Valencia today

Inigo Montoya · 8th November 2009, 19:39

Continues to disappoint in big matches I'm sorry to observe.

I hope I'm proved wrong and he starts to really impose himself on these matches given that he's picked ahead of Nani who's the regualr whipping boy.

this isn't to say he's crap/shite/we should sell him. However the usual excuse that's trotted out is that, "he's young", "he needs experience" etc. To me it's a case of mentality. When I see a player like Obertan at least have a go a the defenders I have to question Valencia's self-belief. He had the beating of Terry and after he was denied a clear penalty should have got at Terry again and again.Instead he did the comfortable job of tracking back and denying Cole space;very commendable but when given the chance to attack there was no urgency until the end.

I don't know the answer but for the sake of the team I hope he starts to do something other than look "OK" against poor sides.

Come on lad!

R_Nick · 8th November 2009, 19:40

Your wrong.

Red_Jamie · 8th November 2009, 19:40

I disagree. I thought he was one of our best players today.

Easily his least-frustrating performance for us and he kept Cashley quiet all match.

Was impressed with him today.

vijay · 8th November 2009, 19:41

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Originally Posted by R_Nick

Your wrong.

You're

Number7 · 8th November 2009, 19:42

Facepalm

He was good today

Top · 8th November 2009, 19:42

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Originally Posted by Red_Jamie

he kept Cashley quiet all match.

Hehe.

phelans shorts · 8th November 2009, 19:42

our motm for me, kept cahsley out, defended well and was assaulted whenever he got the ball

R.Nilsson7 · 8th November 2009, 19:43

Are you for real?

He was good today and was probably our best player in the Liverpool defeat.

vijay · 8th November 2009, 19:43

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Originally Posted by R_Nick

Your wrong.

You're...

With the other three having played well today, always thought Valencia would've been the easy target for the next one week. He was neither outstanding nor poor...

SiYuan · 8th November 2009, 19:43

I didnt think he was that bad today.

It's the unreasonable expectation for him to conjure something magical like Ronaldo or Messi that does not measure him up.

Otherwise he's probably up there with the best today.

Feed Me · 8th November 2009, 19:43

Football 365 have said after today that he's a flop. Ashley Cole didn't get in the game today. Valencia did okay.

RonaldoVII · 8th November 2009, 19:45

He kept Ashley Cole out of the game, and offered something in attack. He did exactly what he was meant to do. He was one of our best players against Liverpool too, so two good performances in the big games.

OP, you're a complete tool.

amir51 · 8th November 2009, 19:46

He has done a good job working hard but his final ball has been absolute rubbish in both big games.

Brophs · 8th November 2009, 19:47

Get a fucking grip, will you? He kept the most in form left back in the world quiet. All game. Ronaldo frequently went missing against Cashley in his later years. He was an alright player, wasn't he?

Cold_Boy · 8th November 2009, 19:47

He was decent.

Decent player at best.Shouldnt expect a Ronaldo or anything close from him tbh.

Alex · 8th November 2009, 19:48

I will say this if United still had Ronaldo that would have sauntered to a win today

Nick 0208 Ldn · 8th November 2009, 19:48

I wasn't sure about starting Valencia but he did better than i expected him to.

Inigo Montoya · 8th November 2009, 19:48

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Originally Posted by Red_Jamie

I disagree. I thought he was one of our best players today.

Easily his least-frustrating performance for us and he kept Cashley quiet all match.

Was impressed with him today.

Well as I said keeping the Fullback quiet was the job he did well but when did he actually threaten the defenders? He even missed a gily edged chance to hit the target from 10 yards and nearly hit the corner flag.He needs to get out of the comfort zone. No doubt SAF will encourage him to keep pressing forward but that's good man-management.

I hope i'm proved wrong big time, believe me. I want players to play well for the good of the team not because of a personality thing...mind I like Valencia and will be thrilled if at the end of the season we're all here with the verdict that he's been a success

Randall Flagg · 8th November 2009, 19:48

Bad error of judgment.

Valencia today was like Park in a big game, but also with a bit of attacking quality. After today I now have a lot more confidence in him than I did before

Brophs · 8th November 2009, 19:49

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Originally Posted by Alex

I will say this if United still had Ronaldo that would have sauntered to a win today

Are you serious?

R_Nick · 8th November 2009, 19:50

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Originally Posted by vijay

You're

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Originally Posted by vijay

You're...

