United- Liverpool or Real BArca?

The_Midfielder

I would say Real -Barca is the bigger derby than ours...with Liverpool..
What do you'll think ?

CR#7

All depends bro if your a fan of the English premier league than its fucking united v scousers hand down if you like that Spanish rice shit the other side go for that garbage use your head mate.

MUFC07

The world in general would say Madrid-Barça, cause even people that don't like football very much watch that game. I say in terms of greatness both are great, but Barça-Madrid calls more the attention because people rate it as THE epic match. And this year is even bigger with all Kaká, Ronaldo, Zlatan, Messi, Xavi, Xabi, Iniesta, Benzema, Higuain, etc. involved.

I honestly prefer United vs pool, as many followers of the Premier League do, and especially for us United supporters.

Boca vs River is for me up there in the top derbys.

Scoreboard Red

its Utd v Liverpool.
For many years, even with Liverpools dominance, Barca v Real held greater sway as they always had the more glamorous stars but Utd have become the worlds most supported club hands down over a decade or so and therefore Utd v L'pl has a greater audience.
Also, the rivalry is so fierce that only only Owen & Ince have played for both clubs in the last dozen years with NO player moving directly between clubs since 1964.
This shows the disdain between the fans AND the club whereas players have frequently played for Barca/Real, Rangers/Celtic, Milan/Inter or Boca/River, some even signing directly from each other.
Tide has turned, we're a bigger game now...

Mad

Merman

I don't know which one is bigger, but El Clásico is the biggest event on the cafe. The build up is amazing, the matchday thread massive and the post-match wankfest cringe-worthy. You'd think United just won the champions league looking at the celebrations every time Barca win this.

Alex

Not as massive of a thread as: "Young Punjab Transvestite Kills Dog"

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Ramshock

Fergie imo doesnt take liverpool seriously anymore, or he would tactic better against them than he did the last three games. Apart from last year they havent been much of a threat. La Liga seems to be constantly between Real and Barca, that coupled with the historical hatred and political differences makes Real Barca a bigger derby!

Successful

But that also goes for populair players.

Of course it is a matter of where you're coming from! To me it will of course be the english game because that's what i've been watching all my life. Spanish football didn't even exist for us before 2004 i think. The Barca Real game is more like a tourist attraction while the United scousers game is still down to historical issues. Barca Real is not even the hottest thing around in spain anymore, looking at it from a pure hate perspective. There are far worse things as I see it. In england there are only a few that can come close such as Spurs Arse game and some Welsh stuff that I know less about. How about old firm if we include the scotts?

Flying Fox

With something like this you can't quantify greatness accurately. The fact that then next fan would have a (slightly) different opinion from the one before him makes it all the more harder.

I'd say Real v Barça, given the political aspect of the derby (i.e. Franco v Catalonia).

Alex

A lot of the reason why Real-Barca is bigger is that well these days Liverpool do fuck all as a club 99% of the time besides lucking the 2005 CL they havent won a big trophy in ages. If they were still a good side the margin would be much closer as it is they arent, and it's not

MrsGiggs

Not sure I agree with that. Yes, Liverpool aren't our title rivals and haven't been for a long time (apart from a little bit last year), and Fergie doesn't see them as our title rivals but he still takes them seriously! It still hurts like hell losing to Liverpool even if they're not in the title race, and Fergie has said on numerous occasions that Liverpool vs. United is the biggest game of the season in the league for him, as it is for most fans.

The fact we've lost the last few times against them hasn't been because Fergie hasn't been taking them seriously. We just haven't played well.

I'd probably have to agree with that. As big as Liverpool-United is with all the historical rivalry and the fact the Premier League is massive around the world, Liverpool haven't been truly a dominant force since the '80s, whereas both Real Madrid and Barcelona have been in the last few years. United haven't been able to call Liverpool their true title rivals in years (apart from a little bit last year), games against them usually don't determine much regarding the title race. It's a massive game still, but doesn't hold the same weight as Real-Barca at the moment.

amolbhatia100

it has to be the Classico.

Firstly it's a top of the table clash usually whereas united lverpool has in recent times been one between the champions and a team trying to mount a chalenge. Just imagine the united arsenal gAmes when the teams were neck and neck but with the addition of it being a derby game. That would be something. But therein lies the second hinderance. When united play arsenal both teams usually have a right go at one another and it's lovely to watch. It just isn't the case with united v Liverpool but is so with the Classico.

