*Ducks for cover*

Spoony Youngblood · 8th November 2009, 15:01

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Originally Posted by adexkola

Berbatov

*Ducks for cover*

Years Team Apps† (Gls)†
1998–2001 CSKA Sofia 50 (25)
2001–2006 Bayer Leverkusen 154 (69)
2006–2008 Tottenham Hotspur 70 (27)
2008– Manchester United 42 (13)
National team‡
1999– Bulgaria 73 (46)

Not really that shoddy, to be fair.

Brwned · 8th November 2009, 15:02

Berbatov's not got the best goals record for us.

Take away Tevez's workrate and he's still a good player.

Could've had a hattrick of assists last time I watched him play, showed his vision.

To some extent Tevez's workrate leads to people looking down on him.

peterstorey · 8th November 2009, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Brwned

Could've had a hattrick of assists last time I watched him play, showed his vision.

To some extent Tevez's workrate leads to people looking down on him.

He's got 0 assists this season.

Youngie · 8th November 2009, 15:12

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

He's got 0 assists this season.

I remember him laying on Barry's goal against us when Foster spazzed up.
I agree he aint worth 25 mill though!

Brwned · 8th November 2009, 15:16

Not his fault if Adebayor doesn't finish off those chances.

Tumbling-Dice · 8th November 2009, 15:21

Didn't he lay one off for Adebayor that went in early on in the season ?

I'm sure he did.

Tumbling-Dice · 8th November 2009, 15:23

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

He's got 0 assists this season.

He's got 4 according to this.

English Premier League - Top Assists - 2009/2010 - ESPN Soccernet

MrMarcello · 8th November 2009, 15:38

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Originally Posted by Brwned

To some extent Tevez's workrate leads to people looking down on him.

And many more overrating him.

Brwned · 8th November 2009, 15:49

If workrate made players overrated then Robbie Savage and Paul Dickov would've been rated a lot higher than they were.

It doesn't.

Pogue Mahone · 22nd November 2009, 11:43

Made an impact from the bench yesterday, after looking impotent in his last few starts. Which is pretty much all he ended up offering for United.

Not to say he wouldn't have been a great player to have in our squad. I think he would have been. The only problem is that Tevez wouldn't accept that he might not be good enough to start every game. I wonder how long before he starts whining about getting the same treatment at City?

Decotron · 22nd November 2009, 12:38

Played well yesterday. He was the ideal player to compliment Roo and Ron in a 433. In a 442 he just inst as effective.

MrMarcello · 22nd November 2009, 16:12

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Originally Posted by Brwned

If workrate made players overrated then Robbie Savage and Paul Dickov would've been rated a lot higher than they were.

It doesn't.

Dickov and Savage never scored goals for United and convinced fans to overrate them.

Pogue Mahone · 22nd November 2009, 16:21

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Originally Posted by Decotron

Played well yesterday. He was the ideal player to compliment Roo and Ron in a 433. In a 442 he just inst as effective.

Dunno about "ideal", or even if the formation made a big difference.

He was lucky enough to play alongside Ronaldo at his very best for a whole season. Most strikers would shine in that scenario, in any formation.

mjs020294 · 22nd November 2009, 16:40

Teevz is a useful player with a great work ethic. At a club like United he is a 2nd-3rd choice striker. Not worth the money his agents wanted in fees and transfers.

So yes SAF is vindicated.

Name Changed · 22nd November 2009, 18:29

Tevez was brilliant for the club in his first season. He obviously does have a lot to offer and will do at the right club and the right system. People slag him off too easily just because of how his time ended at the club. He is a good player, a very good one, who was part (an integral one) of the Champions League winning team of 2008. He gets slagged off too easily just because he is a cunt.

Sunny Jim · 23rd November 2009, 07:31

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Originally Posted by Ole240599

I loved Tevez for all his effort in the last 2 seasons. Also, he endeared himself further by scoring some important goals. All of that said 25 million for a less than prolific goalscorer was something that I struggled to justify. I guess SAF was thinking the same and felt that at best Tevez was a 3rd or 4th striker in his rotation and was not good enough to be a regular starter for us.

In light of his outburst's and paltry goal return (something like 1 goal in 9 league games) I firmly believe that SAF's stance has been vindicated. Do you agree?

hmm Berba -2 goals and 2 assists so far. Clearly worth 30,75 mil.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 23rd November 2009, 08:22

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Originally Posted by Name Changed

Tevez was brilliant for the club in his first season. He obviously does have a lot to offer and will do at the right club and the right system. People slag him off too easily just because of how his time ended at the club. He is a good player, a very good one, who was part (an integral one) of the Champions League winning team of 2008. He gets slagged off too easily just because he is a cunt.