With the other three having played well today, always thought Valencia would've been the easy target for the next one week. He was neither outstanding nor poor...

you really that uptight about spelling?

I've no idea what the later part of your second post means.

Allforone · 8th November 2009, 19:50

Thought he was fantastic myself....not very often Cashley gets totaly owend for 90 minutes and today he was....Valencia did today what we used to have Park doing in similiar matches before but Valencia has an added attacking threat and pace to him that Park simply dosnt..

He was fantastic in the role he was asked to play today...your clearly as blind as a man with a face full of spunk.

datura · 8th November 2009, 19:52

He played well today, not great but well. He's been one of our most consistent players this season. I don't know why people are picking on Valencia when Giggs was far more ineffective.

Inigo Montoya · 8th November 2009, 19:53

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Originally Posted by Brophs

Get a fucking grip, will you? He kept the most in form left back in the world quiet. All game. Ronaldo frequently went missing against Cashley in his later years. He was an alright player, wasn't he?

I would have said that was Evra myself. I though Valencia's job is to produce at both ends of the pitch.But heck what do I know. I've only been watching Utd for over.... well, I won't say how long.

The assertion that Ronaldo went missing against Cole is rather laughable.Ronaldo played when nothing but raw winger and Chelsea were dominant. Cole at that time was the best LB in the world. This season he's been exposed a few times and is several years older.

R_Nick · 8th November 2009, 19:53

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

I hope i'm proved wrong big time, believe me. I want players to play well for the good of the team not because of a personality thing...mind I like Valencia and will be thrilled if at the end of the season we're all here with the verdict that he's been a success

You already have been proved wrong.

Mad · 8th November 2009, 19:53

FFS! He was one of our better players.

EdWeatherall · 8th November 2009, 19:54

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Originally Posted by Feed Me

Football 365 have said after today that he's a flop. Ashley Cole didn't get in the game today. Valencia did okay.

Must be true if they said it then....

:P

Raees · 8th November 2009, 19:55

Thought he done quite well myself.. so quite surprised about the OP. He showed good strength on the ball, on occasion his one-footedness in defensive areas left us in danger but all in all I thought he was a good outlet.

Inigo Montoya · 8th November 2009, 19:56

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Originally Posted by datura

He played well today, not great but well. He's been one of our most consistent players this season. I don't know why people are picking on Valencia when Giggs was far more ineffective.

Giggs for all the criticism levelled at him is in his late 30's and to my mind has never hid in a game of this stature from his debut onwards.

I hope you realise that you're comparing a winger past his prime to a young player who should be showing absolutely no fear

gambit28 · 8th November 2009, 19:57

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Originally Posted by Raees

Thought he done quite well myself.. so quite surprised about the OP. He showed good strength on the ball, on occasion his one-footedness in defensive areas left us in danger but all in all I thought he was a good outlet.

Now i hope you see were you where wrong with your tactics the other day., They are weaker on their right flank.

Brophs · 8th November 2009, 19:57

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

I would have said that was Evra myself. I though Valencia's job is to produce at both ends of the pitch.But heck what do I know. I've only been watching Utd for over.... well, I won't say how long.

The assertion that Ronaldo went missing against Cole is rather laughable.Ronaldo played when nothing but raw winger and Chelsea were dominant. Cole at that time was the best LB in the world. This season he's been exposed a few times and is several years older.

Most in-form left back in the world. I never said best, just to be clear.

I'm not going to agree with you just because you're old(er). You could just as easily have been wrong for all of those years.

Inigo Montoya · 8th November 2009, 19:58

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Originally Posted by R_Nick

You already have been proved wrong.

Really? 12 games in and he's a success? Why don't we wait until May

Raees · 8th November 2009, 19:58

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Originally Posted by gambit28

Now i hope you see were you where wrong with your tactics the other day., They are weaker on their right flank.

.. well not really, as most of their attacks came from the right! Due to giggsy not being able to track Ivanovic.

RedSky At Night · 8th November 2009, 19:59

I'd say that Valencia was as good as he was bad. He kept Cashley quiet, but he didn't really do much with the ball either. Certainly not his best game.

RedKnight · 8th November 2009, 19:59

He needs to learn to shoot more when he cuts inside (like Ronaldo, not that I'm particularly comparing the two).

Otherwise I've got no problems.

