Vidic

amolbhatia100 · 2nd February 2006, 13:58

Something positive now..
Doesnt he seem to be the defender wev all wanted us to sign? Thought he looked quite brilliant yesterday.. With our Fuckups his performance too fell. But IMO fergies made quite an excellent signing.

RedCanuck · 2nd February 2006, 14:02

He looks good. Task for the rest of the season is to get the back four right. Hopefully we will have Rio where he belongs soon.

Striker10 · 2nd February 2006, 14:08

Think he'll be a very sound signing once he finds his feet and learns the language. We've not really seen him tested but i'm sure once match fit it'll bring him out abit more interms of influence

wancolos · 2nd February 2006, 14:10

Did a couple of strange things last night.

Seems like a tough fecker though and 1 yellow card Page Ranking. match from start back ups that

Red-Indian · 2nd February 2006, 14:59

Don't think he looked special enough to justify that kind of praise to be honest. Looked ok and made one major goofup with that headed backpass. Will have to wait and see. More promise from the first couple of games than Evra to be sure though.

Julian Denny · 2nd February 2006, 15:07

Looked quite clumsy at times, mixed in with one or two good things but it's far too early to tell. He needs time to settle in and get his fitness up to scratch. But does this mean that the Ferdinand/Brown partnership which was really starting to gel is now going to be broken up or at least used intermittently ? That would be a pity.

Rona1do · 2nd February 2006, 15:15

I hope there are never going to be 'the new Stam..' threads. I hate 'the new WHOEVER' threads.

holyland red · 2nd February 2006, 15:19

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Originally Posted by Julian Denny

Looked quite clumsy at times, mixed in with one or two good things but it's far too early to tell. He needs time to settle in and get his fitness up to scratch. But does this mean that the Ferdinand/Brown partnership which was really starting to gel is now going to be broken up or at least used intermittently ? That would be a pity.

Any partnership involving Wes is bound to be used intermittently.

kkcbl · 2nd February 2006, 15:47

For a man of his height, he didn't seem to dominate the air - in fact, United defenders seemed to be second best in heading duels against the Blackburn fowards ( as they were against Cort of Wolves the week before ).

Godspeed · 2nd February 2006, 16:23

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Originally Posted by kkcbl

For a man of his height, he didn't seem to dominate the air - in fact, United defenders seemed to be second best in heading duels against the Blackburn fowards ( as they were against Cort of Wolves the week before ).

What? Vidic didn't lose a single header yesterday,it was Evra who lost them all.

Warrington · 2nd February 2006, 16:25

Godspeed · 2nd February 2006, 16:31

Yeah alonso's 89th minute OG was very funny.

thewelshconjurer · 2nd February 2006, 17:20

They have the rest of this season and the pre-season to gel.

$ukhjit · 2nd February 2006, 17:27

From the games hes played for us, the noticeable things are that he seems like a good organizer and is a no nonsense defender.

amolbhatia100 · 2nd February 2006, 17:44

I dunno.. till we threw things away he seemed to be dominant everytime he put in a challenge.. he won almost every header and gave barely gave anyone an inch. I know our performance was rubbish, but he showed signs of being a really quality player.

redpie · 2nd February 2006, 20:33

What the United back line needs most of all is leadership and organization. We all know this.

I hope Vidic quickly realizes that the United back line is a bunch of individual talents crying out for someone to grab it by the scruff of the neck and galvanize it into a disciplined unit.

And I hope he realizes that a lack of English language and deference to more senior players shouldn't stop him being the player to do it sooner rather than later.

That is assuming the player has it in him. I don't know enough about his character or to use a favourite Wenger phrase the depth of his "mental strength" to judge.

Let us hope Fergie Bros. & Co have got it right this time.

Beckham007 · 2nd February 2006, 21:51

He will organise the shit.

Dont you worry about that!

The Hairdryer · 2nd February 2006, 21:56

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Originally Posted by Beckham007

He will organise the shit.

Dont you worry about that!

Can't wait to watch him in the World Cup for Croatia.