This

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 23rd November 2009, 08:23

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Originally Posted by Feed Me

Carlos Tevez

I always thought he was fucking shite ....

We always knew he had bad taste in women

topper · 23rd November 2009, 08:38

In an interview after the Poo game Hughes was inferring that Tevez was best as an impact sub coming off the bench. So much for Tevez move to be first choice - up yours you twat

Trigg · 23rd November 2009, 09:01

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Originally Posted by topper

In an interview after the Poo game Hughes was inferring that Tevez was best as an impact sub coming off the bench. So much for Tevez move to be first choice - up yours you twat

I didn't watch the game but noticed he didn't start. Hee hee.

snootyjim · 23rd November 2009, 09:28

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

It's embarrassing. People should stick to what they first said about him. Rather than being pansies.

Well I first thought that he was an extremely talented player who could be one of the best strikers in the league playing for United up front with Rooney.

I thought he gave everything, and gave him a lot of credit for that, but he never built on his first season's success - I remember a lot of people saying that he'd been unfit and would be far better in his second year.

Obviously it didn't turn out that way, and although I wanted him to stay (and was gutted when he left), now that he's not in the United shirt it's much easier to see that he just isn't a very good footballer. We've probably saved £30m or so by getting Owen instead, which is fantastically good business, especially when the twat is implying that he'll retire to Argentina in the fairly near future.

I don't watch United in the same way, analytically, as you do Chief - I'm not sure I could give even a decent "out of 10" score to each player at the end. So it's only now that he's left that I'm really starting to see what he's all about, and have hence changed my opinion. Not convinced that there's anything wrong with that.

The Wizard · 23rd November 2009, 09:39

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Originally Posted by Allforone

Everyone who knew Tevez for what he was new Sir Alex was vindicated months ago...Tevez is not and never has been worth anything close to 25/30 million..never in a million years and anyone thinking otherwise is deluding themselves...id say 15 million is about his right price for what he brings to the side apart from the old "work rate and headless chicken routines" of course....the amount of times id hear people defend him and claim he deserved to be in our team becasue he "worked hard" and "tackled alot"....

what a crock of shite!

I believe his international record playing for and leading the line for one of the heavyweights of world football reads as...7 goals in 55 appearances....truly shocking...to put that into perspective thats a goal ratio of close to 1 every 8 games! For Argentina!....rubbish....i wont even mention his pultry return for us last season when you take out his mickey mouse cup goals against reserves...cough *5 in 28 league games*...

Hes a workhorse and nothing more plain and simple...he chases the ball like an overexcitable puppy after an inflatable and then has no clue what to do with it when he gets it..his first touch is so bad his second is often a tackle attempt...he dosnt score goals...he dosnt create goals...hes got no physcial presence/height to bring others into play like a Drogba etc..hes for all intensive purposes a defensive midfielder playing up front...

Hes a decent player but City are now realising just why the more knowledgeable of United fans were not crying into their cornflakes when we discovered we wernt paying 25 million for his headless chicken antics for another 5 years....Thank christ!

Great post.

A lot of people here accept most of what is said in this post... but defended Tevez despite this, because they felt he was a loyal player that would die for the cause a real 'warrior'. That has been proved totally inaccurate, and those people see his true colours now.

I never wanted us to spend the £25M on him, but that was because I was desperate for us to sign a proper world class striker for that money, like Benzema. That didn't work out either though

Denis' cuff · 23rd November 2009, 09:39

he sure made Ciddy look sharper when he came on - gave them purpose and direction when they'd looked vague.

Maybe that's his best role - pent up frustration on the bench unleashing itself when a sub. He wasn't exactly Maradonna, but he had a positive effect on the Berties.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 23rd November 2009, 09:43

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Originally Posted by snootyjim

Well I first thought that he was an extremely talented player who could be one of the best strikers in the league playing for United up front with Rooney.

I thought he gave everything, and gave him a lot of credit for that, but he never built on his first season's success - I remember a lot of people saying that he'd been unfit and would be far better in his second year.

Obviously it didn't turn out that way, and although I wanted him to stay (and was gutted when he left), now that he's not in the United shirt it's much easier to see that he just isn't a very good footballer. We've probably saved £30m or so by getting Owen instead, which is fantastically good business, especially when the twat is implying that he'll retire to Argentina in the fairly near future.

