Thought for the day: United, you're not as big as you think

Kelvin · 21st June 2008, 13:07

Manchester United trumpet themselves as the biggest club in the world.
This week they are finding out they are anything but.

Any way you want to look at it, they are in Real Madrid's shadow. In terms of prestige, global power, European Cups, league titles...you name it.

Cristiano Ronaldo knows it. Which is exactly why he's kicking at the emergency exit door at Old Trafford.

United had a good season, but they got lucky in Europe and only won the Premier League because Chelsea shot themselves in the foot so many times last season.

Ronaldo can make himself a better footballer, and a wealthier individual, by leaving United for a bigger club.

Just as Michael Carrick improved his lot by leaving West Ham for Fergie. As did Rio Ferdinand by moving from Leeds.

Big clubs feed on the better players of smaller clubs. That's what Real Madrid are now doing with Manchester United.

Fergie can have the biggest strop of all time, he can scream himself redder than he's ever coloured his cheeks before, but it won't make any difference.

The choice in front of Ronaldo is another season bullying flat-footed English defenders alongside the likes of Wes Brown, Darren Fletcher and Ji-sung Park in the Manchester rain or showing off his skills in the sunshine of Madrid in a team of superstars.

Bit of a no-brainer, really.

United, you're not quite as big as you think.

http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sp...ted.4210393.jp

Utd heap · 21st June 2008, 13:08

What a load of bollocks...

Ignore it.

Spoonatov · 21st June 2008, 13:09

'team of superstars'

KingEric7 · 21st June 2008, 13:09

Hehe. There's so much wrong with that article it's actually laughable.

ZIDANE · 21st June 2008, 13:12

How do these people get such jobs.

olesmyhero · 21st June 2008, 13:12

Manchester United: Far Bigger than Northampton.

Feed Me · 21st June 2008, 13:15

Feed Me · 21st June 2008, 13:15

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Originally Posted by olesmyhero

Manchester United: Far Bigger than Northampton.

Manchester United Reserves: Far bigger than Northampton.

VoetbalWizard · 21st June 2008, 13:17

terrible article, but in one of the press conferences (the one where fergie is swigging on a glass of white), fergie does say that it is imperative for united to build on this european cup and estabilish a dynasty with this group of players and win more european cups so they are closer to milan's and madrid's tally. that will definitely grow the club's stature abroad.

Ixion · 21st June 2008, 13:18

I could have sworn Carrick came from Spurs.

FlawlessThaw · 21st June 2008, 13:18

We arguably have more superstars than Madrid anyway.

rufus diabolus · 21st June 2008, 13:22

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Originally Posted by Ixion

I could have sworn Carrick came from Spurs.

Aye, can't even get his facts right.

VoetbalWizard · 21st June 2008, 13:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlawlessThaw

We arguably have more superstars than Madrid anyway.

true. but i still hate when we played them in 02/03 how our team was 'awed' by their lineup (i.e. zidane, ronaldo, figo, raul, etc.). you could see it in our lads eyes. its something i've always hated about our teams in europe.

against the madrid's and milan's, a lot of times our players, even though they are supremely accomplished, get star struck.

hopefully this generation can put that to rest for good.

olesmyhero · 21st June 2008, 13:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

true. but i still hate when we played them in 02/03 how our team was 'awed' by their lineup (i.e. zidane, ronaldo, figo, raul, etc.). you could see it in our lads eyes. its something i've always hated about our teams in europe.

against the madrid's and milan's, a lot of times our players, even though they are supremely accomplished, get star struck.

hopefully this generation can put that to rest for good.

I can see Anderson not giving a fuck and going after other superstars.

VoetbalWizard · 21st June 2008, 13:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by olesmyhero

I can see Anderson not giving a fuck and going after other superstars.

yup, which is why he is already one of my 3 most fav players at united, and i wanted him really bad even when he was at porto.

so surprised that we got him still. seriously im still buzzing from that transfer. nani will pan out to be good, but i tought he'd bust but anderson would make up for the cost for both.

ANDERSON IS MY HOMEBOY

Striker10 · 21st June 2008, 13:39

In certain parts of the world we are in certain parts we're not, but clearly we're growing with players like Anderson, Tevez, Nani getting people from other countries interested

It takes time, but Ronaldo leaving would not prove anything. He grew up watching spanish football because of location etc and these things leave an impression on a person.