Justin · 2nd February 2006, 22:41

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Originally Posted by The Hairdryer

Can't wait to watch him in the World Cup for Croatia.

You mean Serbia.

Chief · 3rd February 2006, 02:47

Hairdryer thats a poor piss take if i ever heard one, Croatia? Scum of the Balcans!!!

Vidic will prove to be a handy player, he's definately not match fit and obviously hasn't a clue to the language. Hopefully by next term these things are sorted then watch out!

Midfield · 3rd February 2006, 03:33

Vidic still an infant in the premiership and I believe he needs more time to get settle with the game.

reelworld · 3rd February 2006, 03:54

Stam has worst start than Vidic.. so I'm more than willing to give him more chances.

Freak · 3rd February 2006, 06:04

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Originally Posted by Chief

obviously hasn't a clue to the language

When he came on for his debut as a substitute, you could read his lips shouting ' three...you, you and me', to rio and brown! Obviously he knows enough of the language to be able to do well.

devilish · 3rd February 2006, 07:54

I think that Vidic was signed to add more steel and consistency to our defense. We all know Wes. He is a brilliant lad, but he is a bit of injury and error prone and he takes his time (after injury) to regain form, so considering that Mickey is more or less the same like him (less injury prone but more mistake prone) and that Rio is not that type of hardworking tough tackler, someone like Vidic was needed

Keilyn27 · 3rd February 2006, 08:37

Physical player but Vidic's looked clumsy at times and can improve upon his passing. Maybe it's down to the lack of sharpness after his long layoff.

While SAF's earmarked Vidic as his first choice CB longterm, I think now's the wrong time to introduce him. Given our makeshift midfield, we should stick to the Rio-Brown partnership which has looked very solid.

devilish · 3rd February 2006, 08:48

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Originally Posted by Keilyn27

Physical player but Vidic's looked clumsy at times and can improve upon his passing. Maybe it's down to the lack of sharpness after his long layoff.

While SAF's earmarked Vidic as his first choice CB longterm, I think now's the wrong time to introduce him. Given our makeshift midfield, we should stick to the Rio-Brown partnership which has looked very solid.

If Rio manages to settle down well in midfield then we would solve one big problem + would give us options

Escobar · 3rd February 2006, 08:52

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Originally Posted by devilish

If Rio manages to settle down well in midfield then we would solve one big problem + would give us options

Dont think that should be the answer. I'm against players to switch their positions. Play defenders at the back and midfielders in the middle, as simple as that. Right now i would prefer a reserve team player to play in midfield than Rio, as he should play at the back. Play players there were they are best at!

Julian Denny · 3rd February 2006, 10:39

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Originally Posted by devilish

I think that Vidic was signed to add more steel and consistency to our defense. We all know Wes. He is a brilliant lad, but he is a bit of injury and error prone and he takes his time (after injury) to regain form, so considering that Mickey is more or less the same like him (less injury prone but more mistake prone) and that Rio is not that type of hardworking tough tackler, someone like Vidic was needed

You are right about the reasons he was signed. However it coincided with a return to form of Wes Brown alongside Rio. I realise Fergie had little option against Blackburn given the injury/ suspension situation in midfield, but to now break up that partnership just because Vidic has arrived could be a mistake. It was interesting to see Brown revert back to a sort of jittery performance probably because of the change in central defence. If Wes and Rio are playing well together why change it just because Vidic has arrived? He'll get his chance later.

devilish · 3rd February 2006, 11:03

I disagree with you. I mean currently our CM is too weak and we had tried all our options (and they had all failed), if Rio can sort the midfield out then its worthwhile to continue playing him in that position, at least until the end of the season. Regarding the defense, what can I say? If Vidic, Mickey and Wes are half as good as we claim them to be they shouldn’t need Rio covering their arse all the time. Mind ideally we should never break a solid partnership. On the other hand, I dont consider this team as the ideal team.

amolbhatia100 · 3rd February 2006, 12:22

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Originally Posted by devilish

I disagree with you. I mean currently our CM is too weak and we had tried all our options (and they had all failed), if Rio can sort the midfield out then its worthwhile to continue playing him in that position, at least until the end of the season.