So the Classico wins on those two counts. That the teams are directly fighting it out for the title and usually don't cancel each other out for large
parts.

Scoreboard Red

United and Liverpool are seperated by 29 miles, Madrid and Barcelona are seperated by hundreds of miles.
Madrid and Barca isn't technically a derby, it's a clash of Spain's Two Superpowers, something which is exactly the same in England, us and them.
As I have said in an earlier post, those around the world were treated to Madrid v Barca usually being top billing in Spain with some amazing players down the years, such as Maradona, Butragueno, Schuster, Laudrup etc all playing in the Classico whilst United were second billing to Liverpool, and susequently Liverpool far behind us also, with only last season where we've both gone into the game first and second at that stage of the season for many, many years but this has never stopped the Utd v Liverpool match as anything less than extreme passion, and whilst the stadia of OT or Anfield might not have always been on par with the Bernabeau or Nou Camp (I believe OT is these days, Anfield not), more people watch this match than the Classico, yet still claim the SPanish equivalent a bigger event, why? Because traditionally, it has been but if the Utd - Liverpool match receives far bigger viewers, surely that means the English match means more interest, more desire and a bigger stake for the viewers, making this the bigger match?

amolbhatia100

Let me put it this way.

Barcelona and Real are the two best teams in Spain and have been for a long time. While there has been a big gulf between United and Liverpool for what it seems like ages, whether one way or the other. This the classico a game that decides the title to an extent.

And its a more entertaining game. United-Chelsea games are more often than not cagey and not too appealing on the eye. United-Arsenal is closer to the Classico in terms of style and entertainment.

Spoony Youngblood

United V Liverpool. If biggest means popularity/audience then it has to be our game with the Scousers. Both are the two best supported clubs in the world.

And these games aren't derbies. NW derby is pushing it.

Gio

In the last 100 years I think only six players have turned out for both sides of the Old Firm, and half of them are essentially on technicalities - e.g. brought through the Rangers youth system but don't make it and end up joining Celtic ten years later.

kouroux

editing my post as it was dumb.
I think Barca-Real edges it because everyone I know who don't follow football that much will watch that one whereas they don't even between the United/Liverpool rivalry.I think it's the most televised match in the world

Spoony Youngblood

Bollocks. Barca and Real aren't as well supported and the PL is the most popular league in the world. Unless you can provide my with some figures to refute my claim - which is correct, no doubt...I'll disregard your post and think it's been written by Rubber Spastic or Scholsey.

kouroux

I'm looking into it, it was shown on TV with stats and all otherwise I wouldn't mention it

Scoreboard Red

Yeah but Mo Johnstone & thingybob who played for Derby inbetween that season.
At least Ince and Owen had a few seasons with another club. I'm not disputing the Old Firm rivalry, its certainly intense but its noticeable those disputing Utd v Scousers isnt the bigger arent from Manchester or Merseyside and back in the fighting heyday, Utd v Scuzzies was the most violent contrary to all these Cockney Hollywood Blockbusters.
And the fact the clubs interaction is questionable, no player transfers between clubs since 1964 & Fergies public stance on not selling Heinze or Tevez to Liverpool which Madrid-born Benitez professed he couldnt understand.
Real & Barca fans might reckon they get peeved when their players move to their hated rivals, but its happened a lot, which suggests to me, admittedly biased Mancunian Red, that rivalry consists of players, fans and the clubs opinions of the other and therefore Utd v Liverpools game is the bigger.

Red Pavan

I have heard it many times on the tele on various channels saying that the El' Classico is the most watched football match in the season's calender.

Spoony Youngblood

I've heard it's the United-Liverpool game.

theimperialinn

Scoreboard Red

to be fair on Koroux, Spanish footy has been more interwined to Spain, especially as many French players have played in Spain.
Obviously in the last decade, Henry et al have made the Premiership more attractive but Henry at Barca & Benzema new at Real would make this a lot of interest in France considering their 2 biggest stars are playing in this game.

