The Wayne Rooney is World Class Thread

Cheesy · 8th February 2012, 17:15

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Originally Posted by RedDevilCanuck

I think Rooney was at his all time best this time last year.

Watching Rooney, Giggs, Valencia, and Hernendez rip Chelsea apart 3 times was pretty amazing to watch.

I'd have to agree with you on that actually. He was a joy to watch then. He completely changed his game and performed when under a lot of pressure from our fans and the media, after everything that had gone on earlier in that season. Hernandez and him were the perfect partnership as well. Hopefully that Chelsea game was a sign that we'll see more of them together again.

Brwned · 8th February 2012, 17:45

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Originally Posted by Brosstan

It doesnt prevent him from scoring but it makes it unlikely that he will hit the 30 goals per season heights of 09/10 that he will need to become all time top scorer at United.

a) that's not really true, all he needs is 4 seasons of 20-goal seasons to be top scorer as pointed out, which'll make all of the discussion about whether he's 'world class' look all the more laughable with hindsight. The club's all-time top goalscorer, while playing in one of the most successful period's of the club's history, with Manchester United being undeniably one of the biggest clubs in the world...and he's maybe 'world class'? Hah.

b) if he continues his scoring rate he's on course for close to a 30 goal season, he's on 19 now and he scored 11 goals from this point onwards in the season last year, playing in the exact same position, so it can't be that unlikely.

wr8_utd · 8th February 2012, 19:02

It's amazing how so much of our attacking play goes through Rooney.

wr8_utd · 8th February 2012, 19:03

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Originally Posted by Brwned

a) that's not really true, all he needs is 4 seasons of 20-goal seasons to be top scorer as pointed out, which'll make all of the discussion about whether he's 'world class' look all the more laughable with hindsight. The club's all-time top goalscorer, while playing in one of the most successful period's of the club's history, with Manchester United being undeniably one of the biggest clubs in the world...and he's maybe 'world class'? Hah.

b) if he continues his scoring rate he's on course for close to a 30 goal season, he's on 19 now and he scored 11 goals from this point onwards in the season last year, playing in the exact same position, so it can't be that unlikely.

Couldn't agree more. It's laughable that there's anything to even debate about with regard to him being world class.

Gazza · 8th February 2012, 19:05

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Originally Posted by wr8_utd

Couldn't agree more. It's laughable that there's anything to even debate about with regard to him being world class.

Well, as much as what Brwned said is true, it's also true Wayne Rooney has not had an impact on a Champions League campaign befitting a player of world class status.

MacMUFC · 8th February 2012, 19:07

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Originally Posted by wr8_utd

Couldn't agree more. It's laughable that there's anything to even debate about with regard to him being world class.

Who's said he isn't world class? I'm thinking its paranoia of your beloved Wayney poo that leads you to think there's any 'debate' surrounding his status as a world class forward.

wr8_utd · 8th February 2012, 19:13

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Originally Posted by MacMUFC

Who's said he isn't world class? I'm thinking its paranoia of your beloved Wayney poo that leads you to think there's any 'debate' surrounding his status as a world class forward.

There are often debates on here about the validity of calling Rooney world class due to his "inconsistencies" actually.

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Originally Posted by Gazza

Well, as much as what Brwned said is true, it's also true Wayne Rooney has not had an impact on a Champions League campaign befitting a player of world class status.

Infact I think Rooney's had quite an impact in our CL campaigns. He's scored so many crucial goals in knockout ties for us and more so than Ronaldo if I'm not wrong.

In Moscow and Rome he didn't do much but that was largely due to tactics and the position on the pitch that he was played in. At Wembley he was probably our best player and scored our only goal so yes I don't think he's done badly for us in our CL campaigns. He scores a lot of important goals in the knockout rounds for us.

RedDevilCanuck · 8th February 2012, 19:20

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Originally Posted by Gazza

Well, as much as what Brwned said is true, it's also true Wayne Rooney has not had an impact on a Champions League campaign befitting a player of world class status.

Look at Rooney's recent scoring record in the knock-out stages. They are very good.

Rooney has put in multiple fantastic performances against AC Milan. He has also helped destroy Arsenal and Chelsea.

He also scored in the CL final and was our only player who looked like he was able to play with the Spanish boys.

Rooney has been great in the CL for the last few years.

Plan M · 8th February 2012, 19:22

Rooney is world class when he feels like being world class.