It's changing though, with the premiership recognised as being the best league if we continue our development in the europe we can make massive strides

But it's a funny thing. Manchester United '3 European cups', Barcelona '2 European cups', Notts Forest '2 European cups' etc

So a big part is not so much the past but what you do now and we're champions of Europe. Reclaiming that title etc would be amazing for the club

RedKaos · 21st June 2008, 13:40

Cheers for the good laugh.

AttackingFlair · 21st June 2008, 13:42

Ridiculous. If there's anything Madrid lack it is "superstars" and that's one of the main reasons they're looking to Ronaldo.

When you think of the Barcelona of two seasons ago you would always think of "Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Messi" etc they are pretty much superstars.

When I think of Real Madrid right now, I can't think of these so-called "superstars", two of their best players are at right back and in goal.

They do have quality players etc but not superstars and that's what they're lacking... at least right now.

Crustanoid · 21st June 2008, 13:44

I'm guessin Madrids consistent poor form in the ECL is somehow 'all part of the plan'. Obviously must be because how come the 'smaller club' won it this year?'

Nem 7 · 21st June 2008, 13:44

It's true, we're Bayern, Ajax level.

Liverpool are the closest to Real from the UK.

Cold_Boy · 21st June 2008, 13:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelvin

The choice in front of Ronaldo is another season bullying flat-footed English defenders alongside the likes of Wes Brown, Darren Fletcher and Ji-sung Park in the Manchester rain or showing off his skills in the sunshine of Madrid in a team of superstars.

http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sp...ted.4210393.jp

Hehe.I loved this part.

Wes Brown,Fletcher and Park are our best players and superstars right?

Yianni · 21st June 2008, 13:49

I personally feel our club has more 'superstars' then them.

Just because a player goes to that club doesn't make them better then everyone else.

Thank fuck our club doesn't self proclaim itself to be something they maybe not.

Real Madrid must get a hard-on each time they try to convince everyone their the greatest thing since slice bread.

VoetbalWizard · 21st June 2008, 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nem 7

It's true, we're Bayern, Ajax level.

Liverpool are the closest to Real from the UK.

its not just about the european trophies.

it helps making a club big, but isn't the be all end all.

hope you're on a wind up mate.

Feed Me · 21st June 2008, 13:54

Who gives a feck about superstars? If we want to start counting them, the we have more than Madrid, but whatever. It is all about being reigning European Champions.

Nem 7 · 21st June 2008, 13:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

its not just about the european trophies.

it helps making a club big, but isn't the be all end all.

hope you're on a wind up mate.

What is it about then?

Great support? Chelsea have always had great support..

Numbers of trophies won home and abroad? Liverpool have us there..

Surviving disasters? Torino have suffered similar tragedies to us..

Great players? Ajax have arguably have produced more top class players over a longer period of time..

Is it wealth? Real Madrid can match us for this...

I don't need my club to be the best or biggest for me to love it.

ciderman9000000 · 21st June 2008, 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feed Me

Manchester United Reserves: Far bigger than Northampton.

Stoke: Far bigger than Northampton.

Cornell · 21st June 2008, 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nem 7

What is it about then?

Great support? Chelsea have always had great support..

Numbers of trophies won home and abroad? Liverpool have us there..

Surviving disasters? Torino have suffered similar tragedies to us..

Great players? Ajax have arguably have produced more top class players over a longer period of time..

Is it wealth? Real Madrid can match us for this...

Alright you win, we're fucking shit.

FlawlessThaw · 21st June 2008, 14:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nem 7

What is it about then?

Great support? Chelsea have always had great support..

Numbers of trophies won home and abroad? Liverpool have us there..

Surviving disasters? Torino have suffered similar tragedies to us..

Great players? Ajax have arguably have produced more top class players over a longer period of time..

Is it wealth? Real Madrid can match us for this...

I don't need my club to be the best or biggest for me to love it.

It's a combination of all.

KingEric7 · 21st June 2008, 14:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nem 7

What is it about then?

Great support? Chelsea have always had great support..

Numbers of trophies won home and abroad? Liverpool have us there..

Surviving disasters? Torino have suffered similar tragedies to us..

Great players? Ajax have arguably have produced more top class players over a longer period of time..

Is it wealth? Real Madrid can match us for this...

I don't need my club to be the best or biggest for me to love it.

You've just named 5 different clubs to encapsulate what we have at this club.........

ThatOldRedMagic · 21st June 2008, 14:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZIDANE

How do these people get such jobs.

So you think being a fifth rate hack for a deadbeat provincial rag like the - what is it? - The Bootmaker's Chronic Tedium - is a job?