CR#7 · 8th November 2009, 20:00

he played the role he was asked of today by SAF and stood his ground rather well I'd say

VoetbalWizard · 8th November 2009, 20:01

valencia is mechanical in his play. superb strength, great athletic ability, but that footballing nous/inventiveness that separates the stars from the workers is missing. he is a good winger, but not a Manchester United-level first XI winger long term IMO.

Raven_Blade · 8th November 2009, 20:01

Well he wasnt the worst Man Utd player on the day. That was Ryan Giggs im afraid.

Valencia did a good job overall from the right wing. Ashley Cole rarely ventured into our half and he was up against a physical battle all game. Valencia made a few crosses of varying accuracy but was always available for runs into space. Terry was lucky not to concede a foul on him in the box. He was solid yet unspectacular but probably performed according to our game plan.

Inigo Montoya · 8th November 2009, 20:01

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Originally Posted by Brophs

Most in-form left back in the world. I never said best, just to be clear.

I'm not going to agree with you just because you're old(er). You could just as easily have been wrong for all of those years.

I've frequently been wrong mate with my years of experience . It's the case that I'm prepared to admit it. Are you right all the time?

PS: I don't belive I was asking to be agreed with simply because I'm older. Age really has nothing to do with having an observation or opinion either way does it?

datura · 8th November 2009, 20:01

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

Giggs for all the criticism levelled at him is in his late 30's and to my mind has never hid in a game of this stature from his debut onwards.

I hope you realise that you're comparing a winger past his prime to a young player who should be showing absolutely no fear

Where did he show any fear? He was willing to take a shot on, tried to be creative, got stuck in etc. Cole and Lampard got to him very quickly and he had little space to work in, which showed how much respect they had for him.

I made the comparison as people seem to pick on the same players when we have a bad result irregardless of how they have actually played.

8th November 2009, 19:39	#1 (permalink)
Inigo Montoya Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,026	Valencia today <a href="http://d.mediadakine.com/ck.php?n=ad232b97&cb=66578" target="_blank"><img src="http://d.mediadakine.com/avw.php?zoneid=81&cb=66578&n=ad232b97" border="0" alt="" /></a> Continues to disappoint in big matches I'm sorry to observe. I hope I'm proved wrong and he starts to really impose himself on these matches given that he's picked ahead of Nani who's the regualr whipping boy. this isn't to say he's crap/shite/we should sell him. However the usual excuse that's trotted out is that, "he's young", "he needs experience" etc. To me it's a case of mentality. When I see a player like Obertan at least have a go a the defenders I have to question Valencia's self-belief. He had the beating of Terry and after he was denied a clear penalty should have got at Terry again and again.Instead he did the comfortable job of tracking back and denying Cole space;very commendable but when given the chance to attack there was no urgency until the end. I don't know the answer but for the sake of the team I hope he starts to do something other than look "OK" against poor sides. Come on lad!

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8th November 2009, 19:40	#2 (permalink)
R_Nick First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: "Remote prayer? I like it. There should be a button on my desk I can press and forty-nine people instantly pray for me." Posts: 9,445	Your wrong.

8th November 2009, 19:40	#3 (permalink)
Red_Jamie Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salford Posts: 1,620	I disagree. I thought he was one of our best players today. Easily his least-frustrating performance for us and he kept Cashley quiet all match. Was impressed with him today.

8th November 2009, 19:42	#5 (permalink)
Number7 Ret's Slave Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: I am very enjoy Posts: 25,265	Facepalm He was good today

8th November 2009, 19:42	#7 (permalink)
phelans shorts First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Obi Wan Kenobi is like god, but with better weapons. Posts: 7,550	our motm for me, kept cahsley out, defended well and was assaulted whenever he got the ball

8th November 2009, 19:43	#8 (permalink)
R.Nilsson7 First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Hehe Posts: 12,579	Are you for real? He was good today and was probably our best player in the Liverpool defeat.

8th November 2009, 19:43	#10 (permalink)
SiYuan Cafe Grandmaster 2008 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Where Crouch is a Midget. Posts: 7,296	I didnt think he was that bad today. It's the unreasonable expectation for him to conjure something magical like Ronaldo or Messi that does not measure him up. Otherwise he's probably up there with the best today.

8th November 2009, 19:43	#11 (permalink)
Feed Me Bobby Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Berbatov has Cantona’s knack of being the man amid a stampede towards the door who stops to notice a side exit that nobody else has seen. Posts: 12,557	Football 365 have said after today that he's a flop. Ashley Cole didn't get in the game today. Valencia did okay.

