Wayne Rooney

Feed Me · 26th March 2008, 16:11

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

Yes. As I've said twice, I agree with your argument.

Ah... All this argument must be flustering me. Must read more closely.

crappycraperson · 26th March 2008, 16:11

Here is the thing. If Rooney was not getting into positions to score goals, then I would not complain. It is not about him scoring less goals, its about missing too many chances. Take the 4-0 Arsenal game, he SHOULD have had a hattrick in that game. On Sunday he ought to have score one too. Now if you add these goals to his performance in general, that elevates him to the same level as someone like Ronaldo. That is why it is so frustrating, he really needs to get down and work on finishing off those chances.

crappycraperson · 26th March 2008, 16:16

Rooney's two best performances this season has been against Arsenal and Liverpool. Playing as a front man. So I am not sure why people keep banging on about his position. He does not work as a front man when we start hoofing balls for him to win in the air. That's it. Otherwise he is not tied down as a front man, he has the freedom to move to the winds, drop deep to pick up balls. Everything you would want your hole player to have.

Plechazunga · 26th March 2008, 16:16

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Originally Posted by crappycraperson

Here is the thing. If Rooney was not getting into positions to score goals, then I would not complain. It is not about him scoring less goals, its about missing too many chances. Take the 4-0 Arsenal game, he SHOULD have had a hattrick in that game. On Sunday he ought to have score one too. Now if you add these goals to his performance in general, that elevates him to the same level as someone like Ronaldo. That is why it is so frustrating, he really needs to get down and work on finishing off those chances.

I don't think it's about work. I bet you anything Wayne Rooney's working like feck on his finishing in training. Fact is, they just won't go in at the minute.

Look at the Liverpool game, he twice brought down extremely difficult high balls, showing great touch, on one occasion actually hitting it first time after doing so, it was fantastic, but Reina saved it. He's playing well, he's getting in those positions time and again, he's just not scoring.

That's the way it goes sometimes. He's never been a really consistently lethal finisher, but he's a lot more clinical than he's showing at the moment.
Nothing anyone can do, just have to wait for it to happen. And ideally not play him as the frontman after this season.

Feed Me · 26th March 2008, 16:19

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

I don't think it's about work. I bet you anything Wayne Rooney's working like feck on his finishing in training. Fact is, they just won't go in at the minute.

Look at the Liverpool game, he twice brought down extremely difficult high balls, showing great touch, on one occasion actually hitting it first time after doing so, it was fantastic, but Reina saved it. He's playing well, he's getting in those positions time and again, he's just not scoring.

That's the way it goes sometimes. He's never been a really consistently lethal finisher, but he's a lot more clinical than he's showing at the moment.
Nothing anyone can do, just have to wait for it to happen. And ideally not play him as the frontman after this season.

If we play him as the lone frontman after this season - he'll fecking be there forever.

crappycraperson · 26th March 2008, 16:20

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

I don't think it's about work. I bet you anything Wayne Rooney's working like feck on his finishing in training. Fact is, they just won't go in at the minute.

Look at the Liverpool game, he twice brought down extremely difficult high balls, showing great touch, on one occasion actually hitting it first time after doing so, it was fantastic, but Reina saved it. He's playing well, he's getting in those positions time and again, he's just not scoring.

That's the way it goes sometimes. He's never been a really consistently lethal finisher, but he's a lot more clinical than he's showing at the moment.
Nothing anyone can do, just have to wait for it to happen. And ideally not play him as the frontman after this season.

Why?

If anything playing him as a front man is providing him with more opportunities to improve his temperament when in a goal scoring position.

Scholesy · 26th March 2008, 16:21

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

I don't think it's about work. I bet you anything Wayne Rooney's working like feck on his finishing in training. Fact is, they just won't go in at the minute.

Look at the Liverpool game, he twice brought down extremely difficult high balls, showing great touch, on one occasion actually hitting it first time after doing so, it was fantastic, but Reina saved it. He's playing well, he's getting in those positions time and again, he's just not scoring.

That's the way it goes sometimes. He's never been a really consistently lethal finisher, but he's a lot more clinical than he's showing at the moment.
Nothing anyone can do, just have to wait for it to happen. And ideally not play him as the frontman after this season.

There is no point, it will never improve. Hes not a bad finisher, he just doesnt make the right decisions.

Pogue Mahone · 26th March 2008, 16:23

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

There is no point, it will never improve. Hes not a bad finisher, he just doesnt make the right decisions.

Of course it won't. It's been fixed since he turned 16, right?

marcus agrippa · 26th March 2008, 16:24

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

There is no point, it will never improve. Hes not a bad finisher, he just doesnt make the right decisions.

still at it, eh, Scholesy?

i bet players are wasting their time turning up at Carrington every week, eh?

Feed Me · 26th March 2008, 16:25

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

There is no point, it will never improve. Hes not a bad finisher, he just doesnt make the right decisions.

In fairness, that is absurd.