Its a bit of a dilemma, we want our defence SETTLED by next season.. swapping and changing wont help the cause. And Rios not going to be a permanent fixture in the MF, hes far too good a defender for that. Then again, i thought for wednesdays game Fergie made the correct decision, and it showed, we were looking very good till the fuckups began..

Another thing.. everyone wants Vidic to come in and suddenly show all the leadership and organisational skills. IMO thats just wrong.. hes alien to the english language, culture and game.. Rio is the one who has to take the lead but i dont think its that big a deal. Give our 4 or 5 best defenders a couple of months to gel and i think things will settle down.

devilish · 3rd February 2006, 12:39

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Originally Posted by amolbhatia100

Its a bit of a dilemma, we want our defence SETTLED by next season.. swapping and changing wont help the cause. And Rios not going to be a permanent fixture in the MF, hes far too good a defender for that. Then again, i thought for wednesdays game Fergie made the correct decision, and it showed, we were looking very good till the fuckups began..

Another thing.. everyone wants Vidic to come in and suddenly show all the leadership and organisational skills. IMO thats just wrong.. hes alien to the english language, culture and game.. Rio is the one who has to take the lead but i dont think its that big a deal. Give our 4 or 5 best defenders a couple of months to gel and i think things will settle down.

By next season we are going to buy 2 midfielders, Rio will return to his original role, Heinze will return from injury and the defense will be settled. But by that time we are working on a small squad and therefore what is ideal doesnt always apply for our circumstances.

Julian Denny · 3rd February 2006, 12:50

I still do not see any reason to upset the Rio/Wes partnership which was starting to look very settled and solid just to accomodate Vidic.

mtthommo · 3rd February 2006, 13:15

Both Vidic & Evra have been bought in to create competition for places.
Lets be honest - O'Shea isn't good enough at centre-half or left back & though I've always been a fan of Silvestre but he's been shocking the last two seasons - his confidence has been shredded by the horoscope beliving twat currently in charge of the French team.
Wes is the best defender at the club (as long as he stays injury free) so I think it's great to think we've got 3 top-drawer centre-halfs keeping each other on their toes! And when Gabby gets fit we'll have two quality left-backs battling to stay in the team!

2nd February 2006, 13:58	#1 (permalink)
amolbhatia100 Has excellent taste in women Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: india Posts: 11,168	Vidic Something positive now.. Doesnt he seem to be the defender wev all wanted us to sign? Thought he looked quite brilliant yesterday.. With our Fuckups his performance too fell. But IMO fergies made quite an excellent signing.

2nd February 2006, 14:02	#2 (permalink)
RedCanuck First Team Sub Join Date: May 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 5,671	He looks good. Task for the rest of the season is to get the back four right. Hopefully we will have Rio where he belongs soon.

2nd February 2006, 14:08	#3 (permalink)
Striker10 First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 5,111	Think he'll be a very sound signing once he finds his feet and learns the language. We've not really seen him tested but i'm sure once match fit it'll bring him out abit more interms of influence

2nd February 2006, 14:10	#4 (permalink)
wancolos Diarrhetic homosexual- likes to beat Noggies with his manbat Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 16,391	Did a couple of strange things last night. Seems like a tough fecker though and 1 yellow card Page Ranking. match from start back ups that

2nd February 2006, 14:59	#5 (permalink)
Red-Indian Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Supposedly working in office Posts: 1,025	Don't think he looked special enough to justify that kind of praise to be honest. Looked ok and made one major goofup with that headed backpass. Will have to wait and see. More promise from the first couple of games than Evra to be sure though.

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Julian Denny Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South Africa Posts: 3,361	Looked quite clumsy at times, mixed in with one or two good things but it's far too early to tell. He needs time to settle in and get his fitness up to scratch. But does this mean that the Ferdinand/Brown partnership which was really starting to gel is now going to be broken up or at least used intermittently ? That would be a pity.

2nd February 2006, 15:15	#7 (permalink)
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kkcbl First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 7,912	For a man of his height, he didn't seem to dominate the air - in fact, United defenders seemed to be second best in heading duels against the Blackburn fowards ( as they were against Cort of Wolves the week before ).