And at other times he runs around the pitch looking like a Championship striker.

I'd still take £50 mill for him without even thinking about it if a Real Madrid or Barcelona came knocking on Fergie's door.

The White Pele · 8th February 2012, 19:25

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Originally Posted by Gazza

Well, as much as what Brwned said is true, it's also true Wayne Rooney has not had an impact on a Champions League campaign befitting a player of world class status.

I think that's a tad harsh. He may not have been the best player in the Champions League in any given season but he's been consistently productive in the knockout stages of the competition. Since scoring against Roma in 2007 to end his European drought he has scored 14 in 24 starts in knockout ties, scoring in a final, and a couple of semi-finals. Ronaldo has managed 13 in the same time period although probably from less starts.

Rooney may have left a giant footprint on the competition in 2010 had he not got injured. 4 goals against Milan, followed by the opener against Bayern. You have to feel we would have got past Bayern if Rooney was 100% considering the form he was in, and with Inter putting Barca out it is possible United and Rooney could have been successful.

RedDevilCanuck · 8th February 2012, 19:25

Other inconsistent strikers out there: Drogba, Torres, Ibrahimovich, Berbatov, Benzema, Saha, Anelka, Suarez, Adebayor.

Rooney's goal droughts are annoying but most top strikers go on barren runs. It's really annoying with Rooney because when he is on a good scoring spree it looks like he can literally bag a hattrick in every game.

Giggzinho · 8th February 2012, 19:34

lets take ibrahimovic in his last 3 seasons in the league(inter, barca, ac):
08/09 - 35 starts 25 goals 7 assists
09/10 - 23 starts 16 goals 7 assists
10/11 - 29 starts 14 goals 11 assists

thats a pretty good return i think we'd all agree

rooneys last 3 seasons in the league -
08/09 - 25 starts 12 goals 7 assists
09/10 - 35 starts 26 goals 3 assists
10/11 - 25 starts 11 goals 11 assists

contributing more or less a goal in every game he plays, fantastic record really

Zen · 8th February 2012, 19:41

With Villa injured.....I think he'll have the longest 15+ goals a season streak going out of all the top players. With assists, he's been involved in 25 goals directly in 8 consecutive seasons.

Brwned · 8th February 2012, 19:56

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Originally Posted by Gazza

Well, as much as what Brwned said is true, it's also true Wayne Rooney has not had an impact on a Champions League campaign befitting a player of world class status.

Overall in the CL knockout stages Rooney's got 14 in 27 starts, Ronaldo 14 in 28, Messi 18 in 29 - he can't have been that bad. Rooney last year was the key player in the knockouts and took apart teams in the quarter finals and semis as well as scoring a very nice equaliser. Also scored against Milan twice on three occasions, two of which in 09/10 when he also opened the scoring against Bayern before the injury...I know what you mean though, it's all a case of what if really. It's not every year you come up against a side as strong as Barcelona, what if it was any other team? He might well have been the driving force in the CL final just as he was in the rest of the knockout stages last year. What if he didn't get that injury against Bayern?

He's had a number of standout performances but it's true to an extent, he's never had a Champions League performance that's let everyone know he is one of the best players around. Even Gerrard's had that. Still, he's clearly a top player.

wr8_utd · 8th February 2012, 19:56

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Originally Posted by Plan M

Rooney is world class when he feels like being world class.

And at other times he runs around the pitch looking like a Championship striker.

I'd still take £50 mill for him without even thinking about it if a Real Madrid or Barcelona came knocking on Fergie's door.

Even when not in form , Rooney contributes in many ways to our play.

ricky-romeo · 9th February 2012, 01:56

rooney's form come in patches but he is a world class footballer. no doubt we are much a better team when rooney is on song.

we are spoilt by the brilliance of messi and ronaldo these days, because both of them are averaging almost 1 goal every 1 game. other top strikers are just like rooney in terms of consistency with their goalscoring form.

great to know he has a decent goalscoring record in the knock out stages of the champions league, and yes he has scored and performed well against european football giants over the years.

i also believe he is top of the premiership's list of goals and assists combined over the last 5 or 6 years, if i'm not mistaken.

Gazza · 9th February 2012, 04:18

I didn't mean to be harsh on Rooney, just adding some balance to it - I don't think it's laughable to question whether Rooney is world class. I would say he's had some world class performances in the Champions League, and his goal record is good, but for a world class player he hasn't had a consistent CL campaign, performance wise. I may have been harsh in my initial post though, granted.