21st June 2008, 13:07	#1 (permalink)
Kelvin First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,612	Thought for the day: United, you're not as big as you think Manchester United trumpet themselves as the biggest club in the world. This week they are finding out they are anything but. Any way you want to look at it, they are in Real Madrid's shadow. In terms of prestige, global power, European Cups, league titles...you name it. Cristiano Ronaldo knows it. Which is exactly why he's kicking at the emergency exit door at Old Trafford. United had a good season, but they got lucky in Europe and only won the Premier League because Chelsea shot themselves in the foot so many times last season. Ronaldo can make himself a better footballer, and a wealthier individual, by leaving United for a bigger club. Just as Michael Carrick improved his lot by leaving West Ham for Fergie. As did Rio Ferdinand by moving from Leeds. Big clubs feed on the better players of smaller clubs. That's what Real Madrid are now doing with Manchester United. Fergie can have the biggest strop of all time, he can scream himself redder than he's ever coloured his cheeks before, but it won't make any difference. The choice in front of Ronaldo is another season bullying flat-footed English defenders alongside the likes of Wes Brown, Darren Fletcher and Ji-sung Park in the Manchester rain or showing off his skills in the sunshine of Madrid in a team of superstars. Bit of a no-brainer, really. United, you're not quite as big as you think. http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sp...ted.4210393.jp

21st June 2008, 13:08	#2 (permalink)
Utd heap First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: At an away ground near you... Posts: 7,461	What a load of bollocks... Ignore it.

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Spoonatov El Presidente - Voted best poster 2007 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Number 17. (Laura's got a cellulite arse). RIP Jermaine Stewart. Posts: 26,903	'team of superstars'

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KingEric7 Winner of the Tabata bet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Patrice Evra is that which no greater can be conceived. Posts: 13,240	Hehe. There's so much wrong with that article it's actually laughable.

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ZIDANE Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: "..undoubtedly the best midfielder of his generation." Zizou on Scholes Posts: 4,871	How do these people get such jobs.

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VoetbalWizard Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,240	terrible article, but in one of the press conferences (the one where fergie is swigging on a glass of white), fergie does say that it is imperative for united to build on this european cup and estabilish a dynasty with this group of players and win more european cups so they are closer to milan's and madrid's tally. that will definitely grow the club's stature abroad.

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Ixion Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greater Manchester Posts: 3,302	I could have sworn Carrick came from Spurs.

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FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 9,450	We arguably have more superstars than Madrid anyway.

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Striker10 First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,308	In certain parts of the world we are in certain parts we're not, but clearly we're growing with players like Anderson, Tevez, Nani getting people from other countries interested It takes time, but Ronaldo leaving would not prove anything. He grew up watching spanish football because of location etc and these things leave an impression on a person. It's changing though, with the premiership recognised as being the best league if we continue our development in the europe we can make massive strides But it's a funny thing. Manchester United '3 European cups', Barcelona '2 European cups', Notts Forest '2 European cups' etc So a big part is not so much the past but what you do now and we're champions of Europe. Reclaiming that title etc would be amazing for the club

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RedKaos Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chad Warden Posts: 3,973	Cheers for the good laugh.

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AttackingFlair Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Location Location Location ;) Posts: 2,755	Ridiculous. If there's anything Madrid lack it is "superstars" and that's one of the main reasons they're looking to Ronaldo. When you think of the Barcelona of two seasons ago you would always think of "Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Messi" etc they are pretty much superstars. When I think of Real Madrid right now, I can't think of these so-called "superstars", two of their best players are at right back and in goal. They do have quality players etc but not superstars and that's what they're lacking... at least right now.

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Crustanoid Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lancs Posts: 1,950	I'm guessin Madrids consistent poor form in the ECL is somehow 'all part of the plan'. Obviously must be because how come the 'smaller club' won it this year?'

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Nem 7 Look, I'm a cunt, can type in colour so I must be important. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Outside Right Posts: 4,861	It's true, we're Bayern, Ajax level. Liverpool are the closest to Real from the UK.

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Yianni First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,251	I personally feel our club has more 'superstars' then them. Just because a player goes to that club doesn't make them better then everyone else. Thank fuck our club doesn't self proclaim itself to be something they maybe not. Real Madrid must get a hard-on each time they try to convince everyone their the greatest thing since slice bread.

21st June 2008, 13:54	#24 (permalink)
Feed Me bobbobray - hits women. Big man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Berbatov has Cantona’s knack of being the man amid a stampede towards the door who stops to notice a side exit that nobody else has seen. Posts: 9,163	Who gives a feck about superstars? If we want to start counting them, the we have more than Madrid, but whatever. It is all about being reigning European Champions.