United's performance as seen by a Chelsea fan

MrMarcello · 8th November 2009, 20:03

FFS, if Evans is worthy of a card (or sending off) on Drogba, Ivanovic was certainly worthy of a card (or sending off) on Giggs.

Mockney · 8th November 2009, 20:05

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Originally Posted by MrMarcello

FFS, if Evans is worthy of a card to Drogba's chest (or sending off), Ivanovic was certainly worthy of a card (or sending off) on Giggs.

Bizarre leap of logic there....Ivanovic's foul wasn't anywhere near as bad as Evans'....the fact that he actually got a bit of the ball shows what his intentions were....I'm not saying Evans 'meant' to kick Drogba in the chest, but the ball wasn't there was it?

I don't think I've ever seen the forum as blinekred and bitter as I have today....

vuc · 8th November 2009, 20:07

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Originally Posted by MrMarcello

FFS, if Evans is worthy of a card (or sending off) on Drogba, Ivanovic was certainly worthy of a card (or sending off) on Giggs.

Ivanovic DID get a card though.

Pogue Mahone · 8th November 2009, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Mockney

I think he's rather fair regarding their goal and the second half (apart from Anderson)....Can't understand why he thought Anderson was 5 obviously as he was immense throughout and destroyed their midfield...I also thought Rooney was poor first half.

Other than that, he's not that bad. Some of you really need to have a cup of tea and calm down a bit

An incredibly harsh result, as a result of a dreadful refereeing decision, in one of our biggest games of a season - at a time when we're all desperate to see our team prove there's still life after flogging our best player - and some Chelsea chump posts a review of the game on a United website (with at least one example of glaring anti-United bias) and you expect us all to say "well done, old chap, a very fair summary and jolly well played the boys in blue"?

Never gonna happen, to be fair.

vuc · 8th November 2009, 20:12

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Originally Posted by EdWeatherall

That my friend is the biggest load of bollocks, it's a very common misconception that winning the ball is a 'get out of jail free'

Neville won the ball against Barnsley, surely what he did next is ok then??

Maybe, but the fact the ball is won should be all that matters. Its a fine line, like you say Neville won the ball but he followed through afterwards from the front which is what got him the card IMO. I can see how you would see it this way though.

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He was alright today, nothing more, made to look a lot better as United had decided to allow him the space as they didn't see him as a threat, they wanted Giggs to tuck in and tighten up the space for Chelsea's midfield, whereas Valencia was given the role of staying with Cole

They could easily have allowed Giggs to do similar with Ivanovic, but then there would have been a man free in midfield, which would have had Rooney coming deeper than you would have wanted, and giving Terry and Carvahlo an wasy ride

Well this is where I disagree, he dealt with everything that came this way, whether or not you think there could have been more is not the point. He dealt with it. Thats just defensively, consider what a threat he was going forward and the times he tucked in to cover at CB and you have a pretty complete performance.

EdWeatherall · 8th November 2009, 20:16

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Originally Posted by vuc

Maybe, but the fact the ball is won should be all that matters.

Nope, if your dangerous and reckless, no matter whether you win the ball or not, it is still a foul.

Which is why Neville's red card was the correct decision, and why it was the correct decision to penalise Ivanovic, I'd need to see it again to decide conclusively whether it should have been a red card, as idiots in the pub were obscuring the view at times, but from what I saw, the yellow looked a correct decision.

vuc · 8th November 2009, 20:23

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Originally Posted by EdWeatherall

Nope, if your dangerous and reckless, no matter whether you win the ball or not, it is still a foul.

Which is why Neville's red card was the correct decision, and why it was the correct decision to penalise Ivanovic, I'd need to see it again to decide conclusively whether it should have been a red card, as idiots in the pub were obscuring the view at times, but from what I saw, the yellow looked a correct decision.

I can agree with that, if its reckless that is. I need to see the incident again too, initial thoughts were that the yellow was enough.

vuc · 8th November 2009, 23:36

After seeing it again Ed, its definitely not worthy of a red card. It looked worse than it was because Ivanovic only got a slight touch to the ball. Had he got more contact on the ball he would not have made contact with Giggs at all.

EdWeatherall · 8th November 2009, 23:38

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Originally Posted by vuc

After seeing it again Ed, its definitely not worthy of a red card. It looked worse than it was because Ivanovic only got a slight touch to the ball. Had he got more contact on the ball he would not have made contact with Giggs at all.

