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Old 7th February 2008, 14:45   #121 (permalink)
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so 'potential' makes rooney the best!???

i like your reasoning.





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Yorke - Definitely yes...

Hughes - Close but I think Rooney would get the edge because hes more adaptable

Cantona - Very hard to call but week in week out Rooney is more influential and is so reliant on moments of brilliance.

Solskjaer - Not as prolific but far more valuable in terms of workrate and ability.

Cole - No brainer. You'd go for Rooney everytime

RVN - Ruud couldnt play alongside another striker. Rooney can. So Rooney is by far the better option...

So out of those 7 I would say Rooney would be a first choice over at least 5 of them.
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Old 7th February 2008, 14:47   #122 (permalink)
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you really are low on intelligence that you cannot understand my post - in my post i listed all the best strikers of the last decade etc If rooney is worldclass and one of the best where does he compare to our best??

Why is rooney better than Cole or Sheringham or Yorke. These guys were brilliant team-players and finishers.

Sheringham is a PFA player of the season winner and scorer in FA cup/ UEFA cup finals.
Cole has consistently scored goals for MU in his carrer and scored decisive goals that won EPLs. He has the most goals from open play in EPL history more than Shearer.
Yorke was class for Villa and MU and was a ace finisher of all types of chances.


So what has rooney got on those legends of MU?? fuc*k all!
Thats the thing. They are legends, meaning that their Manchester United Careers are over. Rooney's career here still has a long way to go. Why dont you try judging him at the end as well?
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Old 7th February 2008, 14:53   #123 (permalink)
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so 'potential' makes rooney the best!???

i like your reasoning.
Where does it mention Rooneys potential ?

I said hes better than 5 of the players you mentioned, and if you think Sheringham, Cole and Yorke are United legends then you're a bigger idiot than I gave you credit for.
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Old 7th February 2008, 14:54   #124 (permalink)
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Thats the thing. They are legends, meaning that their Manchester United Careers are over. Rooney's career here still has a long way to go. Why dont you try judging him at the end as well?
Yorke, Cole and Sheringham are not legends.. No where even close.

Ruud is debateable. Some would say yes, some would say no.

But out of that list of 7 theres only three I would say are even close to being classed as legends, and thats Hughes, Cantona and Ole, and Rooney is better than at least 2 of them.....
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Old 7th February 2008, 15:02   #125 (permalink)
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Ok, we get it Mithun.

Ive just been looking at your history of posts. You hate Wayne Rooney with a passion, admit it. You also want to bum Joe Cole which is quite disturbing.
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Old 7th February 2008, 15:50   #126 (permalink)
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RvN class, the best of his generation

Rooney - one of the most over-hyped players! His development compared to CR7 is a joke despite him being billed better by fans!

I think somebody needs to re-check your meds.
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exactly and to the point. Do these clowns really think RvN, Van Persie, Adebayor, Drogba, Anelka, Tevez, Torres, Zlatan, Julio Cruz, Trez, Del Piero, Totti, Nihat, Makaay, Podolski, Klose etc etc would miss these chances that rooney typically misses????

He is not a good finisher - and often his shots are not even on target!
But it's all allright- as rooney runs around for the good of the team!!!!!

That's what LFC fans say to defend Kuyt!???