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Godspeed Peed Dogs Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,649	Yeah alonso's 89th minute OG was very funny.

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thewelshconjurer "off course Poo for the final!" SHAME ON YOU Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: "The fear of loss is a path to the dark side" Posts: 9,201	They have the rest of this season and the pre-season to gel.

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$ukhjit First Team Sub Join Date: May 2001 Location: Leicester, United Kingdom Posts: 5,343	From the games hes played for us, the noticeable things are that he seems like a good organizer and is a no nonsense defender.

2nd February 2006, 17:44	#15 (permalink)
amolbhatia100 Has excellent taste in women Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: india Posts: 11,168	I dunno.. till we threw things away he seemed to be dominant everytime he put in a challenge.. he won almost every header and gave barely gave anyone an inch. I know our performance was rubbish, but he showed signs of being a really quality player.

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redpie Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mrs Merton's box room Posts: 2,107	What the United back line needs most of all is leadership and organization. We all know this. I hope Vidic quickly realizes that the United back line is a bunch of individual talents crying out for someone to grab it by the scruff of the neck and galvanize it into a disciplined unit. And I hope he realizes that a lack of English language and deference to more senior players shouldn't stop him being the player to do it sooner rather than later. That is assuming the player has it in him. I don't know enough about his character or to use a favourite Wenger phrase the depth of his "mental strength" to judge. Let us hope Fergie Bros. & Co have got it right this time.

2nd February 2006, 21:51	#17 (permalink)
Beckham007 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Sir Matt Busby Way - LUHG Posts: 4,359	He will organise the shit. Dont you worry about that!

3rd February 2006, 02:47	#20 (permalink)
Chief Youth Team Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 415	Hairdryer thats a poor piss take if i ever heard one, Croatia? Scum of the Balcans!!! Vidic will prove to be a handy player, he's definately not match fit and obviously hasn't a clue to the language. Hopefully by next term these things are sorted then watch out!

3rd February 2006, 03:33	#21 (permalink)
Midfield Red Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Upstairs Posts: 2,563	Vidic still an infant in the premiership and I believe he needs more time to get settle with the game.

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reelworld Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: "I was never a great player" - Roy Keane, after being reminded that great players rarely make great managers. Posts: 4,976	Stam has worst start than Vidic.. so I'm more than willing to give him more chances.

3rd February 2006, 07:54	#24 (permalink)
devilish Nationality: Italian-English, Maltese Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cnut's home Posts: 17,349	I think that Vidic was signed to add more steel and consistency to our defense. We all know Wes. He is a brilliant lad, but he is a bit of injury and error prone and he takes his time (after injury) to regain form, so considering that Mickey is more or less the same like him (less injury prone but more mistake prone) and that Rio is not that type of hardworking tough tackler, someone like Vidic was needed

3rd February 2006, 08:37	#25 (permalink)
Keilyn27 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: who's the bigger muppet - ostrich or chicken little? Posts: 3,004	Physical player but Vidic's looked clumsy at times and can improve upon his passing. Maybe it's down to the lack of sharpness after his long layoff. While SAF's earmarked Vidic as his first choice CB longterm, I think now's the wrong time to introduce him. Given our makeshift midfield, we should stick to the Rio-Brown partnership which has looked very solid.

3rd February 2006, 11:03	#29 (permalink)
devilish Nationality: Italian-English, Maltese Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cnut's home Posts: 17,349	I disagree with you. I mean currently our CM is too weak and we had tried all our options (and they had all failed), if Rio can sort the midfield out then its worthwhile to continue playing him in that position, at least until the end of the season. Regarding the defense, what can I say? If Vidic, Mickey and Wes are half as good as we claim them to be they shouldn’t need Rio covering their arse all the time. Mind ideally we should never break a solid partnership. On the other hand, I dont consider this team as the ideal team.

3rd February 2006, 12:50	#32 (permalink)
Julian Denny Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South Africa Posts: 3,361	I still do not see any reason to upset the Rio/Wes partnership which was starting to look very settled and solid just to accomodate Vidic.