Scholesy · 26th March 2008, 16:27

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Of course it won't. It's been fixed since he turned 16, right?

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Originally Posted by marcus agrippa

still at it, eh, Scholesy?

i bet players are wasting their time turning up at Carrington every week, eh?

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Originally Posted by Feed Me

In fairness, that is absurd.

Yes, its been fixed since 16. I am so confident of this.

They turn up to practice and keep fresh, mentally and physically, not to improve their ability(which is talent basically, and you are born with a certain amount, which you cant change)

Its not absurd in my eyes, Im 100% right.

crappycraperson · 26th March 2008, 16:28

Rooney needs to have big goal scoring run. Not 5-6 matches but a whole season one. For me, his and Torres finishing ability was at about the same level before this season. Torres had similar stats like him at Athletico. During the start of the season, he was missing quite a few chances at Liverpool as well. Since then he just kept scoring goals every other match and a big goal scoring run behind him, you could see he is confident putting away every opportunity he gets. Same would be true for Rooney. He gets one 20+ league goal season and you will have see him have many more.

crappycraperson · 26th March 2008, 16:28

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

Yes, its been fixed since 16. I am so confident of this.

They turn up to practice and keep fresh, mentally and physically, not to improve their ability(which is talent basically, and you are born with a certain amount, which you cant change)

Its not absurd in my eyes, Im 100% right.

You should stop discussing football.

Feed Me · 26th March 2008, 16:29

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

Yes, its been fixed since 16. I am so confident of this.

They turn up to practice and keep fresh, mentally and physically, not to improve their ability(which is talent basically, and you are born with a certain amount, which you cant change)

Its not absurd in my eyes, Im 100% right.

There is always an element of improvement going on in training. To say otherwise is simply untrue. To an extent, a lot of skills have an upper limit (i.e. a player will only ever be good to a certain level) but improvement always happens.

Pogue Mahone · 26th March 2008, 16:29

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

Yes, its been fixed since 16. I am so confident of this.

They turn up to practice and keep fresh, mentally and physically, not to improve their ability(which is talent basically, and you are born with a certain amount, which you cant change)

Its not absurd in my eyes, Im 100% right.

I guess we're back to playing that game Plech was talking about a couple of pages back. Who's next?

marcus agrippa · 26th March 2008, 16:31

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

Yes, its been fixed since 16. I am so confident of this.

They turn up to practice and keep fresh, mentally and physically, not to improve their ability(which is talent basically, and you are born with a certain amount, which you cant change)

Its not absurd in my eyes, Im 100% right.

of course it isn't.

i bet SAF was talking bollocks when he said Ronaldo practises free-kicks like a man possessed, and it is just an accident that he's improved his technique over the years.

or maybe all the Cantona time the lads put in after regular practice is just a waste of time.

you don't half talk shite, mate. seriously.

Feed Me · 26th March 2008, 16:31

Scholesy: How do you explain the improvement of Lampard at Chelsea?

jojojo · 26th March 2008, 16:31

I know everyone's gut feeling says "second striker" but the stats suggest that a goal in 8 attempts is what you get from Roo and as the stats go back three years and take in periods when he played with RvN and Saha that's probably the story.

Will it always be so? I don't know. A year ago I wouldn't have bet that Ronaldo was going to become a 30+ goalscorer - I'd have hoped, but I wouldn't have bet money on it.

marcus agrippa · 26th March 2008, 16:34

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Originally Posted by crappycraperson

you could see he is confident putting away every opportunity he gets. Same would be true for Rooney. He gets one 20+ league goal season and you will have see him have many more.

this is the key point. personally, i just think it's a confidence thing with Rooney. his timing is off, as he seems rather anxious when pulling the trigger.

Scholesy · 26th March 2008, 16:35

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Originally Posted by Feed Me

Scholesy: How do you explain the improvement of Lampard at Chelsea?

Better decision making through more experience. Better manager. Better teammates. His talent is a constant though.

Im not going to get dragged into this debate again. See the 'Anderson' thread.

Pogue Mahone · 26th March 2008, 16:35

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Originally Posted by crappycraperson

Rooney needs to have big goal scoring run. Not 5-6 matches but a whole season one. For me, his and Torres finishing ability was at about the same level before this season. Torres had similar stats like him at Athletico. During the start of the season, he was missing quite a few chances at Liverpool as well. Since then he just kept scoring goals every other match and a big goal scoring run behind him, you could see he is confident putting away every opportunity he gets. Same would be true for Rooney. He gets one 20+ league goal season and you will have see him have many more.

Amen to that.

The only flaw that Rooney has, IMO, is a tendency to lose form quite quickly when he's out of the game, then take ages to get going again after his comeback. This has been a problem throughout his time at the club. Even after his awesome debut against Fenerbahce, he took another 10 games or so to really get going.

When he's working his way back to form his whole game suffers, not just his finishing. But missing clear-cut opportunities tends to get noticed more than a misplaced pass or two, so people focus on this aspect of his game.

