[Sam]

Originally Posted by DiaboliQue

Actually you're the retard this time around. He was just quoting some previouos spastic who posted that bollocking statement.

Ok, my bad, but whoever posted it, is a retard, just like Mithun.

[LizardKing]

Rooney - braindead? Are you totally fucking stupid? He's one of the most intelligent players I've seen in the premiership.

[MUFCgal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S5k8-_Pnzk

No more need for words, just let this fucking video do the talking. This is Rooney at his PURE fucking best since he's joined us. Anybody who is doubting whether he's good enough to play for us, anybody who's questioning his talent or ability...........watch the video, then hang your heads in shame you sad, ungrateful dickheads.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by MUFCgal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S5k8-_Pnzk

No more need for words, just let this fucking video do the talking. This is Rooney at his PURE fucking best since he's joined us. Anybody who is doubting whether he's good enough to play for us, anybody who's questioning his talent or ability...........watch the video, then hang your heads in shame you sad, ungrateful dickheads.

I've taken the liberty of putting this into youtube tags, I hope you don't mind.

[MUFCgal]

Originally Posted by Sam#1

I've taken the liberty of putting this into youtube tags, I hope you don't mind.

No, thank you. I didn't actually know how you did that LOL. I totally agree with everything you've said in this thread. In a week when our club is mourning the 50th anniversary, when we lost some of the best young players the club had, some people have the absolute audacity to now question the ability and talent of one of our great young players of today, makes me sick to my stomach to be honest.

[Raven Blade]

Originally Posted by Sam#1

I've taken the liberty of putting this into youtube tags, I hope you don't mind.

Mithun, wherever you may be,
Here is the real Wayne Rooney

Enjoy

[LizardKing]

Die

[LizardKing]

Mithun, are you a United fan out of curiosity?

Sorry I meant MU

Spastic

[DaSPOT]

rooney the man scored 23 goals last year and had 10 plus assist ... and he was everybit as good as ronaldo last season...if he didnt get injured he would be atleast 5 or 6 goals behind ronaldo or even neck and neck with roonie.

[Pat_Mustard]

Originally Posted by Sam#1

It's very interesting to note that out of that list of 16 players, only 6 have a better goal to game ratio than Wayne Rooney, which is a goal every 2.4 games. Those players are:

Makkay - 2
Klose- 2
RVN- 1.6
Trez - 1.8
Ibrahimovic - 2.3
Tevez - 2.3

The rest have either the same, or a worse goal to game ratio:

Totti - 2.4
Nihat - 2.8
Podolski - 2.4
Del Piero - 2.4
Julio Cruz - 2.5
Anelka - 2.8
Torres - 2.5
Van Persie - 3.5
Adebayor - 2.9
Drogba - 2.5

That kind of dismisses your theory that the above players wouldn't miss the easy chances that Rooney does, don't ya think ?

Excellent post. Looking forward to laughing at whatever shower of shite Mithun posts in response to this.

[Raven Blade]

Originally Posted by DaSPOT

rooney the man scored 23 goals last year and had 10 plus assist ... and he was everybit as good as ronaldo last season...if he didnt get injured he would be atleast 5 or 6 goals behind ronaldo or even neck and neck with roonie.

Thats right. Some said Rooney had a below par season last year.

[air_mood]

Originally Posted by MUFCgal

I think somebody needs to re-check your meds.

Or maybe slip some rat poison into his stash.

[LizardKing]

Originally Posted by Mithun

YES - i hear what you say - Whilst rooney is good in linking play (obviously y'day he was rubbish!) Kanoute ALSO excels in linking well with his midfield. Kanoute is a better finisher and has a good left foot unlike rooney. He also can take pens expertly for Sevilla and not the joke 'Michael Owen' pens rooney has taken for MU!

Originally Posted by Mithun

doubt rooney will get that many goals as some people think so here. He is not a free scoring player, goes long spells without goals, has problems with form and is not a freekick/ penalty taker and i cannot see him getting many aerial goals as well.

Originally Posted by Mithun

what's with checking the MU all time scoring list in relation to rooney's total goals?


if rooney took penalties --he could easily add 30-50 pens over 10 years at OT.

Shearer scored 61 pens. If Andy Cole took pens he would be closer to Shearer.

That's my point ---i doubt rooney will score a 'high' number of goals --he does not take penalties and cannot see him banging goals like Rvn as he's not clinical nor is his positioning good at poaching goals in pen box.

Originally Posted by Mithun

If you think Wayne Rooney is a player that's been this good at a young age just because of his muscles... He's the best forward in the country and he's been so for the past 3 years.


Rooney has been nowhere near top of the goalscoring charts in any year. Nor is he prolific or uniquely creative. So how has he been the best. Henry has been the best. Rooney has too many serious goal droughts and at times never looks likely to score. His failure to score for MU may prove costly in the title race. Have you considered that yet?