Snow · 9th February 2012, 04:53

The thing about Rooney is that we all feel that he should be better. It's irritating when the head screws with the talent. His worst enemy is himself.

Laphroaig · 9th February 2012, 05:07

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Originally Posted by wr8_utd

There are often debates on here about the validity of calling Rooney world class due to his "inconsistencies" actually.

Yes, "" because they aren't real. Rooboy is a real consistent performer!

Rooney could be up there with Messi and Ronaldo. His all too common and all too prolonged spells of lack of form sets him apart from them. It's frustrating because it's hard to see any reason why he shouldn't be up there with them. (Except, of course, professionalism and mental strength.)

CR#7 · 9th February 2012, 05:26

to the lad saying take the 50m pound for him? fuck off come on who would we replace him with? Rooney is a one of a kind striker/workhorse he scores big goals in big games and sets up goals take that 50m shove it up ** arse.

Varun_Utd · 9th February 2012, 05:44

Messi and Ronaldo have really twisted what people expect of their players. If Rooney isnt world class, few are. Laughable to even debate it imo.

Neutral · 9th February 2012, 06:11

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Originally Posted by Varun_Utd

Messi and Ronaldo have really twisted what people expect of their players. If Rooney isnt world class, few are. Laughable to even debate it imo.

Yup - oh Rooney doesn't stand up statistically or aesthetically to two of the top players of this generation, so he mustn't be World Class.

Art · 9th February 2012, 06:40

You immediately have posters bringing up the likes of Drogba and Villa and Ibrahimovic as better players than Wayne. Not many strikers can play the No.10 role like Rooney does. I just wish for one season we didn't play with Rooney but someone like David Villa. Would really show what Rooney is to our team and how vital he is. A fucking injury hits us, SAF asks Wayne to play Left wing. He does it. He asks him to play CM he does it and plenty a time you see him defending on his D-line. I think people will really realize what kind of a player Rooney really is if he leaves ( next couple of years-hope not).

cj4_elmo · 9th February 2012, 06:52

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Originally Posted by Varun_Utd

Messi and Ronaldo have really twisted what people expect of their players. If Rooney isnt world class, few are. Laughable to even debate it imo.

This. Those two have really spoilt how football fans view the sports. Now any game without a goal/assist is a poor one.

unitedbhoy · 9th February 2012, 12:18

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Originally Posted by Plan M

Rooney is world class when he feels like being world class.

And at other times he runs around the pitch looking like a Championship striker.

I'd still take £50 mill for him without even thinking about it if a Real Madrid or Barcelona came knocking on Fergie's door.

I think that's the problem.

Black Adder · 9th February 2012, 12:54

He's a world class player and there shouldn't be any debate about it.

People do mention his inconsistency when comes to scoring but that's just matter of position he's playing. No wonder his only great goalscoring season was 09/10 when he played centar forward with no defensive duties who's only task was to be in 16yards and wait for the ball. So he didn't drop to midfield for the ball, or covered wing(s) when one of winger would cut it, didn't look for the space to create for striker up-front as he was the main target for the other players and all he had to do was put the ball into the net. If we put him back into that position again he would score more on regular basis, but we would lose to much of his vision, creativity and passing then we would gain with his goals.

Rooney is unique striker in world football with to many great abilites and don't know any other striker that will chase full back to the goal line if needed just to cover for the ball. He takes all his defensive duties seriously, runs for the 90minutes, makes assist (direct assist or through vision that influence our overall attacking play) and scores goals with a little dip in that departmant sometims but still manages to have double figures every year. All of my friend consider him as brilliant player that would be automatic starter for every team in the world since his postional play is second to none. He played left winger during Ronaldo time here, CF position, behind the striker, and has some spells in midfield and what's common for all that is his 100% commitment in every position. Can't really ask for the more from him.

Randall Flagg · 9th February 2012, 13:28

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Originally Posted by Plan M

Rooney is world class when he feels like being world class.

And at other times he runs around the pitch looking like a Championship striker.

I'd still take £50 mill for him without even thinking about it if a Real Madrid or Barcelona came knocking on Fergie's door.

No chance would anyone want this to happen surely.

With that 50Mill assuming Fergie was given it all to spend, who would you bring in as a realistic replacement?