Scoreboard Red

you should see the pics of the Utd lads who got double Stanley striped on Scotland Rd in Liverpool, worse than a piece of jamon chucked at Feegs which was nowhere near him

kouroux

Tbh I don't it's got anything to do with french players.It was more or less the same before both Henry and Benzema went to play in Spain.
France's biggest star is Ribery and not these 2 cunts

Boss

For me it's going to be our rivalry with Liverpool because it's closer to home and United is my love but I can't deny I'm more than excited for the game tommorow, I've been thinking about this years el classico for so long. Zlatan,Messi and Ronaldo fit enough, just in time aswell. The whole world is going to have it's eyes fixed on this game which feaures the best players in the world. This might be one of the biggest yet.

I just hope it lives up to he hype, in the past few seasons it's been amazing except 07/08 at the Camp Nou, that was just tragic. It was when Ronaldinho was exposed as a player who isn't up for it anymore. Tragic stuff

vijay

For me nothing beats United-Liverpool.. Our fans are less fanatical and more civilized, for Spanish tosspots its more about a clash between Madridtsas and Catalans. Dont think anyone outside their country would've bothered watching them or the rivalary getting beefed up if not for DiStefano, Cruyff, Maradona, Laudrup, Zidane, Ronaldo, Figo and others Both clubs make it a point to shell out heavily on the best players around whilst our rivalary would grab the same level of attention amongst neutrals even if its played between reserve teams.

IMO, our rivalary is slowly losing its charm, in the recent years compared to the 90's with Liverpool going on a downward spiral and more cagey matches even if both sides field full strength teams.

Celtic-Rangers, Juve-Inter, Boca-River, Galatasary-Fenerbache are all in the top billing.

kouroux

hehe how about the times Ronaldinho made Madrid his bitch

Flying Fox

You bellend. So it's just the players that generate the interest for the Clasico?

jojojo

Any game involving United is always the bigger game for me including Portsmouth.

But to see the fuss over El Classico, you need to remember the background - two huge and hugely successful clubs - between them they've won 4 of the last ten CLs. If United and Liverpool had been winners/runners-up in the League for the past 5 years, or even if Liverpool had won the League in the past decade then it'd be more comparable in terms of footballing power.

There's no local element to El Classico instead it's the Spanish team Vs the Catalan. Capital Vs provinces. It's a bigger game for Spanish TV and papers than Liverpool/United usually is for the English ones. Globally, I don't know - I've heard the "most watched" tag as well but I haven't seen any figures to back it up.

Red_Jamie

United - Liverpool doesn't get the branding it deserves over here. In that it isn't seen by all as 'THE biggest game in England' and isn't advertised as such (although most football fans know that it is the biggest game.)

With Real-Barca there's no doubt that it's the biggest game in Spain and so much more hype surrounds the game in terms of press, the build up and foreign interest.

That's where the major differences are for me. Although i still think United - Liverpool is the bigger game.

Boss

That's what made it more tragic, I couldn't believe what I was seeing, it was sad man, so sad

Merman

I remember reading somewhere that the 2-2 draw between United and Arsenal two seasons ago was the most watched premier league game ever. Arsenal have a much bigger following than liverpool here.

kouroux

I feel your pain too, shame to lose such a great player for some stupid reasons.Not like he had big injuries or tragic life events

vijay

Spanish league telecast was poor in the 80's and prior to that. With their national team winning sod all and both Barcelona-Real Madrid running through a European slump why should any one bother turning on the telivision just to watch them.

If not for the telivision coverage and big name players dont think their rivalary would've been hyped around the globe. Celtic-Rangers, Boca-River, Fenerbache-Galatasary, RedStar-Partizan are more intense and violent than Real-Barca and as much political but still it dosent the grab the media attention as much as the Spanish teams does. I cannot see that happening if not for some big name foriegn players.

Boss

Nope, no injuries or anything, he just seemed to return from the world cup in the worst psycisal shape of his life and his pace almost non existent. He was scoring goals that season but his open play only showed glimpses of his real talent. Apparently he missed 80% of training sessions that season, that's just incredible. It got even worse in the 07/08 season.

After that Classico I felt like shit, finally coming to terms with the reality that on my favoruite players was finished and the saddest part was he just let it happen to himself. I don't hink he hardly played for Barca again after that match, it cemented the end of him.

rednev

Madrid vs Barca has more glamour to it, but seeing as though the Premier League is by far the most watched league in the world, United vs Liverpool probably edges it. If Liverpool got their act together and actually won the title once in a while it would be even bigger.