Rooney is judged on goals/ assists/ and providing attacking thrusts - everything else is secondary or immaterial.
Don't you fucking dare mention Kuyt in the same breath as Wayne Rooney.
Kuyt isn't good enough to even lace Rooney's boots.
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i love wayne for what he brings to a game but he's loosing his touch, literally.
you're an idiot.
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Old 7th February 2008, 16:04   #129 (permalink)
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Great player. But his shots are not as good as they used to be and neither is his touch imo.
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Old 7th February 2008, 16:18   #130 (permalink)
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Rooney imho when he is on form is one of the best players in the world bar none, yes even better than ronaldo. But the last few seasons he hasn't been allowed to shine because he has not been allowed to play in his best position, that is in the whole. He did to a certain degree last season but he was often switched around ( i.e. played on the left right etc) and yet he managed to score 20+ goals and contribute a fair amount of assists. He is getting accustomed to playing in that main strikers role, before his second injury he was showing flashes of what was to come but many people seem to have forgotten that. Thank God that Ronaldo has been absolutely a rock when it comes to injuries but rooney has not been that fortunate, and each time its a serious injury that is difficult to come back from. He just needs the time and he will be back to player we know he is capable of becoming.
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Old 7th February 2008, 16:33   #131 (permalink)
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i agree he's the best player in the world just now, and arguably last season too. Ill tell you why he isnt world class tho, much the same as my last post he needs to perform when it matters. Thats why kaka won the award and contrary to popular belief not because he's brazilian or playing in italian league.
How on fuckign earth do you manage to contradict yourself that much? The best on the world for two years but not world class? Does that make any sense to anyone?
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Mithun, Shut Up You Muppet!

Rooney is pure class. He is just desperate for a goal right now and its definitely affecting him mentally. Just about everything else he is doing is fine. He is working so damn hard for the team to create chances, track back and defend. Although things are not going his way at the moment, He Never Hides! Always willing to take a chance or try something special no matter the outcome.
I have no doubt he will be back among the goals again to make fools like you look stupid. Just have some faith you cretin.
To be fair, you could say each of those words regarding Kuyt.
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Old 7th February 2008, 16:38   #133 (permalink)
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the only united player im comfortable with calling world class right now is Ferdinand btw i expect that to change in a couple of years and add Anderson, Ronaldo and Rooney to that.
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Rooney's wonderful first touch flicked the ball on to Gerrard's run which ended in an easy cross and easy finish by SWP.

Rooney's imagination and skill produced the goal. The goal won the game and saved England from an embarassing draw.

And yet because Rooney only created the goal instead of scoring it himself he continues to get slated.

Rooney was the best player on the pitch with the possible exception of David Bentley. A few times Rooney looked like scoring when he had only the narrowest of opportunities.

What matters is the TEAM, and both United and England win games when Rooney is playing whether he is the one who actually scores or not.
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The funny thing about this thread is, that besides calling Mithun a spastic, nobody is offering any well constructed arguments to prove him wrong.
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Old 7th February 2008, 16:45   #136 (permalink)
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Maradona said he was better than Kaka. Kind of ridicoulous but I think Rooney reminds Diego of himself - an amazing mix of skill,power and passion. Put it this way - if Ronny had Rooney's passion and workrate he would score at least twice a game and would be regarded as better than Pele.

The bottom line is that Rooney is World Class, no doubt about it. But he gets frustrated when he doesnt score and then starts trying to hard to find the back of the net. I also think ronaldo's scoring form is making Rooney put more pressure on himself to bang them in. When you think like that you wont score. He needs a tap in or an easy goal, then he will score at will. People are forgetting that besides his finishing , he has been bloody fantastic this year. Injuries ruinied his amazing form earlier in the year when I thought that he was playing better than Ronny.
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Rooney's wonderful first touch flicked the ball on to Gerrard's run which ended in an easy cross and easy finish by SWP.

Rooney's imagination and skill produced the goal. The goal won the game and saved England from an embarassing draw.

And yet because Rooney only created the goal instead of scoring it himself he continues to get slated.

Rooney was the best player on the pitch with the possible exception of David Bentley. A few times Rooney looked like scoring when he had only the narrowest of opportunities.

What matters is the TEAM, and both United and England win games when Rooney is playing whether he is the one who actually scores or not.
Of the top of my head, I remember we only managed a draw with Rooney last week, England did fuck all with Rooney against Russia and there are a zillion other examples to prove what you said is bollocks.

I still cannot understand how some self-proclaimed United fans can hate Rooney with a passion though.
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RVN - Ruud couldnt play alongside another striker. Rooney can. So Rooney is by far the better option...
Yeah but Rooney can't play without another striker, no?
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Maradona said he was better than Kaka. Kind of ridicoulous but I think Rooney reminds Diego of himself - an amazing mix of skill,power and passion. Put it this way - if Ronny had Rooney's passion and workrate he would score at least twice a game and would be regarded as better than Pele.

