The type of striker we need

BaldwinLegend · 15th May 2008, 12:02

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Originally Posted by RedThaiDevils#7

I knew you were joking but on serious thought 15m Rafa is being a cunt.

Nonsense. He has to get the best price for his club. I'd say 15m is the market price for Crouch - still quite young, England international, good scoring record etc etc etc He's not being a cunt - if Darren Bent is worth 16m, he's priced Crouch correctly.

devilish · 15th May 2008, 12:15

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Originally Posted by ALX8725

Eto'o, although injury prone this season, has been sensational as always. He has 15 goals in 17 appearances. I would NOT call that "much worse then Rooney".

Have you even seen Bojan play this season? His understanding of the game and the way he reads the game is with the maturity of a veteran. Not to mention he just has a natural ability to put the ball in the back of the net. Bojan is so much better than Rossi already.

Tevez has actually been much better than Henry in terms of impact. Not only that but Tevez has come through countless times this season with clutch goals.... cannot say the same for Henry.

Adebayor and Van Persie, if they were to be sold, are world class 20m rated players. They are amazing talents, just because they were discovered and bought for next to nothing, does not mean they don't qualify as world class 20m players if Wenger decided to sell them.

My point is not to compare and contrast but simply to highlight the fact that too many world class players in the same position would damage a side. Look at Barca. They ended up 18 points behind Real and that despite having a team made up of world class players whom many of us in here would sell their own mother for. They had now learnt their lesson and will sell their stars in favor of other talent who will give them unity, balance and teamwork, something we have and they dont.

You dont need 21 world class players to win. If thats the case then Chelsea would be winning trebles every year because no one can afford to bring the amount of world class players as they do. Our secret to success was always that of building a balanced side with the right mentality and attitude. Thats something SAF had believed in and sticked to even when it meant kicking the arse to some of the best talent ever. Now if we wont be careful we would ruin that all. You cant have three twenty million rated strikers in the team because that would mean that one of them would end up on the bench sulking. What you need is a good player brought on cheap who would give his all to the side and make sacrifices. A player like Ole and Teddy.

Wenger had shown that you dont need to spend 20m to get a good forward. Why arent we able to do the same as he does? Are we too cocky for that?

RedThaiDevils#7 · 15th May 2008, 12:16

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Originally Posted by BaldwinLegend

Nonsense. He has to get the best price for his club. I'd say 15m is the market price for Crouch - still quite young, England international, good scoring record etc etc etc He's not being a cunt - if Darren Bent is worth 16m, he's priced Crouch correctly.

He hasn't played consistantly enough this season to be priced 15m. Jol was stupid to buy and bench a 16m striker and Bent has nothing to do Crouch. Anyone who thinks 15m for Crouch is reasonable is on weed.

devilish · 15th May 2008, 12:19

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Originally Posted by FranklyVulgar

Well Suazo looked great and did a wonderful job for Cagliari but he hasn't made the step up to Inter Milans level and so that means he wouldnt be at a level i would expect United to want.

Ibrahimovic on the other hand

I guess even Cristiano Ronaldo would look shit if you bench him from day 1 and dont give him any realistic chance to shine.

And Ibra is the most arrogant and inconsistent strikers on earth, capable of going missing for months. I wouldnt want him near OT even as a spectator.

ALX8725 · 15th May 2008, 12:19

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Originally Posted by devilish

My point is not to compare and contrast but simply to highlight the fact that too many world class players in the same position would damage a side. Look at Barca. They ended up 18 points behind Real and that despite having a team made up of world class players whom many of us in here would sell their own mother for. They had now learnt their lesson and will sell their stars in favor of other talent who will give them unity, balance and teamwork, something we have and they dont.

You dont need 21 world class players to win. If thats the case then Chelsea would be winning trebles every year because no one can afford to bring the amount of world class players as they do. Our secret to success was always that of building a balanced side with the right mentality and attitude. Thats something SAF had believed in and sticked to even when it meant kicking the arse to some of the best talent ever. Now if we wont be careful we would ruin that all. You cant have three twenty million rated strikers in the team because that would mean that one of them would end up on the bench sulking. What you need is a good player brought on cheap who would give his all to the side and make sacrifices. A player like Ole and Teddy.

, why couldnt you just say that earlier, it would have made much more sense

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Originally Posted by devilish

While arent we able to do the same as he does?

Wenger has special powers

devilish · 15th May 2008, 12:29

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Originally Posted by ALX8725

, why couldnt you just say that earlier, it would have made much more sense

Wenger has special powers

Ah I guess that I wanted to complicate things up....

