United risk of losing Ezekiel Fryers

Sean_RedDevil

I think he's a great prospect, not everyone is a Morrison.

If Zeki is "a O'Shea" or "a Brown" then i would be very happy.

Sylar

Plus its about squads not about teams. If hes happy to get games, play at a consistent level when given minutes and willing to improve, theres nothing wrong with that.

You fill out squads for the longterm more with those who came through the youth and are at a decent level imo.

OldRed1

Neither are a lot of others on here after some of the things I've read.

lysglimt

It is possible that Zeki does some stuff in training that shows his true potential - it is just that I can never recall one game where I have seen him and thought "he can really make it" and I have seen my share of reserve and academy-games.

Ace

Several hundred appearances and how many trophies between them?

He would be a great success if mentioned with those two. I hope he signs with us. He looks promising and we aren't in the position to be offloading depth players considering our injuries.

Anderson8

His tweet, while somewhat assuring is similar to those put out by Ravel to be fair. Yes, he says he hasn't refused a contract, but just like Ravel he doesn't state that he'd be ready to sign one or that he wants to stay at Manchester United. A few grey areas for me still.

Chabon

There are no fucking grey areas, christ. It's the same as Danny Welbeck the other week and Rooney a few weeks back. The tabloids are just making shit up, and even after our players deny it some people still doubting them? Shameful stuff. The scum in the press have clearly got a new stick to beat us with, and anyone who believes lads like Danny and Zeki are really fucking the club about because it was in the tabloids needs to take a good hard look at themselves.

Cold_Boy

I agree with you.

But ffs!!!

kleberson_

Isn't it the papers that reported that he had refused to sign a contract aswell? The Morrison situation the accusations came from SAF...bit different I would say.

Widnes

Manchester United starlet Ezekiel Fryers has taken to Twitter to deny that he has rejected a new contract.

The 19-year-old defender is the latest United prospect linked with a move away from the club.

Fryers was reported to have snubbed a contract offer from United, with his current deal set to expire.

But he has now used his Twitter account to deny he has rejected an offer from United.

"Why is everyone believing what they read...I haven't rejected the contract!" he Tweeted.

Fryers is in a similar situation to that of Paul Pogba and Ravel Morrison.

Indeed Morrison has now left the club, but Pogba like Fryers is out of contract and has yet to agree terms.

Fryers denies contract rejection | Football News | Sky Sports

edit: just realised this was a old story so probably already been discussed

Anderson8

Right now we have no reason to be filled with confidence about our youth players and contracts. Ravel maybe not so much to do with contract, but it certainly played a part as you can see with his agent and the deal he has agreed with West Ham. We're obviously having issues with Pogba, and if I'm not mistaken Fryers has the same agent as Ravel? My main point is that Zeki's tweet was the same kind of inconclusive stuff as Ravel, he hardly states that he wants to sign a new one and stay with United does he? I'm convinced there's some issues there, probably minor and probably going to be overcome, but to believe everything is rosy after reading that tweet is naive in my opinion.

holdsteady

I think we have to look to this new cost cutting strategy of letting contracts run down to the final 6 months of the deal.

It's fucking retarded and allows the player's agent far more leverage than necessary.

Skholesy

Its a tough situation, isn't it. Players like Zeki would be friends with Morrison who could boast about his £65K or whatever, why should Zeki take much less?

Players have short football careers, some shorter than others so why shouldn't one maximise their pay when they can?

You may say "he's throwing it away" etc, but, if he's good enough why wouldn't he think that he'd be able to do better at West Ham on more pay, then get a move to a midtable Prem team, and could even be an England international?

Why would he think he has to stay at united to do all that especially on low wages? Trophies? Well if playing football is your livelihood i'm sure trophies don't really come into it until much later when you've got enough money that your only goal is to gain honours. Right now money may be a worry, and who'd blame him if he wanted more, especially if peers are getting much more?

Players who are good will naturally be confident in their ability, that's the danger isn't it, being confident of ability means that you'd be happy to take the money now at a smaller club but know that you'll still end up at a higher level eventually anyway.

Football is a job to these players, unfortunately, and who can hold it against them....

ArmchairCritic

Ravel isn't on 65k yet though and Zeki hasn't rejected or demanded anything as far as we know, it's a nothing story.

Sultan

Negotiating a contract with 'potential' is slightly more trickier/riskier than established stars. It's simply very difficult to assess how these kids will turn out a few years down the line. This is reason why clubs offer contracts near the end of contracts, when they have better idea how a particular player has progressed. The contracts are also short as possible - generally 2 years in length.