Originally Posted by Mithun

Torres or Huntelaar will increase places upfront at MU. Then SAF will have to decide whether to play an off form rooney.

Originally Posted by Mithun

well reasoned. He is not a natural athelete and he has put on weight even now and lost some speed. SAF will have to monitor Rooney's physical side.

Originally Posted by Mithun

your name says it all. why then is players like RvP, Fabregas, CR7, all in excellent physical shape? But rooney has put on weight?

Why is the likes of Saha (28) Henry (29) Anelka (28) all in excellent physical condition? Why is Giggs still in good condition? He still has some of his pace at 33. This will not be the case for rooney.

Originally Posted by Mithun

yes that is jUST my point ---rooney is not thin-boned and HAS and will continue to have a weight problem. Got that di*ckhead!

Originally Posted by Mithun

rooney when he dribbles rarely blasts past players. Players can keep up with him and get in tackles.
And yes rooney all credit works hard for the team---but he needs to use his head and play his position better. He needs to operate in the opponents areas and look to score more or get to the end of chance s rather than wander around everywhere all the time. MU have a very strong defence and have a covering midfielder always.

Goals/ assists/ creativity is what rooney should be judged on more than running left right centre.

Originally Posted by Mithun

rooney is no natural playmaker. His passing or awareness is not developed to that level. His shooting was his main weapon and he seems to have lost all confidence to shoot.

Originally Posted by Mithun

Scholes has the best gameplay and awareness and decision-making at MU. His game flows easily and effectively.

Whilst rooney plays in the hole he is no playmaker. He is too wasteful and not creative enough. Last seaon rooney got the highest assists at MU approx 12-14 assists. Yet the likes of Saha/ Park got about 8 assists each---playing a fraction of the time. 12-14 assists is poor considering rooney plays for MU --and plays alot of defensively weak teams in the EPL i.e Sunderland, West Brom, Charlton, Boro etc
Given how everyone makes out his special talent he needs to produce more special moments more and consistently to justify thi acclaim.

Wow, and there's more in here: Rooney

Prize prick anyone?

[DaSPOT]

Originally Posted by raven_blade2002

Thats right. Some said Rooney had a below par season last year.

you know wat also is amazing he was so good in 05-06 he was our best player world class then and he still is world class now. when the lyon games come around bump this thread either in the CL or FA rooney is going to be above all the players on the pitch

[jojojo]

First an observation - Roo scored twice in January - Villa and Reading. If he's sometimes looking awkward in front of goal it's not the kind of problem that gets fixed by scoring a tap-in - he's done that! His form tends to be patchy - let's hope he hits a red hot patch at the right time. He'll probably get about twenty goals for the season -which is a good contribution and if they're in the right games (ie: when Ron can't score!) may turn out to be a critical one.

The biggest problem Rooney's got is the sheer weight of expectations. Where do you go after scoring a CL hat-trick on your debut? Unless you're going to hit a century a season, people will always be wondering if the reality matches the fantasy.

Personally I was glad when SAF came out and said they feel Rooney's working too hard and it's time for the midfield to be providing the workrate (and the occasional goal) and for Roo to get a chance to focus on playing up front.

[MUFCgal]

[QUOTE=jojojo;4162335]First an observation - Roo scored twice in January - Villa and Reading. If he's sometimes looking awkward in front of goal it's not the kind of problem that gets fixed by scoring a tap-in - he's done that! His form tends to be patchy - let's hope he hits a red hot patch at the right time. He'll probably get about twenty goals for the season -which is a good contribution and if they're in the right games (ie: when Ron can't score!) may turn out to be a critical one.

The biggest problem Rooney's got is the sheer weight of expectations. Where do you go after scoring a CL hat-trick on your debut? Unless you're going to hit a century a season, people will always be wondering if the reality matches the fantasy.

Personally I was glad when SAF came out and said they feel Rooney's working too hard and it's time for the midfield to be providing the workrate (and the occasional goal) and for Roo to get a chance to focus on playing up front.[/QUOTE]

Completely agree with this point. While it's good to see Wayne putting extra effort in and getting back in midfield to help out, the midfield really need to up their game and start providing Rooney with service rather than him needing to trek back and do it himself. If he stays up front, get's the right amount of service, then the goals will flow thick and fast, mark my words people.

[Sam]

Also, remember the Villa FA Cup match. It was 0-0, we were playing poorly and it was looking like going to a replay, then, on comes Wayne, takes the game by the scruff of the neck, scores a beautiful goal, and we go on to win 2-0.

[MagnificentDuke]

btw, totti is god

[AllhailManUtd]

Originally Posted by Mithun

If rooney was class and proven - why can no one offer concrete examples of consistent performance?!