This season he's had two lengthy spells out of the game and is only just getting back to his best. But people seem determined to put his problems down to the position he's been asked to play (a position he has said he enjoys playing) If he gets a decent pre-season and can stay fit until Christmas next season, I can see a lot of people eating their words, both about his finishing and about his best position.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 26th March 2008, 16:38

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

Yes, its been fixed since 16. I am so confident of this.

They turn up to practice and keep fresh, mentally and physically, not to improve their ability(which is talent basically, and you are born with a certain amount, which you cant change)

Its not absurd in my eyes, Im 100% right.

Spot on. You can't improve natural talent. It's only skills you can improve.

Scholesy · 26th March 2008, 16:39

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Spot on. You can't improve natural talent. It's only skills you can improve.

You being sarcy or does someone FINALLY agree with me?!

Psmith · 26th March 2008, 16:39

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

Yes, its been fixed since 16. I am so confident of this.

They turn up to practice and keep fresh, mentally and physically, not to improve their ability(which is talent basically, and you are born with a certain amount, which you cant change)

Its not absurd in my eyes, Im 100% right.

One of the most spastic things to be said on the Caf. And then claims to be 100% right.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 26th March 2008, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Amen to that.

The only flaw that Rooney has, IMO, is a tendency to lose form quite quickly when he's out of the game, then take ages to get going again after his comeback. This has been a problem throughout his time at the club. Even after his awesome debut against Fenerbahce, he took another 10 games or so to really get going.

When he's working his way back to form his whole game suffers, not just his finishing. But missing clear-cut opportunities tends to get noticed more than a misplaced pass or two, so people focus on this aspect of his game.

This season he's had two lengthy spells out of the game and is only just getting back to his best. But people seem determined to put his problems down to the position he's been asked to play (a position he has said he enjoys playing) If he gets a decent pre-season and can stay fit until Christmas next season, I can see a lot of people eating their words, both about his finishing and about his best position.

I wonder how anyone can eat their words about Rooney's finishing. When they've said he has to improve on it. Which he will do this summer. . Trust me..Rooney has in him the potential to be as prolific as Henry became..regardless of his role in the fowardline...

Psmith · 26th March 2008, 16:42

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Truth is they are both bad. But for me B is worse because he takes
twice the amount of chances to have the same effect as player A.

I'm genuinely chuckling at this.

marcus agrippa · 26th March 2008, 16:43

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Originally Posted by Scholesy

Better decision making through more experience. Better manager. Better teammates. His talent is a constant though.

suppose i was born with bags and bags of footballing talent. i mean, Maradona-Pele-Best-eque, with a sprinkling of Cruijf, Platini and Socrates thrown in for good measure. hell, might as well chuck Duncan in just to round it off.

but suppose i'd chosen to be, oh, i don't know, an insurance salesman. in f

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crappycraperson First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: <Insert something funny here> Posts: 10,537	Here is the thing. If Rooney was not getting into positions to score goals, then I would not complain. It is not about him scoring less goals, its about missing too many chances. Take the 4-0 Arsenal game, he SHOULD have had a hattrick in that game. On Sunday he ought to have score one too. Now if you add these goals to his performance in general, that elevates him to the same level as someone like Ronaldo. That is why it is so frustrating, he really needs to get down and work on finishing off those chances.

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crappycraperson First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: <Insert something funny here> Posts: 10,537	Rooney's two best performances this season has been against Arsenal and Liverpool. Playing as a front man. So I am not sure why people keep banging on about his position. He does not work as a front man when we start hoofing balls for him to win in the air. That's it. Otherwise he is not tied down as a front man, he has the freedom to move to the winds, drop deep to pick up balls. Everything you would want your hole player to have.

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crappycraperson First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: <Insert something funny here> Posts: 10,537	Rooney needs to have big goal scoring run. Not 5-6 matches but a whole season one. For me, his and Torres finishing ability was at about the same level before this season. Torres had similar stats like him at Athletico. During the start of the season, he was missing quite a few chances at Liverpool as well. Since then he just kept scoring goals every other match and a big goal scoring run behind him, you could see he is confident putting away every opportunity he gets. Same would be true for Rooney. He gets one 20+ league goal season and you will have see him have many more.

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Feed Me bobbobray - hits women. Big man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Berbatov has Cantona’s knack of being the man amid a stampede towards the door who stops to notice a side exit that nobody else has seen. Posts: 8,549	Scholesy: How do you explain the improvement of Lampard at Chelsea?

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jojojo Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: wondering if I'll ever get chance to sing Viva Ronaldo again Posts: 1,182	I know everyone's gut feeling says "second striker" but the stats suggest that a goal in 8 attempts is what you get from Roo and as the stats go back three years and take in periods when he played with RvN and Saha that's probably the story. Will it always be so? I don't know. A year ago I wouldn't have bet that Ronaldo was going to become a 30+ goalscorer - I'd have hoped, but I wouldn't have bet money on it.