Imagine giving kids of 16, to 18 years 5 year contracts? Almost all of these kids never make the grade. The costs would be astronomical, and most academies would simply have to close.

Sultan

You can also turn your argument around and say many players digress playing with lesser quality players. Take for example players like Smalling, Welbeck Jones, and Cleverley. They look different prospects playing in a team with other class players, than at their previous clubs, or when loaned out.

apotheosis

It could damage his career that's why. FFS if his only motivation is money, then he is already on a rocky road imo. He is 19 and at Utd, behind a 30yr old, surely he can see his chance is going to come sooner rather than later?

He would be throwing it away then. just listen to your own argument! Possibly moving to a mid table PL club in the future, is hardly reaching the pinnacle of the game. If he stays at Utds for a couple more years, i have no doubt he will be an England international, and will probably be challenging on all fronts for the top trophies. Just as Welbeck has done.

When you are at a club like Utd, you don't have to worry about money. If he is good enough then he will be a millionaire before he is 23 and i cannot really see him having money worries at this point. Do you really believe that? On a grand a week at 19? Come on mate i know where you are coming from but he is hardly playing in the lower leagues to consider that type of thinking. He is at Utd ffs!

Of course it's a job, but if he were a player who belongs in the lower divisions, then he would not be at Utd now. Even if he doesn't make it at Utd, he will still go on to earn more in the next decade than most of us will ever dream of earning, so i don't buy this argument.

He should be learning his trade at Ot and looking back at all the other talented youngsters who have come through the ranks, won shitloads of trophies and earned millions upon millions. That is what he should aspire to.

I put it down to poor advice from agents if he is indeed asking too much. Players should just sign contracts at his age and wait until he has actually done something before making demands. Welbeck has served his time, proven his worth and is now getting his chance. With that the riches will inevitably follow.

Surely Fryers would be better served following Welbeck's example, than giving up a priceless education from Utd in how to be a 'fucking winner', than simply giving in to greed?

Sean_RedDevil

I hope he signs the contract.

Relevated

why would he leave for tottenham?

Sunny Jim

do they never learn?

Snow

I think it's time to investigate if our reserves coaches are abusing our players. There's a pattern of players that aren't signing contracts. They're afraid to talk.

Sunny Jim

are our coached catholic priests by any chance?

Snow

None of them are Irish or from Northern-Ireland so I can't say for sure.

samabachan

I think he's more likely the next Simpson/Higginbotham or even the next O'kane/Casper/Tate rather than the next Brown/O'Shea.

gormless

He is nowhere near as talented as Brown. Wes Brown was extremely talented, but had bad luck with injuries. Fryers has looked mildly promising at best, he hasn't shown anywhere near the potential to be as good as Borwn

Cold_Boy

This.

nm03

That's what he said. He said that he wouldn't be as good as Brown or O'shea. You were agreeing with him.

Solius

I see nothing in him. Don't rate him.

Snow

From what I've seen of him I thought Simpson was more promising.

Red Pavan

Simpson has been doing well for Newcastle, think he could have been in our starting XI this season if he was still at the club.

Saq

like

Sultan

United will only pay him what they think he is worth at this moment. If he, his agent, or another club want's to better the terms, then good luck.

032Devil

Money has a blinding effect.

LLMU

Agents have a blinding effect

lysglimt

Oh come on - everyone thinks it's about money when a youngster leaves a club. Fryers knows he has a very small chance of making it - I mean we have Rafael, Smalling, Jones, Evans, Ferdinand, Evra and Vidic - in addition to constantly being linked to a right-back.

Fryers will not be a United-regular in the next 24 months unless he improves dramatically - in quite a few other teams he will have a decent chance.

I mean - the chance of making it as a youngster in United is SMALL - Evans is the first defender (not counting the da Silvas) who broke into the United-squad as a defender from our ranks since O'Shea almost 10 years ago. And in those 10 years - Fryers is NOT even close to being the most talented I have seen.

Blaming everything on money is too easy - I doubt he is promised so much more in other clubs

greater wall

I think he is left footed so only Evra would be competing against him, even Fabio is right footed playing as a left back.

032Devil

So, your saying he's got no motivation, self-belief that he can overcome obstacles and become a regular at United?

Did he not have self-belief when he joined United that he could be as good as the others and be better?

Same was said of Gary Neville but he had conviction, drive and motivation to become not only a regular at rightback at United but a captain and a regular for England for a generation.

Transfer United Till I Die

I'm baffled as to why anyone cares. He's not half as good as some people think he is.