Brwned · 9th February 2012, 13:35

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Originally Posted by Black Adder

People do mention his inconsistency when comes to scoring but that's just matter of position he's playing.

Well this isn't true. Many forget Rooney had a run when he scored just 1 goal in 9 games in 09/10 - which is a longer run of scoring no more than a goal than he's had at any point this season. He's scored in 11 different games for us this year from 28 overall, he scored in 23 games from 44 overall in 09/10 - certainly a more consistent goalscorer but not by that huge an amount, he's just a pretty streaky goalscorer in general I think.

wr8_utd · 9th February 2012, 14:49

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Originally Posted by Randall Flagg

No chance would anyone want this to happen surely.

With that 50Mill assuming Fergie was given it all to spend, who would you bring in as a realistic replacement?

There's no one good enough. Rvp, Villa, Aguero and maybe Ibra are in the same league as Rooney and we wouldn't get any of them.

Jimy_Hills_Chin · 9th February 2012, 14:55

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Originally Posted by Gazza

Well, as much as what Brwned said is true, it's also true Wayne Rooney has not had an impact on a Champions League campaign befitting a player of world class status.

Aye, he has only been an integral part of a team that have won it once and been runners up twice in the past five years. I think you are talking about the kind of Champions League campaign that wins a player World Player of the year. In that case, no he hasn't hit those levels and as a result he has never appeared in the top three places for that particular award.

He has however, appeared in the World X1 this year, as voted for by 40000 professional footballers from around the world. If he is considered on of the best two forwards in the world by his peers then I guess that it is safe to say that he is 'World class'

kouroux · 9th February 2012, 15:38

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Originally Posted by cheesy

The post I quoted made it seem like Rooney could be put in any position whatsoever, and thrive as long as he tried his best, which isn't true.

He can play as a striker, but I feel that he adds so much more to the team when we play him in a deeper role. Back during that prolific season, I think he was still developing as a player. He wasn't as good as a playmaker then as he is now, and could play in either attacking position though. Since then though, he's improved his game in a deeper role.

By "wherever" I obviously either up top on "his own" or behind the main striker.Rooney as a CM or winger doesn't compute for me, it's a waste

kouroux · 9th February 2012, 15:40

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Originally Posted by Brosstan

It doesnt prevent him from scoring but it makes it unlikely that he will hit the 30 goals per season heights of 09/10 that he will need to become all time top scorer at United.

He is much more useful deep than up front anyway, and our whole attacking play benefits from him playing deep with Welbeck working the line ahead of him. Thats more important than Rooney's personal scoring record.

Why does he need to be the all time top scorer at United ? I think if he stays at United without being a consistent 30goal a season player, he will achieve it anyway.

Brosstan · 9th February 2012, 15:59

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Originally Posted by kouroux

Why does he need to be the all time top scorer at United ? I think if he stays at United without being a consistent 30goal a season player, he will achieve it anyway.

If you read my entire post its pretty clear that I dont think he needs to be. The best for the club is more important than his personal achievments.

amolbhatia100 · 9th February 2012, 16:12

World class is such a subjective term anyway rendering any conversation on it's basis completely useless.

Rooney's a class player. But I think he's still not reached his peak or fulfilled his potential. There are elements of his game that if you add to the player he is today and which were once part of his game, he'd be absolutely incredible.

Regarding the consistency levels, it depends what scale you're judging him by. If it's the likes of Henry when he dominated the league, then he falls well short. But compared to other top strikers today, not so much. But it is something to improve on. I don't see why Rooney shouldn't be aspiring to Henry's levels and settling for matching the likes of Ibrahimovic.

Cheesy · 9th February 2012, 16:28

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Originally Posted by Plan M

Rooney is world class when he feels like being world class.

And at other times he runs around the pitch looking like a Championship striker.

I'd still take £50 mill for him without even thinking about it if a Real Madrid or Barcelona came knocking on Fergie's door.

This does seem to be the unpopular opinion, but I have to be honest and admit that I'd take your side when it comes to this argument.

He is world class at times, however that other off form side to him is one that shows up too often. It's not as if it just appears the odd time. He sometimes goes through several month spells of not playing at his best, and we can't have that.

I'd bite the hand of anyone who offered us £50m for Rooney off. Some may disagree, but he is replaceable, and a sum such as the one mentioned would help us to replace him with a top forward.