The bottom line is that Rooney is World Class, no doubt about it. But he gets frustrated when he doesnt score and then starts trying to hard to find the back of the net. I also think ronaldo's scoring form is making Rooney put more pressure on himself to bang them in. When you think like that you wont score. He needs a tap in or an easy goal, then he will score at will. People are forgetting that besides his finishing , he has been bloody fantastic this year. Injuries ruinied his amazing form earlier in the year when I thought that he was playing better than Ronny.
But he already does score almost twice a game. From the wing that. And running around like a headless chicken does not translate to passion and workrate. Ronaldo know his job and his job is to get the ball and create. He's even tracking back now. I can't believe some of the utter bollocks spouted in here.
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Put it this way - if Ronny had Rooney's passion and workrate he would score at least twice a game and would be regarded as better than Pele.
Would also like to add that if Ronaldo was doing that, he'd probably be chasing fullbacks instead of putting it in the back of the net which is counter productive.
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Old 7th February 2008, 16:50   #141 (permalink)
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The funny thing about this thread is, that besides calling Mithun a spastic, nobody is offering any well constructed arguments to prove him wrong.
Mithun has still not presented a well constructed argument. Until he does so, he will continue to get responses on the same level as his nonsense.
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Mithun - You are a complete grade A toss pot, why are you metaphorically licking Joe Cole's balls so much?, Correct me if i'm wrong but this thread is about one player Wayne Rooney (or as you would like to call him

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So ronoey is knackered and its ok to lose the ball clumsily with a joke step-over outside the box with a goal chance on?

Rooney must be unfit - if he is knackered - as i've seen winger's i.e. Ronaldo - ride 3-4 challenges and line up powerful shots without any problems!

I am real glad MU have class match-winners so they can carry Rooney when he messes up for MU!
Now i may not be the sharpest knife in the draw but i can follow the rules of a thread, can you?
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Mithun - You are a complete grade A toss pot, why are you metaphorically licking Joe Cole's balls so much?, Correct me if i'm wrong but this thread is about one player Wayne Rooney (or as you would like to call him



Now i may not be the sharpest knife in the draw but i can follow the rules of a thread, can you?
The worst kind of poster is the one whose only contribution is pointing out the odd typo.
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Old 7th February 2008, 16:59   #144 (permalink)
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The worst kind of poster is the one whose only contribution is pointing out the odd typo.
I know Rooney isnt at his best right now in terms of goalscoring. But I still recognise the class he has inside him. Form is temporary, class is permanent.

DiaboliQue, Dont become like Mithun who is bitter and probably mentally retarded.
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The worst kind of poster is the one whose only contribution is pointing out the odd typo.
You obviously didn't read my post for what it was. I was defending Sam's thread and backing him in the removal of someone who was asked to leave. This thread was about Rooney, not Joe cole.

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Of the top of my head, I remember we only managed a draw with Rooney last week, England did fuck all with Rooney against Russia and there are a zillion other examples to prove what you said is bollocks.

I still cannot understand how some self-proclaimed United fans can hate Rooney with a passion though.
So Rooney is to blame every time the team doesn't win? Why is it impossible to recognize how well he played in the England-Switzerland game despite not scoring?

There are a zillion examples of Rooney helping his team score goals without scoring them himself. Besides, he is on pace for another 20-goal season in all competitions. This season is going to be just as productive as his last two were, mark my words and we can see the evidence by the end of the season.

I guess we want him to improve like Cristiano and have Ruud-like seasons of 30 goals, but to talk as if failing to meet that standard is equivalent to being a bad goalscorer or to struggling with poor form is absolute bollocks, end of.
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i agree he's the best player in the world just now, and arguably last season too. Ill tell you why he isnt world class tho, much the same as my last post he needs to perform when it matters. Thats why kaka won the award and contrary to popular belief not because he's brazilian or playing in italian league.
That's one of the silliest things I've ever read. If I was you, and I'm fucking glad I'm not, I'd really consider revising your definition of world class.
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you really are low on intelligence that you cannot understand my post - in my post i listed all the best strikers of the last decade etc If rooney is worldclass and one of the best where does he compare to our best??