8th November 2009, 19:45	#12 (permalink)
RonaldoVII Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4,656	He kept Ashley Cole out of the game, and offered something in attack. He did exactly what he was meant to do. He was one of our best players against Liverpool too, so two good performances in the big games. OP, you're a complete tool.

8th November 2009, 19:46	#13 (permalink)
amir51 Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,595	He has done a good job working hard but his final ball has been absolute rubbish in both big games.

8th November 2009, 19:47	#14 (permalink)
Brophs Brewlio's brother Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Almunia looks like a gay, washed-up, heroin-addicted former child star Posts: 10,574	Get a fucking grip, will you? He kept the most in form left back in the world quiet. All game. Ronaldo frequently went missing against Cashley in his later years. He was an alright player, wasn't he?

8th November 2009, 19:47	#15 (permalink)
Cold_Boy Gloom & Doom Spastic Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: somewhere i hate to live Posts: 11,831	He was decent. Decent player at best.Shouldnt expect a Ronaldo or anything close from him tbh.

8th November 2009, 19:48	#16 (permalink)
Alex Spam Alert! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Dances With Smurfs Posts: 34,159	I will say this if United still had Ronaldo that would have sauntered to a win today

8th November 2009, 19:48	#17 (permalink)
Nick 0208 Ldn News 24 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: An everlasting toast to Harry and Juana Smith. :) Posts: 10,950	I wasn't sure about starting Valencia but he did better than i expected him to.

8th November 2009, 19:48	#19 (permalink)
Randall Flagg Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: Co. Wexford Posts: 2,519	Bad error of judgment. Valencia today was like Park in a big game, but also with a bit of attacking quality. After today I now have a lot more confidence in him than I did before

8th November 2009, 19:50	#22 (permalink)
Allforone Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The future is Anderson! Long live the king of the Manchester United midfield. Posts: 4,362	Thought he was fantastic myself....not very often Cashley gets totaly owend for 90 minutes and today he was....Valencia did today what we used to have Park doing in similiar matches before but Valencia has an added attacking threat and pace to him that Park simply dosnt.. He was fantastic in the role he was asked to play today...your clearly as blind as a man with a face full of spunk.

8th November 2009, 19:52	#23 (permalink)
datura Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,977	He played well today, not great but well. He's been one of our most consistent players this season. I don't know why people are picking on Valencia when Giggs was far more ineffective.

8th November 2009, 19:53	#26 (permalink)
Mad Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 2,125	FFS! He was one of our better players.

8th November 2009, 19:55	#28 (permalink)
Raees Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: My style is Impetuous, My defence is Impregnable Posts: 4,447	Thought he done quite well myself.. so quite surprised about the OP. He showed good strength on the ball, on occasion his one-footedness in defensive areas left us in danger but all in all I thought he was a good outlet.

8th November 2009, 19:59	#34 (permalink)
RedSky At Night RTA waiting to happen Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,064	I'd say that Valencia was as good as he was bad. He kept Cashley quiet, but he didn't really do much with the ball either. Certainly not his best game.

8th November 2009, 19:59	#35 (permalink)
RedKnight First Team Sub Join Date: May 2008 Location: Centre Forward Posts: 8,696	He needs to learn to shoot more when he cuts inside (like Ronaldo, not that I'm particularly comparing the two). Otherwise I've got no problems.

8th November 2009, 20:00	#36 (permalink)
CR#7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,215	he played the role he was asked of today by SAF and stood his ground rather well I'd say

8th November 2009, 20:01	#37 (permalink)
VoetbalWizard First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: at the altar of ryan giggs Posts: 6,450	valencia is mechanical in his play. superb strength, great athletic ability, but that footballing nous/inventiveness that separates the stars from the workers is missing. he is a good winger, but not a Manchester United-level first XI winger long term IMO.

8th November 2009, 20:01	#38 (permalink)
Raven_Blade Attention Whoring Common Crow Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: You cant reason with stupidity. Posts: 25,069	Well he wasnt the worst Man Utd player on the day. That was Ryan Giggs im afraid. Valencia did a good job overall from the right wing. Ashley Cole rarely ventured into our half and he was up against a physical battle all game. Valencia made a few crosses of varying accuracy but was always available for runs into space. Terry was lucky not to concede a foul on him in the box. He was solid yet unspectacular but probably performed according to our game plan.