Vidic

amolbhatia100 · 3rd February 2006, 15:14

TBH Rio did look quite good in that central midfield role.. and every was working just fine. He may not provide the passion and bite of Smith, but hes physically such a presence and technically so good, that it works.

Vinay · 3rd February 2006, 17:07

Vidic wasn't all that bad. He lacks match fitness, for sure. But, otherwise, I feel rather comfortable with him in the back line. And I do like Rio being in midfield for sure. Has class befitting a role in CM.

Mozza · 3rd February 2006, 17:09

Yup, he's two games into his preseason, I wont expect him to be fully fit for another 3 or 4 games.

Keilyn27 · 4th February 2006, 08:08

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Originally Posted by devilish

I disagree Rio is doing fairly well in midfield, certianly better than Smith.

Rio's the better passer, he's also able to move forward with the ball whilst Smith has the physical game essential for any PL midfielder. Still both are desperate stopgap measures in midfield.

Vinay · 4th February 2006, 08:17

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Originally Posted by Keilyn27

Rio's the better passer, he's also able to move forward with the ball whilst Smith has the physical game essential for any PL midfielder. Still both are desperate stopgap measures in midfield.

From what you say, they'd probably be best at complementing each other in CM - don't you think so?

devilish · 4th February 2006, 09:57

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Originally Posted by Julian Denny

Do you mean Fergie bought Vidic so that Rio could move into midfield and not just as an emergency fill in ? I thought it was because he's fed up with Silvestre there and also doesn't think JOS is up to scratch - certainly not in partnership with Rio. Vidic will be a good signing I'm sure (at least I hope !) but I still wouldn't break up the Brown/ Ferdinand pairing right now.

No of course not. SAF bought Vidic because he wants to build a great side and the right defender was available at the right time. Now,till Summer we have a problem with the midfield and Rio is currently one of our best options. With Vidic and Wes as Central backs + Gaz and Evra on the rear flanks our defense should afford living these last few months without Rio. I really cant understand the fuss about this. I mean this situation is temporary because once SAF gets his men (whom he cant sign now) our midfield will be sorted, Rio will return in central defense and our team will be as solid as ever.

devilish · 4th February 2006, 09:57

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Originally Posted by Vinay

From what you say, they'd probably be best at complementing each other in CM - don't you think so?

Yes our midfield would be great with a defender and a striker in it.

Julian Denny · 4th February 2006, 10:22

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Originally Posted by devilish

No of course not. SAF bought Vidic because he wants to build a great side and the right defender was available at the right time. Now,till Summer we have a problem with the midfield and Rio is currently one of our best options. With Vidic and Wes as Central backs + Gaz and Evra on the rear flanks our defense should afford living these last few months without Rio. I really cant understand the fuss about this. I mean this situation is temporary because once SAF gets his men (whom he cant sign now) our midfield will be sorted, Rio will return in central defense and our team will be as solid as ever.

Fuss ? What fuss ? We're just discussing the issue aren't we ? Vidic comes with a pretty solid reputation of being a no nonsense, rugged type of CB, presumably with some skill to go with it. He's shown some of those qualities already although he will take time to settle in and get acclimatised to the EPL as well as match fitness etc etc. Rio is not a midfielder, I think Fergie has acknowledged that, despite the fact that he has considerable skill on the ball and is an excellent passer. The Blackburn match showed that to a large extent. Vidic will probably be a good buy for us and will bring up the pre-requisite numbers of quality defensive players that we need. All I am saying is that given the excellent form of Brown and Ferdinand together, why break that partnership up right now? This is always a crucial time in the season where trophies are to be won and qualification for the ECL is to be secured. It is not the time to be mucking about with a settled back four - or given the left back situation, with Evra establishing himself, a settled back three.

Vinay · 4th February 2006, 11:37

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Originally Posted by devilish

Yes our midfield would be great with a defender and a striker in it.

And why not?

You'll have to admit - Rio has a lot in his game that makes him so much more than a defender. He distributes the ball so well and is so composed technically on the ball to make space for himself in midfield. Rio has a lot of offensive qualities in his game and they are going to have the right stage to be brought out when he is in midfield. We have brought in two defenders and probably because Rio will probably not play any more in defence. I'd trust the defence with Wes Brown and Nemanja Vidic at CB with Rio in front of them. In spite of the defeat at Blackburn, this arrangement gives me plenty of confidence. The mistakes will go out once they get a couple of decent games.