Fair enough, never said it deserved red, just making the point that winning the ball doesn't allow you to do anything else

Eto'odinho · 9th November 2009, 04:24

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Originally Posted by TheReligion

Silly ratings from a biased idiot

This.

mjs020294 · 9th November 2009, 04:33

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Originally Posted by Cold_Boy

He was decent nothing more.

Whom did he really defend against tbh?

His positioning and defending was very good no matter who he was up against. He contained everything that came down his channel, plus got a few key headers and touches in. Only thing he did wrong all game was the stupid lunge at Giggs.

Sunny Jim · 9th November 2009, 07:35

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Originally Posted by phelans shorts

what about fat franks 5 lunges on valencia?

wtf? are talking about this incidents where Valencia’s shirt got wrapped around Lamps hand? you sick bastard, you’ve just accused an honest man of wrongdoing

Alex · 9th November 2009, 07:42

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Originally Posted by vuc

After seeing it again Ed, its definitely not worthy of a red card. It looked worse than it was because Ivanovic only got a slight touch to the ball. Had he got more contact on the ball he would not have made contact with Giggs at all.

Interesting, so if he wouldnt have fouled Giggs he wouldnt have fouled Giggs

Ekeke · 9th November 2009, 08:05

He's definately wrong about Rooney and Anderson. Anderson gave him plenty of support but Rooney ignored him and was ultmately wasteful in good positions. Alright Anderson isn't the most likely goal scorer but if he's not given the chances then why is he playing so far up the field? If he's in a great position, play him in. If he messes up a few times, then you might think of going another way despite him being in a great position. But Rooney pretty much ignored him regardless.

MiamiSpartan · 9th November 2009, 20:14

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Originally Posted by Mockney

Bizarre leap of logic there....Ivanovic's foul wasn't anywhere near as bad as Evans'....the fact that he actually got a bit of the ball shows what his intentions were....I'm not saying Evans 'meant' to kick Drogba in the chest, but the ball wasn't there was it?

I don't think I've ever seen the forum as blinekred and bitter as I have today....

I still think that's a tough one because Evans was clearly getting the ball first and Drogba charged in after the ball was gone. If someone comes in late on me on a slide tackle, but my follow through kicks him as he's going buy, do I get sent off?

Then again, I get a bit bothered by some of the incidental contact that goes as fouls these days, often on the elbows on headers. There's a difference between throwing an elbow and having your arms up to help create separation without even pushing off or anything. But I see that called more and more lately.

Rood · 11th November 2009, 11:57

If anyone is interested, Nani Nana asked me to do a summary of the match and rate the Chelsea players so it could be posted on TheShedEnd Chelsea forum as a United fan's view of the game:

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Originally Posted by nani

Here's another of our posters, roodboy, providing his views on yesterday's game.

roodboy

Cech 6 Unfortunately he didnt have much to do

Ivanovic 7 Still looks a bit out of position, but worked tirelessly up and down the right flank
Terry 6 Pulled down Valencia, clear penalty - also had the cheek to score a goal
Carvalho 6 Was suprised by how much he manages to get forward from defence (hoped he would do it a bit more and give us an opening on the break!)
Cole 6 Was kept busy on defensive duties so didnt manage to contribute to forward play

Essien 6 Worked hard but I feel he is wasted in a holding role
Ballack 5 Pretty anonymous for the most part
Lampard 6 We didnt give him any space to play
Deco 4 Was very happy to see him start ahead of Joe Cole. Worst player on the pitch

Anelka 8 Chelsea's best player, especially first half.
Drogba 5 Prematch I worried about how Evans&Brown would handle an inform Drogba. Thankfully he didnt turn up.

Joe Cole 6
Alex

"We woz robbed!" Clear penalty when Terry hauled down Valencia and the goal was both unjust and undeserved. Referee and his linesmen have had a shocker - vital offside and penalty decisions called wrong plus missed 2 opportunities to disallow the goal (Drogba foul on Brown and arguably offside). Not to mention some other big calls on yellow cards etc going the wrong way.