Why is rooney better than Cole or Sheringham or Yorke. These guys were brilliant team-players and finishers.

Sheringham is a PFA player of the season winner and scorer in FA cup/ UEFA cup finals.
Cole has consistently scored goals for MU in his carrer and scored decisive goals that won EPLs. He has the most goals from open play in EPL history more than Shearer.
Yorke was class for Villa and MU and was a ace finisher of all types of chances.


So what has rooney got on those legends of MU?? fuc*k all!
If you seriously think that Yorke, Cole and Sheringham are United legends, then you are sadly mistaken.

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The funny thing about this thread is, that besides calling Mithun a spastic, nobody is offering any well constructed arguments to prove him wrong.
Because if your so fucking retarded to see what a fantastic player Rooney is, then I'm sorry, you don't deserve to be responded to with reasonable, constructive, arguments. If you throw shit, expect to have it thrown back at you.
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If rooney was class and proven - why can no one offer concrete examples of consistent performance?!

The argument is apparently in the last 3-4 years -Rooney has proved himself. Yet he failed to score for England or MU in the CL for approximately 3 years plus.That is a joke! Especially as England played some real weak sides i.e Estonia, Andorra etc. Even Ben Haim kept Rooney quiet in Israel - this is the guy that Torres destroyed effortlessly?! Rooney hardly has set the EPL alight and every season goes through several bad spells of not scoring, and also getting injured.

Now if i believe correctly rooney is regarded or is better than some of our ex strikers as he's more dynamic and creative and the clinching argument is that as he runs aroun this makes his special!!
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How on fuckign earth do you manage to contradict yourself that much? The best on the world for two years but not world class? Does that make any sense to anyone?
It helps if you suffer from a psychotic illness.
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Put it this way - if Ronny had Rooney's passion and workrate he would score at least twice a game and would be regarded as better than Pele.


redcanuck - ronaldo has superb mentality. As SAF has commented the hatchet men cannot keep CR7 down or intimidate him. His mental strength is amazing to go no dribbles and deal with tackles.

Ronaldo is playing more and more intelligently for MU- he is looking to score goals and is doing this by his style. Compare this to the aggression of rooney - it's not working for him as a striker!
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Put it this way - if Ronny had Rooney's passion and workrate he would score at least twice a game and would be regarded as better than Pele.


redcanuck - ronaldo has superb mentality. As SAF has commented the hatchet men cannot keep CR7 down or intimidate him. His mental strength is amazing to go no dribbles and deal with tackles.

Ronaldo is playing more and more intelligently for MU- he is looking to score goals and is doing this by his style. Compare this to the aggression of rooney - it's not working for him as a striker!
Fucking hell, you just go from one retarded comment to another.

I bet you've never even seen Pele play.
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If rooney was class and proven - why can no one offer concrete examples of consistent performance?!
The argument is apparently in the last 3-4 years -Rooney has proved himself. Yet he failed to score for England or MU in the CL for approximately 3 years plus.That is a joke! Especially as England played some real weak sides i.e Estonia, Andorra etc. Even Ben Haim kept Rooney quiet in Israel - this is the guy that Torres destroyed effortlessly?! Rooney hardly has set the EPL alight and every season goes through several bad spells of not scoring, and also getting injured.

Now if i believe correctly rooney is regarded or is better than some of our ex strikers as he's more dynamic and creative and the clinching argument is that as he runs aroun this makes his special!!
Time to own up. Whoever was responsible for promoting this guy should hang their head in shame.

This argument right here is so full of holes, it is leaking bullshit. I will just say that you clearly were not watching the first half of this season or any season since he played for Everton. Epic Fail...
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Time to own up. Whoever was responsible for promoting this guy should hang their head in shame.