RedLars · 9th February 2012, 19:09

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Originally Posted by cheesy

This does seem to be the unpopular opinion, but I have to be honest and admit that I'd take your side when it comes to this argument.

He is world class at times, however that other off form side to him is one that shows up too often. It's not as if it just appears the odd time. He sometimes goes through several month spells of not playing at his best, and we can't have that.

I'd bite the hand of anyone who offered us £50m for Rooney off. Some may disagree, but he is replaceable, and a sum such as the one mentioned would help us to replace him with a top forward.

Name some viable replacements that we could buy for less than £50m.

Feed Me · 9th February 2012, 19:15

I reckon Wayne, at his best, is a complete footballer and a 'world class' one - presumably this term just means amongst the world's elite?

But his 'bottom level', to nick a phrase from Schmikes, is much lower than many of the world's elite players.

And, as many have already said, his slumps can last for months.

What does all this mean? Fuck knows, but he's our best player and we're an infinitely better side when he plays well.

Cheesy · 9th February 2012, 19:22

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Originally Posted by RedLars

Name some viable replacements that we could buy for less than £50m.

There are questions as to whether some of these players would come, but £50m would allow us to certainly look at players like Villa, Van Persie or Gomez.

Feed Me · 9th February 2012, 19:23

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Originally Posted by cheesy

There are questions as to whether some of these players would come, but £50m would allow us to certainly look at players like Villa, Van Persie or Gomez.

None of those come anywhere close to replacing Rooney.

Wayne's a complete footballer. We'd be far poorer without him and with one of the aforementioned instead.

Cheesy · 9th February 2012, 19:24

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Originally Posted by Feed Me

None of those come anywhere close to replacing Rooney.

Wayne's a complete footballer. We'd be far poorer without him and with one of the aforementioned instead.

How would none of them come close to replacing him? Van Persie certainly could, as he's a lot more than just an out and out striker.

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8th February 2012, 19:02	#763 (permalink)
wr8_utd 1st wr8_muppetry Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 25,310	It's amazing how so much of our attacking play goes through Rooney.

8th February 2012, 19:22	#769 (permalink)
Plan M First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: ★ ★ ★ Posts: 10,062	Rooney is world class when he feels like being world class. And at other times he runs around the pitch looking like a Championship striker. I'd still take £50 mill for him without even thinking about it if a Real Madrid or Barcelona came knocking on Fergie's door.

8th February 2012, 19:25	#771 (permalink)
RedDevilCanuck Quite dreamy - blue eyes, blond hair, tanned skin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The GTA Posts: 3,185	Other inconsistent strikers out there: Drogba, Torres, Ibrahimovich, Berbatov, Benzema, Saha, Anelka, Suarez, Adebayor. Rooney's goal droughts are annoying but most top strikers go on barren runs. It's really annoying with Rooney because when he is on a good scoring spree it looks like he can literally bag a hattrick in every game.

8th February 2012, 19:34	#772 (permalink)
Giggzinho Fletcher's bitch Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,661	lets take ibrahimovic in his last 3 seasons in the league(inter, barca, ac): 08/09 - 35 starts 25 goals 7 assists 09/10 - 23 starts 16 goals 7 assists 10/11 - 29 starts 14 goals 11 assists thats a pretty good return i think we'd all agree rooneys last 3 seasons in the league - 08/09 - 25 starts 12 goals 7 assists 09/10 - 35 starts 26 goals 3 assists 10/11 - 25 starts 11 goals 11 assists contributing more or less a goal in every game he plays, fantastic record really

8th February 2012, 19:41	#773 (permalink)
Zen First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Prophetville! Posts: 6,383	With Villa injured.....I think he'll have the longest 15+ goals a season streak going out of all the top players. With assists, he's been involved in 25 goals directly in 8 consecutive seasons.

9th February 2012, 01:56	#776 (permalink)
ricky-romeo First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: kota bharu Posts: 6,075	rooney's form come in patches but he is a world class footballer. no doubt we are much a better team when rooney is on song. we are spoilt by the brilliance of messi and ronaldo these days, because both of them are averaging almost 1 goal every 1 game. other top strikers are just like rooney in terms of consistency with their goalscoring form. great to know he has a decent goalscoring record in the knock out stages of the champions league, and yes he has scored and performed well against european football giants over the years. i also believe he is top of the premiership's list of goals and assists combined over the last 5 or 6 years, if i'm not mistaken.

