Thought for the day: United, you're not as big as you think

Spoonatov · 21st June 2008, 14:52

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Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice

I stopped reading there.

Bollocks.

Was the most clueless post ever.

RapidRed · 21st June 2008, 14:55

Fuck sake. This is going to get very very tiresome now. Stories will be cropping up left, right and center about the following

1. Supposed bust ups between Ronaldo and anyone related to United over this deal
2. Ronaldo always being a bit time Charlie, even during the last 2 years.
3. His relationship with Madrid as opposed to United.
4. How he did this that and the other because of which United fans should hate him.

These stories will be written by journos who will suddenly seem to have become lifelong United fans caring about the traditions and values of the club. All such stories will receive great acclaim all over the internet.

Time to go back into business, Spoons?

Sarni · 21st June 2008, 14:58

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Originally Posted by Nem 7

Ajax have won more domestic titles, domestic cups and European trophies and have been a constantly produced top players.

They could argue that they're second behind Madrid, as could Liverpool, AC ect...

Don't get me wrong, we're there or thereabouts, but if we're taking one from each country, we're second tier along with Barca, Inter.

You're making yourself look like a fool.

Rudie · 21st June 2008, 15:00

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Originally Posted by Nem 7

Great support? Chelsea have always had great support..

Great players? Ajax have arguably have produced more top class players over a longer period of time..

It's because of posters like you that i never venture into the football forums to post that much.

Nem 7 · 21st June 2008, 15:04

We have a great history but footballs first language is trophies.

Great players are measured by the trophies they won, how many of us downplay Shearer's career because of the medals he's won (or not won?) Therefore clubs should be judged by the same standards.

This is why Real Madrid are seen as number one, this is why Liverpool constantly shove "18-5" down our throats.

We're top five in the world (3-5) sorry if this alarms you.

Spoonatov · 21st June 2008, 15:04

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Originally Posted by RapidRed

Fuck sake. This is going to get very very tiresome now. Stories will be cropping up left, right and center about the following

1. Supposed bust ups between Ronaldo and anyone related to United over this deal
2. Ronaldo always being a bit time Charlie, even during the last 2 years.
3. His relationship with Madrid as opposed to United.
4. How he did this that and the other because of which United fans should hate him.

These stories will be written by journos who will suddenly seem to have become lifelong United fans caring about the traditions and values of the club. All such stories will receive great acclaim all over the internet.

Time to go back into business, Spoons?

Aye. Anything to lure Messi, Kaka and Eusebio

Spoonatov · 21st June 2008, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Nem 7

We have a great history but footballs first language is trophies.

Great players are measured by the trophies they won, how many of us downplay Shearer's career by the medals he's won (or not won?) Therefore clubs should be judged by the same standards.

This is why Real Madrid are seen as number one, this is why Liverpool constantly shove "18-5" down our throats.

We're top five in the world (3-5) sorry if this alarms you.

Rudie · 21st June 2008, 15:07

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Originally Posted by Nem 7

We have a great history but footballs first language is trophies.

Great players are measured by the trophies they won, how many of us downplay Shearer's career by the medals he's won (or not won?) Therefore clubs should be judged by the same standards.

This is why Real Madrid are seen as number one, this is why Liverpool constantly shove "18-5" down our throats.

We're top five in the world (3-5) sorry if this alarms you.

Clueless should be your username; us, Barca and Porto are the teams that have appeared most often in the group stages and IMO should have won more times than the history book states. Trophies aren't everything and neither are statistics, especially if they come from the same place as your "Chelsea fans being great" stat, and leagues can't be compared like you're doing.

Sorry if this alarms you.

ZIDANE · 21st June 2008, 15:10

He probably wrote the article in the first post.

Nem 7 · 21st June 2008, 15:12

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Originally Posted by Rudie

Clueless should be your username; us, Barca and Porto are the teams that have appeared most often in the group stages and IMO should have won more times than the history book states. Trophies aren't everything and neither are statistics, especially if they come from the same place as your "Chelsea fans being great" stat.

I didn't say they were great fans of the club, I said their support has been great, historically they're top 10 for fan base, which is good considering what they've actually achieved.

If someone believes that reaching group stages and being "should have been winners" add to the mystique of being a big club, I'm not the only clueless one.

londonredmaniac · 21st June 2008, 15:12

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Originally Posted by Nem 7

What is it about then?

Great support? Chelsea have always had great support..

Numbers of trophies won home and abroad? Liverpool have us there..

Surviving disasters? Torino have suffered similar tragedies to us..

Great players? Ajax have arguably have produced more top class players over a longer period of time..

Is it wealth? Real Madrid can match us for this...

