The type of striker we need

BaldwinLegend

Wow! I'm speechless...

Red For Ever

It would be funny
Except its likely to be true

Ceks

Really?

Ekeke

You realise, my reply was to a guy already comparing players to the 4 strikers we had in '99?

Christ.

Yes.

Drifts out of games, doesn't get too involved in linking play, but give him a chance and he'll probably put it into the back of the net.

BaldwinLegend

And you're judging that on what, a couple of games in the African Nations Cup and a few games in the Greek league?

Ekeke

Yes. What more can you judge that on? I did say "from what I've seen." - Can you please try and find a fault with that?

BaldwinLegend

So which is it lads? You've got me a bit confused here...

Is Manucho the new Solskjaer, or the new Sheringham?

Godfather

Because I couldn't believe that you really mean the shit you are writing.

That has really much to do with me beeing Austrian. I know all about the Liverpool- Manchester difficulties and I also know it's source, as well as I have got to know some clueless Liverpool supporters at RAWK and even on here.

As i have already mentioned in the other thread, that wasn't meanst seriously. I just thought you guys were joking around when you said he would perfectly fit into our squad.
Ehhmm.... Tevez is also perfect at holding up the ball. Rooney as well. Anderson too.... So do they also not fit into our "style of play"?. You always need such players.
Problem is I wouldnt care if that was the only thing Owen is bad. He is too shite for Man Utd overall.

Well you haven't watched too much of it if you truly think he is overrated.

Well that's a fair point. But why not mention that he would be the perfect striker for us, as the title of the thread actually is?
It's certainly not Owen.

Sam#1

No they wouldn't.

Yes, they are good squad players with the right attitude who give everything for the cause. But really, when it comes to the crunch, they are professional footballers who want to be playing every match, especially the big games. If they feel they aren't getting enough game time, and another club comes in and offers it too them, then what's to stop them leaving?

Razwan000

experience at all levels = etoo and yes he is a possibility

Ekeke

Their will to succeed. Players with talent and the right attitude invariably do that. It will only make them better players.

Wayne Rooney came through at what, 16? Most probably thought that was too young. He rose about that challenge in style against Arsenal. He was how old when he first played for England? There were doubters at that time too. He proved them wrong.

He signed for us, for a huge amount of money. After his performances for England most thought he'd be worth it, but there were still those who doubted him and he still had a lot to prove. He rose above that challenge.

Carlos Tevez came through to the Boca first team at 18 years old and made his name. He then went to Brazil and after a slower start, he proved himself to be a fantastic player. He then went to West Ham and after 6 months when things didnt really click, again he ended up proving himself as a hero and helping them survive in the premiership with his goals. He's now at Manchester United - his next challenge and he's done well.

But suddenly, if we sign another good striker, they'll both start to fail and hand in a transfer request?

You're confused because your brain cell is working overtime. Go have a lie down.

djemba's arse

A fit and in form Louis Saha is the perfect partner for Rooney. Quick, strong, good in the air and a decent finisher (when on form!).

Since that is looking unrealistic, I would say Adebayor or Torres. The last thing we need is a slow target man. Pace, strength and guile is what suits us best. Tevez would be perfect if he wasn't so bloody slow!

Sam#1

I think you've totally missed the point.

It's got nothing to do with what they've done in the past, how they've over come the odds etc etc. The point is, they are both now two of the best strikers in the world. They will expect to play week in week out, and also, they, along with Ronaldo, are developing a formidable partnership.

If we then go and buy a £25 million + 'big' name striker, not only with this threesome not have as much game time to develop and blossom, each player will play less, and potentially, not play the big games they want to. Now, other clubs may be able to offer them an automatic place in the team, and this would appeal, if they felt they weren't getting enough here.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think we should sign a striker, but not a 'big' name like the muppets want us to sign.

Godfather

Not important. Important is: Owen = Not Manchester United Quality, and also not what we need.