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Fucking hell, you just go from one retarded comment to another.

I bet you've never even seen Pele play.
I thought that was a statement he was quoting, in fairness.
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Rooney isn't the white pele for no reason you know..
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Fucking hell, you just go from one retarded comment to another.

I bet you've never even seen Pele play.
Actually you're the retard this time around. He was just quoting some previouos spastic who posted that bollocking statement.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce you to Wayne Rooney...
  • Was the youngest ever goalscorer in the Premiership
  • Was the youngest ever player to play for England
  • Last minute wonder goal to end Arsenal's unbeaten record
  • A fantastic Euro 2004, where he finished joint second top goal scorer, became the youngest player ever to score in the European Championships and carried England through the tournament.
  • At the age of 17, becomes the BBC Sports Young Personality of the Year.
  • Scores a debut hat-trick and gets one assist for Manchester United against Fenerbahçe.
  • By the end of his first season at United, he had amassed 17 goals.
  • Outplays Arsenal in the FA cup Final, hitting the post twice, only for Arsenal to steal the win on penalties
  • Named 2004/05, PFA Young Player of the Year.
  • Gets the winner infront of the KOP in a 1-0 win over Liverpool
  • Scores the goal of the season against Newcastle with a wonder volley into the to corner. Infact, it's probably one of the best goals ever scored.
  • Scored 2 goals and got MOTM in the league Cup final vs Wigan
  • By the end of the 2005/06 season, he had scored 19 goals.
  • It was this contribution that saw him named both Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year by fans and PFA Young Player of the year (again) by his fellow professionals.
  • Became Manchester United's youngest ever captain when captaining the team in last years CL
  • Scores a hat-trick vs Bolton at the Reebok Stadium
  • Comes on as a sub and scores two goals against Pompey,one of which was a 25-yard wonder goal
  • Scores 2 in a 4-0 win over Bolton
  • Scores the 3rd and is instrumental in a 4-2 win over his former club, Everton, in a must win match for United.
  • Scores against Roma away in the CL Quarter Final to earn United a priceless away goal
  • Scores a last minute winner against Milan in the CL 1st leg Semi Final at Old Trafford to add to the goal he had scored earlier on in the match
  • By the end of United Premiership winning season, Rooney is joint top scorer, along with a certain Cristiano Ronaldo, with 23 goals in all competitions.
  • Sir Alex Ferguson describes Wayne Rooney as, and I quote, 'the best young player I have seen in my time'.
  • Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure Sir Bobby Charlton once said that the only player that has EVER reminded him of Duncan Edwards, is Wayne Rooney.
  • Has 70 goals in 170 matches for Manchester United, which works out at a goal every 2.4 matches, not bad for a player who can't finish, eh ?

If anyone has anything else to add, which I'm sure you will, given I can't remember everything the boy has done in his career, feel free to add to the list.
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Old 7th February 2008, 18:38   #159 (permalink)
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exactly and to the point. Do these clowns really think RvN, Van Persie, Adebayor, Drogba, Anelka, Tevez, Torres, Zlatan, Julio Cruz, Trez, Del Piero, Totti, Nihat, Makaay, Podolski, Klose etc etc would miss these chances that rooney typically misses????
It's very interesting to note that out of that list of 16 players, only 6 have a better goal to game ratio than Wayne Rooney, which is a goal every 2.4 games. Those players are:

Makkay - 2
Klose- 2
RVN- 1.6
Trez - 1.8
Ibrahimovic - 2.3
Tevez - 2.3

The rest have either the same, or a worse goal to game ratio:

Totti - 2.4
Nihat - 2.8
Podolski - 2.4
Del Piero - 2.4
Julio Cruz - 2.5
Anelka - 2.8
Torres - 2.5
Van Persie - 3.5
Adebayor - 2.9
Drogba - 2.5

That kind of dismisses your theory that the above players wouldn't miss the easy chances that Rooney does, don't ya think ?
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