9th February 2012, 04:18	#777 (permalink)
Gazza Magic Carpet Pilot Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: "some place faaar away... yes, that'll do" Posts: 27,086	I didn't mean to be harsh on Rooney, just adding some balance to it - I don't think it's laughable to question whether Rooney is world class. I would say he's had some world class performances in the Champions League, and his goal record is good, but for a world class player he hasn't had a consistent CL campaign, performance wise. I may have been harsh in my initial post though, granted.

9th February 2012, 04:53	#778 (permalink)
Snow First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: I like turtles Posts: 12,316	The thing about Rooney is that we all feel that he should be better. It's irritating when the head screws with the talent. His worst enemy is himself.

9th February 2012, 05:26	#780 (permalink)
CR#7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,570	to the lad saying take the 50m pound for him? fuck off come on who would we replace him with? Rooney is a one of a kind striker/workhorse he scores big goals in big games and sets up goals take that 50m shove it up ** arse.

9th February 2012, 05:44	#781 (permalink)
Varun_Utd First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Villa Posts: 5,145	Messi and Ronaldo have really twisted what people expect of their players. If Rooney isnt world class, few are. Laughable to even debate it imo.

9th February 2012, 06:40	#783 (permalink)
Art Art the artist Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: The Cafcomics Studio. Posts: 3,232	You immediately have posters bringing up the likes of Drogba and Villa and Ibrahimovic as better players than Wayne. Not many strikers can play the No.10 role like Rooney does. I just wish for one season we didn't play with Rooney but someone like David Villa. Would really show what Rooney is to our team and how vital he is. A fucking injury hits us, SAF asks Wayne to play Left wing. He does it. He asks him to play CM he does it and plenty a time you see him defending on his D-line. I think people will really realize what kind of a player Rooney really is if he leaves ( next couple of years-hope not).

9th February 2012, 12:54	#786 (permalink)
Black Adder Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hrvatska Posts: 1,503	He's a world class player and there shouldn't be any debate about it. People do mention his inconsistency when comes to scoring but that's just matter of position he's playing. No wonder his only great goalscoring season was 09/10 when he played centar forward with no defensive duties who's only task was to be in 16yards and wait for the ball. So he didn't drop to midfield for the ball, or covered wing(s) when one of winger would cut it, didn't look for the space to create for striker up-front as he was the main target for the other players and all he had to do was put the ball into the net. If we put him back into that position again he would score more on regular basis, but we would lose to much of his vision, creativity and passing then we would gain with his goals. Rooney is unique striker in world football with to many great abilites and don't know any other striker that will chase full back to the goal line if needed just to cover for the ball. He takes all his defensive duties seriously, runs for the 90minutes, makes assist (direct assist or through vision that influence our overall attacking play) and scores goals with a little dip in that departmant sometims but still manages to have double figures every year. All of my friend consider him as brilliant player that would be automatic starter for every team in the world since his postional play is second to none. He played left winger during Ronaldo time here, CF position, behind the striker, and has some spells in midfield and what's common for all that is his 100% commitment in every position. Can't really ask for the more from him.

9th February 2012, 16:12	#794 (permalink)
amolbhatia100 Has excellent taste in women Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: india Posts: 27,701	World class is such a subjective term anyway rendering any conversation on it's basis completely useless. Rooney's a class player. But I think he's still not reached his peak or fulfilled his potential. There are elements of his game that if you add to the player he is today and which were once part of his game, he'd be absolutely incredible. Regarding the consistency levels, it depends what scale you're judging him by. If it's the likes of Henry when he dominated the league, then he falls well short. But compared to other top strikers today, not so much. But it is something to improve on. I don't see why Rooney shouldn't be aspiring to Henry's levels and settling for matching the likes of Ibrahimovic.

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Feed Me I'm hungry Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Berbatov has Cantona’s knack of being the man amid a stampede towards the door who stops to notice a side exit that nobody else has seen. Posts: 19,732	I reckon Wayne, at his best, is a complete footballer and a 'world class' one - presumably this term just means amongst the world's elite? But his 'bottom level', to nick a phrase from Schmikes, is much lower than many of the world's elite players. And, as many have already said, his slumps can last for months. What does all this mean? Fuck knows, but he's our best player and we're an infinitely better side when he plays well.