Wenger has good scouts nothing more nothing less.

Godfather · 15th May 2008, 12:57

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Originally Posted by BaldwinLegend

Says the Godfather... Apparently he thinks a former Real Madrid striker and FIFA European Player of the Year isn't United quality...

I won't say it again. He is not what we need. He just isn't.

We have Rooney and Tevez playing similiar way of football to his.
I've already mentioned too many times what type of striker, in my opinion, we need, won't do it again.

Godfather · 15th May 2008, 12:59

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Originally Posted by BaldwinLegend

I don't think it's about displacing Rooney or Tevez - it's about complementing them.

United is the only club of it's size with just two front line strikers. Look at the options Barcelona have, or Milan, or Arsenal when all their strikers are fit.

I think Wellbeck or Manucho are ready to be our 4th choice striker, but there's definitely space at the club for a quality signing to offer more options up front, and all Fergie to rest Rooney or Tevez.

Fist post form you that really makes sense.

I completely agree with this.

Godfather · 15th May 2008, 13:04

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Originally Posted by Escobar

If we had 3 class strikers, Tevez could play also play on the left wing if needed, with Ronaldo, Nani or Park on the other side and Rooney and a striker upfront.

My choice would be either Benzema or Gomez.

Agreed.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 15th May 2008, 20:46

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Since when has playing a lead striker role been restricted to big, powerful footballers?

Puhlease.

Where did I say that?

Is Rooney "big and powerful? He leads our line. Yet Tevez a player of a similar mould faired no way near as good in the same role. Yet you want some one much weaker than Tevez and Rooney and without the ball skills of both to lead our line?

You can't be serious.....

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

In this United side, with our style of football, a lead the line striker has totally different responsiblities than Drogba has for Chelsea. I thought this was obvious.

If it was obvious Owen wouldn't be someone you want to lead our line. That should be pretty clear by now. To lead our line you have to do it like Ruud, Saha or Rooney. Players who have never played like Drogba in their lives and Owen isn't even close to any of them as a lead front man.

sincher · 15th May 2008, 20:48

Benzema is clearly brilliant, but I doubt we could get him - at least not yet.

Don't know enough about Gomez, though his scoring record is good, and he seems like the right type.

The Owen 'story' is obvious bollocks.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 15th May 2008, 20:49

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Owen is desperate to get back to a big club. He is in no position to demand a huge salary.

I like the 'could be deadly like Ole' line though. Isn't that exactly what we are looking for?

So you really think Michael Owen, of all people, can handle being merely an "ole" in a squad like ours?

sincher · 15th May 2008, 20:49

He could be, in the being injured for more than 2 years sense.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 15th May 2008, 20:50

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Originally Posted by sincher

Benzema is clearly brilliant, but I doubt we could get him - at least not yet.

Don't know enough about Gomez, though his scoring record is good, and he seems like the right type.

The Owen 'story' is obvious bollocks.

Gomez would be perfect for us. He is the same type of player Ruud was in 92. But with better ball skills. It's a mystery why we seem to have hardly looked at him.

sincher · 15th May 2008, 20:52

Too slow? Doubts about whether he can step up? Failure to ever bother to watch Bundesliga matches for some reason?

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 15th May 2008, 21:10

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Originally Posted by sincher

Too slow? Doubts about whether he can step up? Failure to ever bother to watch Bundesliga matches for some reason?

Where did you get the idea that he is slow from?

sincher · 15th May 2008, 21:11

I have no idea - I'm just spaculating.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 15th May 2008, 21:13

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Originally Posted by sincher

He could be, in the being injured for more than 2 years sense.

ouch..that's cold

Kiwi Red · 15th May 2008, 21:25

Something interesting about Berbatov, by the way.

I know he is inconsistent and has a bad attitude at times, but I think it's fair to compare him to Ronaldinho, during his time at PSG.

Ronaldinho was very inconsistent and had a poor attitude at PSG, because he desired a bigger stage to play on. Low and behold, he goes to Barca (although should have come here!!) and becomes the best player in the world.

Something similar could happen with Berbatov. He may be sick of playing UEFA Cup football, and Spurs being the small club they are

and may desire a much bigger stage on which to perform - ie. a big four club playing in the Champion's League.

Just some thoughts...

sincher · 15th May 2008, 21:29

So he could be great for us for two years, and THEN sulk? Great.

Ceks · 15th May 2008, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Kiwi Red

Something interesting about Berbatov, by the way.

I know he is inconsistent and has a bad attitude at times, but I think it's fair to compare him to Ronaldinho, during his time at PSG.