Smith is picking up very fast in midfield and is always improving in tackling and the steel he brings in midfield is right now second to none in our team and he may just as well be used a CM, I say.

Keilyn27 · 4th February 2006, 13:11

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Originally Posted by Vinay

From what you say, they'd probably be best at complementing each other in CM - don't you think so?

Eh... only if we put VDS up front to take advantage of his height.

devilish · 4th February 2006, 16:40

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Originally Posted by Julian Denny

All I am saying is that given the excellent form of Brown and Ferdinand together, why break that partnership up right now?

For the simple reason that

a) With Vidic signing Rio is not needed in the defense as he was needed in the past

b) Our central midfield is crap and Rio can provide some quality in it

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Originally Posted by Julian Denny

This is always a crucial time in the season where trophies are to be won and qualification for the ECL is to be secured. It is not the time to be mucking about with a settled back four - or given the left back situation, with Evra establishing himself, a settled back three.

Thats why we need to find a decent option for CM. We have tried Giggs and Smith and both had failed miserably. With Scholes and (guess guess) fortune injured we are running out of options. Rio could solve this problem + if our defenders are half as good as we claim them to be (some claim that Wes is better then Rio) they should be able to live without Rio for a couple of months

devilish · 4th February 2006, 16:44

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Originally Posted by Vinay

And why not?

You'll have to admit - Rio has a lot in his game that makes him so much more than a defender. He distributes the ball so well and is so composed technically on the ball to make space for himself in midfield. Rio has a lot of offensive qualities in his game and they are going to have the right stage to be brought out when he is in midfield. We have brought in two defenders and probably because Rio will probably not play any more in defence. I'd trust the defence with Wes Brown and Nemanja Vidic at CB with Rio in front of them. In spite of the defeat at Blackburn, this arrangement gives me plenty of confidence. The mistakes will go out once they get a couple of decent games.

Smith is picking up very fast in midfield and is always improving in tackling and the steel he brings in midfield is right now second to none in our team and he may just as well be used a CM, I say.

Just in case you havent noticed. We are talking about these players

And not these ones

dev1l · 22nd May 2008, 08:56

Legend....

Cupid Stunt · 22nd May 2008, 14:07

MOTM last night, I can't see how it can be disputed. He reversed the usual roles's that we see when Drogba plays any other centre half, this time it was Drogba getting bullied all night and left with no lunch money.

Hero, a credit to himself, to United and to his country.

His alround play was superb, and not a hint of the shakey distribution we sometimes expect from Vidic. He is now truely a United great.

Name Changed · 22nd May 2008, 14:36

The best defender in the world.

Cambo · 22nd May 2008, 15:30

What a feckin legend he is. Tremendous performance and an outstanding player.

3rd February 2006, 15:14	#41 (permalink)
amolbhatia100 Has excellent taste in women Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: india Posts: 11,201	TBH Rio did look quite good in that central midfield role.. and every was working just fine. He may not provide the passion and bite of Smith, but hes physically such a presence and technically so good, that it works.

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Vinay Muppet in Training Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: On a Rose-Hill Posts: 4,277	Vidic wasn't all that bad. He lacks match fitness, for sure. But, otherwise, I feel rather comfortable with him in the back line. And I do like Rio being in midfield for sure. Has class befitting a role in CM.

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Mozza "Geek" Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Let Rooney be Rooney Posts: 16,492	Yup, he's two games into his preseason, I wont expect him to be fully fit for another 3 or 4 games.

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dev1l Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,129	Legend....

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Cupid Stunt Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: "In that, Anfield is unbeatable. Put a shit hanging from a stick in the middle of this passionate, crazy stadium and there are people who will tell you it's a work of art. It's not: it's a shit hanging from a stick." Posts: 1,524	MOTM last night, I can't see how it can be disputed. He reversed the usual roles's that we see when Drogba plays any other centre half, this time it was Drogba getting bullied all night and left with no lunch money. Hero, a credit to himself, to United and to his country. His alround play was superb, and not a hint of the shakey distribution we sometimes expect from Vidic. He is now truely a United great.

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Name Changed weso26 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dublin Posts: 4,454	The best defender in the world.

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Cambo camerony Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 514	What a feckin legend he is. Tremendous performance and an outstanding player.