Bilbo

Owen has enough quality to play in any side in the world. He'll end up Englands best ever goalscorer before he reaches 30. If Real Madrid had any sense, he would still be there and in the side. his scoring record was extremely impressive over there.

People talk about the true class players outside the top 4. Berbatov is always mentioned, but Michael Owen rarely is. If there is a true proven world-class player in that bracket, then Owen is that player.

If United don't sign him this summer, some other big club will shortly, and opinions will change very quickly.

Bape

All that only applies to Tevez, Rooney's place in the starting XI will not be under any threat whatsoever if we bring a 'big name striker', nevermind Ronaldo. Tevez will most likely be the only one 'playing less', he will probably be rotated with the 'big name striker'. Rooney may be rotated occasionally but only to rest him, same applies to Ronaldo. There is no chance in hell that either Rooney or Ronaldo will be left out of the big games, absolutely no chance. Can't say the same about Tevez judging by this season.

Bilbo

Agree entirely. Too many people underestimate (or don't consider at all) the importance of atmosphere within a squad. The last place we want to get to as a club is a galactico-type situation.

Sam#1

Rooney is not untouchable.

This is not England.

Bilbo

Tevez has had a fine season. We are not in the position we are because we have been carrying anyone. He is as much responsible for our success as any other player.

Bape

Fergie will see him as our first choice striker regardless who we bring in, that's not even debatable.

Godfather

You see if Man Utd had no Rooney or Tevez, I would agree with you. But that thread is about "What type of striker we need", and in my opinion he is not.

I see your point, and your a debating on another level than that Baldwin.
I think I was harsh with saying he wasnt united quality.

I'll put it this way: I really don't think he is what we need.
For reasons look above.

Sam#1

Let's just say that we sign a big name striker, and he and Tevez hit it off, and form a formidable partnership, because of this, Fergie is forced to play both, and Rooney has to be benched, then my earlier scenario does apply to Rooney.

The point is, we don't need a big name striker to come in and break up a winning combination, as well as potentially causing problems. We need a player to come in, offer us a different option, be happy to wait his turn, but also good enough to start the big matches. Then, when he does play, he will hopefully give Fergie something to think about when picking his next team. The last thing we need is a big ego coming in and expecting to play every game.

Bilbo

A lot of people seem to think we should bring in a tall, aerially dominant striker, because we don't already have that. But there is a reason that we don't have that type of player. Most of these skills are redundant in our side because they wouldn't get the service they need. We rarely play high balls into the box, we rarely supply a cross that isn't on the ground, and any long balls that we play tend to be played into channels rather than directly at a player.

IMO, what we are missing is someone who is a natural line-leader. The Giggs goals against Wigan came because he found himself in a space that we don't often use. It was poor marking from Wigan sure, but so often I see defenders being pulled about by our front players, leaving huge spaces behind, but we don't have a player that will naturally find himself in those areas. Owen is a player that would. He is excellent at doing that.

Don't get me wrong. Many other players are also excellent at doing that, but not with his pedigree, price & nationality. He'd score a fucking ton of goals playing for United.

Longlivekeano

I think we should go for an old, experinced cool head who's done it before, would be willing to sit on the bench for a while and score when come on.

Maybe, Fergie should have a look at...

1) Benny McCarthy (seems out of favour at Blackburn where Sparky has favored to start with Santa Cruz & Jason Roberts)

2) Eidur Gudjohnsen (classy finisher who would surely be part of the imminent Barca exodus)

3)David Trezeguet (a Fergie target for many years & we all know that Fergie keeps pressing for his targets even when they are past their peak like Laurent Blanc, Henrik Larsson

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

The thing is Bilbo, Owen can't lead a line at club like United. He doesn't have the strength or the hold up ability. Meaning we would have to play him behind Rooney. In a role he is not better than Tevez in. Because isn't that creative a player either to be our type of link man. Thus, since Owen isn't bench material, why should we sign him?