Ronaldinho was very inconsistent and had a poor attitude at PSG, because he desired a bigger stage to play on. Low and behold, he goes to Barca (although should have come here!!) and becomes the best player in the world.

Something similar could happen with Berbatov. He may be sick of playing UEFA Cup football, and Spurs being the small club they are

and may desire a much bigger stage on which to perform - ie. a big four club playing in the Champion's League.

Just some thoughts...

The Ronaldinho comparison is a good one. I watched Ronaldinho at PSG, and like you said; he showed glimpses of brilliance at PSG, but wasn't consistent, and didn't seem part of the team. Although he scored a reasonable amount of goals in France, I was still suprised both Utd and Barcelona went for him when they did. I don't know how many assists he used to get?

I never thought going to Barcelona would of had such a positive effect on his game. He became 3 times the player he was. Im not saying that will happen to Berbatov, but I certainly believe he will compliment the other players perfectly. I doubt all this hoo haa about Berbatov upsetting team morale will ever come to fruition. Utd are a much bigger club. Berbatov would learn his place. I find it strange that some of you are against having Berbatov at your club; he's a proven quality.

It Would be a wise investment, and I think he would serve the club into retirement, like Bergkamp did at Arsenal.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 15th May 2008, 22:27

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Originally Posted by cekscrayons

The Ronaldinho comparison is a good one. I watched Ronaldinho at PSG, and like you said; he showed glimpses of brilliance at PSG, but wasn't consistent, and didn't seem part of the team. Although he scored a reasonable amount of goals in France, I was still suprised both Utd and Barcelona went for him when they did. I don't know how many assists he used to get?

I never thought going to Barcelona would of had such a positive effect on his game. He became 3 times the player he was. Im not saying that will happen to Berbatov, but I certainly believe he will compliment the other players perfectly. I doubt all this hoo haa about Berbatov upsetting team morale will ever come to fruition. Utd are a much bigger club. Berbatov would learn his place. I find it strange that some of you are against having Berbatov at your club; he's a proven quality.

It Would be a wise investment, and I think he would serve the club into retirement, like Bergkamp did at Arsenal.

Agreed. Agreed

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 15th May 2008, 22:28

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Originally Posted by sincher

So he could be great for us for two years, and THEN sulk? Great.

hee hee

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 15th May 2008, 22:28

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Originally Posted by sincher

I have no idea - I'm just spaculating.

bbest · 16th May 2008, 05:30

A tall and powerful striker. What do you think, Chief?

Pavel Pogrebnyak

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Pogrebnyak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDF01....php?t=1964178

Christofaux · 16th May 2008, 05:46

You need to find the new Drogbah. I hope you dont.

bbest · 16th May 2008, 05:49

No worries, Chief is one of our scouts.

16th May 2008, 05:30	#265 (permalink)
bbest The Caf's worst songwriter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: .................... Posts: 8,016	Pavel Pogrebnyak A tall and powerful striker. What do you think, Chief? Pavel Pogrebnyak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Pogrebnyak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDF01....php?t=1964178

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sincher Les jeux sont Fait Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: YSC Posts: 14,165	Benzema is clearly brilliant, but I doubt we could get him - at least not yet. Don't know enough about Gomez, though his scoring record is good, and he seems like the right type. The Owen 'story' is obvious bollocks.

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sincher Les jeux sont Fait Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: YSC Posts: 14,165	He could be, in the being injured for more than 2 years sense.

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sincher Les jeux sont Fait Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: YSC Posts: 14,165	Too slow? Doubts about whether he can step up? Failure to ever bother to watch Bundesliga matches for some reason?

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sincher Les jeux sont Fait Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: YSC Posts: 14,165	I have no idea - I'm just spaculating.

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Kiwi Red Youth Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 315	Something interesting about Berbatov, by the way. I know he is inconsistent and has a bad attitude at times, but I think it's fair to compare him to Ronaldinho, during his time at PSG. Ronaldinho was very inconsistent and had a poor attitude at PSG, because he desired a bigger stage to play on. Low and behold, he goes to Barca (although should have come here!!) and becomes the best player in the world. Something similar could happen with Berbatov. He may be sick of playing UEFA Cup football, and Spurs being the small club they are and may desire a much bigger stage on which to perform - ie. a big four club playing in the Champion's League. Just some thoughts...

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sincher Les jeux sont Fait Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: YSC Posts: 14,165	So he could be great for us for two years, and THEN sulk? Great.

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Christofaux Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,002	You need to find the new Drogbah. I hope you dont.

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bbest The Caf's worst songwriter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: .................... Posts: 8,016	No worries, Chief is one of our scouts.