I don't watch United in the same way, analytically, as you do Chief - I'm not sure I could give even a decent "out of 10" score to each player at the end. So it's only now that he's left that I'm really starting to see what he's all about, and have hence changed my opinion. Not convinced that there's anything wrong with that.

It just smacks of fickleness though, to have liked him when he was here and shinning and now to diss him now he is gone. I don't mean you in particular tbf. But I think you know what I mean if you look at some of the other posts in here.

For me I wont ever hide the fact I rated him as world class before his arrival. He has since proved me wrong but I still believe he is a very good player. That is why SAF contemplated paying 25 million for him. For those claiming he is poor or shite after how he played for us in his first season is shameful for me.

Decotron · 23rd November 2009, 11:30

Hughes sees Tevez as 'impact' player

Mark Hughes has told Carlos Tevez to get used to life on the bench after warning all of his stars he will use the full depth of his squad.

Tevez: Must get used to life on the bench

Manchester City's attacking riches have meant competition for places has never been so fierce at Eastlands, with Tevez one of those who has had to warm the substitutes' bench.

At Anfield on Saturday, the Argentine made a real impact as a second-half substitute, helping City to come from behind to lead before eventually having to settle for a 2-2 draw with Liverpool.

Tevez moved to City in the summer from neighbours Manchester United after becoming exasperated by a lack of playing time at Old Trafford.

With City electing to play with just one up front for some away games this season, usually Emmanuel Adebayor, it would appear Tevez could spend at least part of the campaign kicking his heels on the bench.

"It was always my intention to bring him on at some point in the game because of the impact Carlos can have from the bench," said Hughes.

"I thought he was excellent. He came on, had a real impact as I knew he would do and we got in a winning position which, unfortunately, we didn't see through.

"He won't play every game. There are a lot of players who won't play every game.

"We have a good squad. It is about making sure we look after the players we have.

"We have been working on specific things this week and he totally understood the thinking behind it.

"There will be games when my decisions will affect other players, and I will always try to explain those reasons and help them understand why they are not involved from the start.

"Carlos is an experienced player and he understands that on occasion against different opposition and different teams, you need different personnel."

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8th November 2009, 10:23	#81 (permalink)
Feed Me I'm hungry Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Berbatov has Cantona’s knack of being the man amid a stampede towards the door who stops to notice a side exit that nobody else has seen. Posts: 19,732	Carlos Tevez I always thought he was fucking shite - can't believe people wanted Berbatov shafted for him.

8th November 2009, 11:24	#84 (permalink)
Paul Scholes Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Guaba Land Posts: 838	fuck tevez

8th November 2009, 11:30	#85 (permalink)
scholesy legend Incorrigible pest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The 'Greater' Manchester Posts: 4,946	I really like him as a player. As Fergie said before, he's a trier. Always had the fans behind him (similar to heinze, ironically). But, in his first season with us, I actually saw him as a player who, in a way, slowed down our game play. Sounds familiar if we talk about Berbatov now? Skill wise he isnt as good as Berbatov and I still remember him having not such a good partnership with Rooney pre-Berbatov. And now we have Berbatov, we needed a different sort of player instead. We needed a fox-in-the-box sort of player. Tevez did score some important goals for us in the penalty box area but Owen is very well capable of doing that too. So, Owen (who can have a bit more patience sitting on the bench) on a free, compared to Tevez for 25 odd million quids...? There's only one answer for me there.

8th November 2009, 12:17	#87 (permalink)
sammsky1 First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Behind my  Posts: 10,764	Asking if SAF has been vindicated on this implies that we all thought the decision was questionable ... which is not the case at all. Indeed, on these hallow pages, many of us went head to head with the fanboi massive trying to stress the sentiments now being expressed above. That is not intended as a "I told you so", more so that there was a sizeable fan base who saw through the Tevez hype and know that more often than not, SAF is always right on such matters.

8th November 2009, 14:30	#91 (permalink)
Brwned Poster of the year: 2010 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 33,938	Sir Alex doesn't offer £25m for mediocre strikers. Pretty clear he's better than average.

8th November 2009, 14:43	#93 (permalink)
Brwned Poster of the year: 2010 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 33,938	There's more to being a striker than goals.