I don't need my club to be the best or biggest for me to love it.

eh?? thats just incorrect. The rest i will agree with

Rudie · 21st June 2008, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Nem 7

I didn't say they were great fans of the club, I said their support has been great, historically they're top 10 for fan base, which is good considering what they've actually achieved.

If someone believes that reaching group stages and being "should have been winners" add to the mystique of being a big club, I'm not the only clueless one.

Consistancy > Luck, and since the introduction of group stages those teams have been the most consistant. Before then the Champions League was 100% luck. Nots Forest bigger or equal to Barca? This is what you're saying.

Spoonatov · 21st June 2008, 15:13

Heard it all now. Chelsea have great support.

Nem 7 · 21st June 2008, 15:17

Substitute Chelsea fans for Roma, Arsenal, Everton, Villa if you please.

The point still stands.

We as fans suffer from delusions of grandeur, we're not the biggest club in the world AC or Real hold that title (depending on who you talk to), and will do for a while to come.

Which is why big fish (real) can come in and take smaller fishes (us) biggest names when they please. Becks '03 Ruud '06

Being known as the biggest club in the world doesn't enhance nor dour my enjoyment of this football club I love and support, it shouldn't for you either.

KeyserSoze · 21st June 2008, 15:22

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Originally Posted by Nem 7

Which is why big fish (real) and come in and take smaller fish (us) biggest names when they please.

When? Has Ronaldo been sold?

Spoonatov · 21st June 2008, 15:23

Shearer's not as great as David may, because the former has only one championship medal. Villa are a bigger club than Arse because they've won a EC. . .

Cracking stuff, mate.

Well done.

FlawlessThaw · 21st June 2008, 15:24

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Originally Posted by Nem 7

Which is why big fish (real) can come in and take smaller fishes (us) biggest names when they please. Becks '03 Ruud '06

We sold Beckham and Ruud out "because we wanted to". It was fairly obvious at the time and it's fairly obvious right now. I was even glad we got rid of Ruud when we did.

Selling Ronaldo this summer would be the first time we will sell a player we initially wanted to keep.

KeyserSoze · 21st June 2008, 15:26

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Originally Posted by Spoonov

Shearer's not as great as David may, because the former has only one championship medal. Villa are a bigger club than Arse because they've won a EC. . .

Spoonov, I agree with what you have said but David May, you could have used somebody else, cult hero I tell you

Nem 7 · 21st June 2008, 15:26

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Originally Posted by FlawlessThaw

We sold Beckham and Ruud out "because we wanted to". It was fairly obvious at the time and it's fairly obvious right now. I was even glad we got rid of Ruud when we did.

Selling Ronaldo this summer would be the first time we will sell a player we initially wanted to keep.

We wanted Beckham to go to Barca, Real came calling and what happened?

We didn't want to sell Ruud, Real came calling and what happened?

Nem 7 · 21st June 2008, 15:28

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Originally Posted by Spoonov

Shearer's not as great as David may, because the former has only one championship medal. Villa are a bigger club than Arse because they've won a EC. . .
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I could see a Villa fan or 'Spurs fan arguing that point with a straight face.

FlawlessThaw · 21st June 2008, 15:29

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Originally Posted by Nem 7

We wanted Beckham to go to Barca, Real came calling and what happened?

We didn't want to sell Ruud, Real came calling and what happened?

We did want to sell Beckham, preferred destination was Barca not Madrid. But Beckham's choice was Real so we had to go with what the player wanted.

We did want to sell Ruud, we even were trying to get Berbatov at the same time which relied on us using the money we got for Ruud and using it on purchasing Berbatov. However the negotiations for Ruud's fee took too long and Berbatov moved to Spurs.

Casing point is that FERGUSON wanted to sell both players. Doesn't matter if the supporters wanted the player to leave or not.

Rudie · 21st June 2008, 15:30

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Originally Posted by Nem 7

We wanted Beckham to go to Barca, Real came calling and what happened?

We didn't want to sell Ruud, Real came calling and what happened?

We wanted Shearer, Blackburn wanted to sell him to us, Newcastle came calling, and what happened? What's your point?

Kevin · 21st June 2008, 15:32

Just an example of how big Madrid are: pundits, coaches, ex-managers and other mongs in Holland regularly speak of those great legendary white shirts and how Real Madrid is just on another level. Just last month they brought this Ronaldo issue op on studio sport here, and they were all saying he should go to Madrid (and this was just after we won a fecking European Cup... couldn't sway the opinion at all) as it's just on another level they claimed

It's not something I just concluded from that particular moment though, I've noticed it over the course of a long time watching this crap.

When Sneijder and Drenthe moved to Real, lots of ex-legends/players/managers etc here were shocked: back in those days you had to be a true superplayer already to move to Real. Madrid. You couldn't imagine these two joining them... that was the consensus.