It was probably our best midfield performance so far this season, we didnt allow any space to Lampard, and Deco couldn't keep up with the midfield battle. Our patched up defence looked mostly comfortable against an unusually ineffective Drogba (personally I thought the flying kick he received was well deserved

). Unfortunately we lacked the cutting edge upfront, Rooney didnt get properly going until the second half and Giggs was poor, I wish Obertan had come on earlier. We should have tested Cech a bit more as we had a lot more posession than I had expected, but too often we got players into good positions in the final third and wasted the opening. Out of all the players we had missing, Berbatov was the biggest loss.
Anelka impressed me the most, we forced him to drop into midfield to get the ball but he looked by far Chelsea's most dangerous player. He wasn't getting much support from those around him though - I don't see how Deco can get into the team ahead of Joe Cole.

Went to Stamford Bridge for the first time ever today - was suprised at the lack of atmosphere from the home support in one of the biggest games of the season, dont think I heard more than 2 or 3 songs until the last 10 minutes. All the noise was coming from the away end, even after you scored!

Obviously, very disappointed to lose a game that I feel we deserved to win, but we played well and to lose it to such a contentious goal makes me feel like we got the moral victory! Chelsea are clearly our main rivals this season, will be interesting to see if they can cope with the loss of some big players at the African Nations, I hope not

Link here shows the reaction from the Chelsea fans to my summary, initially they were not impressed by my assesment but now we have all bonded over a mutual hatred of the Scousers

Unoffical Chelsea Forum

krazyrobus · 11th November 2009, 13:26

I thought it was a fairly objective summary.

Nani Nana · 11th November 2009, 14:25

good job roodboy

Rood · 11th November 2009, 17:45

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Originally Posted by krazyrobus

I thought it was a fairly objective summary.

Well I was trying to be objective as obviously I knew it was being posted on a Chelsea forum but initially I still got slated for United bias! Anyway I explained a few things in further detail and most people seem to be in agreement - they seem like a decent enough bunch on there, cant imagine the same going down too well on RAWK !

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Originally Posted by Nani Nana

good job roodboy

Cheers mate - was a nice idea on your part.

green demon · 11th November 2009, 18:16

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Rood · 11th November 2009, 18:25

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No, it is still there, but on that site you have to sign up to read certain threads.

Denis' cuff · 11th November 2009, 19:01

Valencia = "ineffective throughout"

apart from keeping "the best wing/fullback in the world" quiet and giving him plenty to think about in general, carrying enough threat to force Lionheart into what should've been a penalty, and generally threatening throughout the OP must've been a bit distracted.

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8th November 2009, 20:03	#41 (permalink)
MrMarcello No Lifer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Georgia Posts: 34,214	FFS, if Evans is worthy of a card (or sending off) on Drogba, Ivanovic was certainly worthy of a card (or sending off) on Giggs.

8th November 2009, 23:36	#48 (permalink)
vuc First Team Serb Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Северна Страна Posts: 9,323	After seeing it again Ed, its definitely not worthy of a red card. It looked worse than it was because Ivanovic only got a slight touch to the ball. Had he got more contact on the ball he would not have made contact with Giggs at all.

9th November 2009, 08:05	#54 (permalink)
Ekeke First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 26,443	He's definately wrong about Rooney and Anderson. Anderson gave him plenty of support but Rooney ignored him and was ultmately wasteful in good positions. Alright Anderson isn't the most likely goal scorer but if he's not given the chances then why is he playing so far up the field? If he's in a great position, play him in. If he messes up a few times, then you might think of going another way despite him being in a great position. But Rooney pretty much ignored him regardless.

11th November 2009, 13:26	#57 (permalink)
krazyrobus Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,889	I thought it was a fairly objective summary.

11th November 2009, 14:25	#58 (permalink)
Nani Nana Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Serbia Posts: 3,949	good job roodboy

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green demon Caf Nostradamous 2008 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Near to nowhere, in the suburbs of Amnesia. Posts: 7,521	Menu disabled. Looks like the mods didn't like it.

11th November 2009, 19:01	#62 (permalink)
Denis' cuff First Team Sub Join Date: May 2007 Location: here Posts: 5,952	Valencia = "ineffective throughout" apart from keeping "the best wing/fullback in the world" quiet and giving him plenty to think about in general, carrying enough threat to force Lionheart into what should've been a penalty, and generally threatening throughout the OP must've been a bit distracted.