8th November 2009, 15:02	#97 (permalink)
Brwned Poster of the year: 2010 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 33,938	Berbatov's not got the best goals record for us. Take away Tevez's workrate and he's still a good player. Could've had a hattrick of assists last time I watched him play, showed his vision. To some extent Tevez's workrate leads to people looking down on him.

8th November 2009, 15:16	#100 (permalink)
Brwned Poster of the year: 2010 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 33,938	Not his fault if Adebayor doesn't finish off those chances.

8th November 2009, 15:21	#101 (permalink)
Tumbling-Dice Caf Nostradamus Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Roy Keane has five kids, partly because of his Irish Catholic background, and partly because someone told him that Patrick Vieira has four. Posts: 18,820	Didn't he lay one off for Adebayor that went in early on in the season ? I'm sure he did.

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Brwned Poster of the year: 2010 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 33,938	If workrate made players overrated then Robbie Savage and Paul Dickov would've been rated a lot higher than they were. It doesn't.

22nd November 2009, 11:43	#105 (permalink)
Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "like a man in silk pyjamas shooting pigeons from a deckchair" Posts: 59,522	Made an impact from the bench yesterday, after looking impotent in his last few starts. Which is pretty much all he ended up offering for United. Not to say he wouldn't have been a great player to have in our squad. I think he would have been. The only problem is that Tevez wouldn't accept that he might not be good enough to start every game. I wonder how long before he starts whining about getting the same treatment at City?

22nd November 2009, 12:38	#106 (permalink)
Decotron First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: I am not a man......................I am Cantona Posts: 20,025	Played well yesterday. He was the ideal player to compliment Roo and Ron in a 433. In a 442 he just inst as effective.

22nd November 2009, 16:40	#109 (permalink)
mjs020294 First Team Regular Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ex-Pat in Florida Posts: 14,987	Teevz is a useful player with a great work ethic. At a club like United he is a 2nd-3rd choice striker. Not worth the money his agents wanted in fees and transfers. So yes SAF is vindicated.

22nd November 2009, 18:29	#110 (permalink)
Name Changed weso26 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dublin Posts: 21,014	Tevez was brilliant for the club in his first season. He obviously does have a lot to offer and will do at the right club and the right system. People slag him off too easily just because of how his time ended at the club. He is a good player, a very good one, who was part (an integral one) of the Champions League winning team of 2008. He gets slagged off too easily just because he is a cunt.

23rd November 2009, 08:38	#114 (permalink)
topper Clown Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: I love librarians Posts: 15,111	In an interview after the Poo game Hughes was inferring that Tevez was best as an impact sub coming off the bench. So much for Tevez move to be first choice - up yours you twat

23rd November 2009, 09:39	#118 (permalink)
Denis' cuff First Team Sub Join Date: May 2007 Location: here Posts: 5,496	he sure made Ciddy look sharper when he came on - gave them purpose and direction when they'd looked vague. Maybe that's his best role - pent up frustration on the bench unleashing itself when a sub. He wasn't exactly Maradonna, but he had a positive effect on the Berties.

23rd November 2009, 11:30	#120 (permalink)
Decotron First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: I am not a man......................I am Cantona Posts: 20,025	Hughes sees Tevez as 'impact' player Mark Hughes has told Carlos Tevez to get used to life on the bench after warning all of his stars he will use the full depth of his squad. Tevez: Must get used to life on the bench Manchester City's attacking riches have meant competition for places has never been so fierce at Eastlands, with Tevez one of those who has had to warm the substitutes' bench. At Anfield on Saturday, the Argentine made a real impact as a second-half substitute, helping City to come from behind to lead before eventually having to settle for a 2-2 draw with Liverpool. Tevez moved to City in the summer from neighbours Manchester United after becoming exasperated by a lack of playing time at Old Trafford. With City electing to play with just one up front for some away games this season, usually Emmanuel Adebayor, it would appear Tevez could spend at least part of the campaign kicking his heels on the bench. "It was always my intention to bring him on at some point in the game because of the impact Carlos can have from the bench," said Hughes. "I thought he was excellent. He came on, had a real impact as I knew he would do and we got in a winning position which, unfortunately, we didn't see through. "He won't play every game. There are a lot of players who won't play every game. "We have a good squad. It is about making sure we look after the players we have. "We have been working on specific things this week and he totally understood the thinking behind it. "There will be games when my decisions will affect other players, and I will always try to explain those reasons and help them understand why they are not involved from the start. "Carlos is an experienced player and he understands that on occasion against different opposition and different teams, you need different personnel."