I don't know what it is, but I hardly see anyone here speaking about United in those terms... I'm not claiming Holland = Europe though

, but I have a feeling that particular club is indeed viewed as the biggest in the world.

Nem 7 · 21st June 2008, 15:34

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Originally Posted by Rudie

We wanted Shearer, Blackburn wanted to sell him to us, Newcastle came calling, and what happened? What's your point?

He supported Newcastle, that might have had something to do with it.

Anyway ladies, I'm off to the gym now so I'll be back out to play later.

Spoonatov · 21st June 2008, 15:36

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Originally Posted by Kevin

I don't know what it is, but I hardly see anyone here speaking about United in those terms... I'm not claiming Holland = Europe though

, but I have a feeling that particular club is indeed viewed as the biggest in the world.

It's a recent thing, though. I doubt people would've batted an eyelid before the galactico policy. I think they're the only club that buys players for non footballing reasons.

Spoonatov · 21st June 2008, 15:37

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Originally Posted by Nem 7

He supported Newcastle, that might have had something to do with it.

We wanted Ramsey a boyhood United fan. What happened??

Spastic.

Rudie · 21st June 2008, 15:38

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Originally Posted by Nem 7

He supported Newcastle, that might have had something to do with it.

And recently with Ramsey?

21st June 2008, 14:55	#42 (permalink)
RapidRed Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,078	Fuck sake. This is going to get very very tiresome now. Stories will be cropping up left, right and center about the following 1. Supposed bust ups between Ronaldo and anyone related to United over this deal 2. Ronaldo always being a bit time Charlie, even during the last 2 years. 3. His relationship with Madrid as opposed to United. 4. How he did this that and the other because of which United fans should hate him. These stories will be written by journos who will suddenly seem to have become lifelong United fans caring about the traditions and values of the club. All such stories will receive great acclaim all over the internet. Time to go back into business, Spoons?

21st June 2008, 15:04	#45 (permalink)
Nem 7 Look, I'm a cunt, can type in colour so I must be important. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Outside Right Posts: 4,735	We have a great history but footballs first language is trophies. Great players are measured by the trophies they won, how many of us downplay Shearer's career because of the medals he's won (or not won?) Therefore clubs should be judged by the same standards. This is why Real Madrid are seen as number one, this is why Liverpool constantly shove "18-5" down our throats. We're top five in the world (3-5) sorry if this alarms you.

21st June 2008, 15:10	#49 (permalink)
ZIDANE Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: "..undoubtedly the best midfielder of his generation." Zizou on Scholes Posts: 4,452	He probably wrote the article in the first post.

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Spoonatov El Presidente - Voted best poster 2007 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Number 17. (Laura's got a cellulite arse). RIP Jermaine Stewart. Posts: 26,320	Heard it all now. Chelsea have great support.

21st June 2008, 15:17	#54 (permalink)
Nem 7 Look, I'm a cunt, can type in colour so I must be important. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Outside Right Posts: 4,735	Substitute Chelsea fans for Roma, Arsenal, Everton, Villa if you please. The point still stands. We as fans suffer from delusions of grandeur, we're not the biggest club in the world AC or Real hold that title (depending on who you talk to), and will do for a while to come. Which is why big fish (real) can come in and take smaller fishes (us) biggest names when they please. Becks '03 Ruud '06 Being known as the biggest club in the world doesn't enhance nor dour my enjoyment of this football club I love and support, it shouldn't for you either.

21st June 2008, 15:23	#56 (permalink)
Spoonatov El Presidente - Voted best poster 2007 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Number 17. (Laura's got a cellulite arse). RIP Jermaine Stewart. Posts: 26,320	Shearer's not as great as David may, because the former has only one championship medal. Villa are a bigger club than Arse because they've won a EC. . . Cracking stuff, mate. Well done.

21st June 2008, 15:32	#63 (permalink)
Kevin Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,538	Just an example of how big Madrid are: pundits, coaches, ex-managers and other mongs in Holland regularly speak of those great legendary white shirts and how Real Madrid is just on another level. Just last month they brought this Ronaldo issue op on studio sport here, and they were all saying he should go to Madrid (and this was just after we won a fecking European Cup... couldn't sway the opinion at all) as it's just on another level they claimed It's not something I just concluded from that particular moment though, I've noticed it over the course of a long time watching this crap. When Sneijder and Drenthe moved to Real, lots of ex-legends/players/managers etc here were shocked: back in those days you had to be a true superplayer already to move to Real. Madrid. You couldn't imagine these two joining them... that was the consensus. I don't know what it is, but I hardly see anyone here speaking about United in those terms... I'm not claiming Holland = Europe though , but I have a feeling that particular club is indeed viewed as the biggest in the world.