The argument is apparently in the last 3-4 years -Rooney has proved himself. Yet he failed to score for England or MU in the CL for approximately 3 years plus.That is a joke! Especially as England played some real weak sides i.e Estonia, Andorra etc. Even Ben Haim kept Rooney quiet in Israel - this is the guy that Torres destroyed effortlessly?! Rooney hardly has set the EPL alight and every season goes through several bad spells of not scoring, and also getting injured.

Now if i believe correctly rooney is regarded or is better than some of our ex strikers as he's more dynamic and creative and the clinching argument is that as he runs aroun this makes his special!!

The period between his comeback from his first injury uptil his second injury he was playing some absolutely phenomenal stuff. Sometimes I get the feeling that rooney does himself no favours by rushing back from injury

[FlawlessThaw]

Rooney haters are even more despicable than Hargreaves haters.

[MUFCgal]

Originally Posted by Mithun

so ronoey is knackered and its ok to lose the ball clumsily with a joke step-over outside the box with a goal chance on?

Rooney must be unfit - if he is knackered - as i've seen winger's i.e. Ronaldo - ride 3-4 challenges and line up powerful shots without any problems!

I am real glad MU have class match-winners so they can carry Rooney when he messes up for MU!

I see you've referred to us as this term in quite a few of your posts, as a Manchester United supporter it's disgusting really to refer to our team like that, can you not just use the proper name of the club and stop abbrievating it.

[FlawlessThaw]

All this Rooney bashing is quite similar to the severe bashing that Ronaldo got a couple of years ago. I will defend Rooney in the same way as I defended Ronaldo by saying he is the second best player at our club and boy is he one heck of a player. Just needs to get stronger boots.

[AllhailManUtd]

Originally Posted by FlawlessThaw

All this Rooney bashing is quite similar to the severe bashing that Ronaldo got a couple of years ago. I will defend Rooney in the same way as I defended Ronaldo by saying he is the second best player at our club and boy is he one heck of a player. Just needs to get stronger boots.

Agreed, though when scholesy is on form I'd say hes one of our best. But no doubting rooneys class, if it werent for the serious injuries he has he would be unstoppable at this stage.

[Raven Blade]

I will defend Rooney as much as I need to because I know how good he is. Some people, like Mithun, have the memory of a goldfish and forget all the good he continues to do for our club. I wont be able to rest until I see his current goal drought end (which hasnt actually been that long) and will keep willing the ball into the net when he has a chance.

[MUFCgal]

Speaking of Mithun, he's getting all this venom directed his way and hasn't replied lately to it, where is he? Damn he must have crawled back up Joe Cole's arsehole.

[FlawlessThaw]

Originally Posted by AllhailManUtd

Agreed, though when scholesy is on form I'd say hes one of our best. But no doubting rooneys class, if it werent for the serious injuries he has he would be unstoppable at this stage.

Yeah I know what you mean about Scholes, he is a brilliant player. But I just feel we can cope when he isn't in the team and some muppets have even started saying he isn't necessary because of Anderson (those people are again muppets). However when Rooney is missing we're not the same team, just look at the stats 4 defeats this season all without our "Wazza". I fear for Sunday's game without him.

[FlawlessThaw]

Originally Posted by MUFCgal

Speaking of Mithun, he's getting all this venom directed his way and hasn't replied lately to it, where is he? Damn he must have crawled back up Joe Cole's arsehole.

Almost feel sorry for the poor lad. If I was him i would stay away, he's fighting a nonsensical battle.

[Mithun]

this analysis fails to include how many chances all the other players got in relation to thier goals in the games.

Also factor in that rooney plays for MU where chances are laid for him due to the strong support. What i'm saying and this is the argument that he is not 'clinical' - this is what we see in most of the games he does not score when he should! y'day he had 8 attempts on goal and 1 was on target.

For example Ibrahimovic in a defensive league may only get 1 chance in a game whereas rooney DOES gets several chances.

For this analysis to be valid one must factor in total shots to actual goals. I don't think this can be worked as no one has seen all these strikers. Perhaps a analysis can be done on a sample of players?

Originally Posted by Sam#1

It's very interesting to note that out of that list of 16 players, only 6 have a better goal to game ratio than Wayne Rooney, which is a goal every 2.4 games. Those players are:

Makkay - 2
Klose- 2
RVN- 1.6
Trez - 1.8
Ibrahimovic - 2.3
Tevez - 2.3

The rest have either the same, or a worse goal to game ratio:

Totti - 2.4
Nihat - 2.8
Podolski - 2.4
Del Piero - 2.4
Julio Cruz - 2.5
Anelka - 2.8
Torres - 2.5
Van Persie - 3.5
Adebayor - 2.9
Drogba - 2.5

That kind of dismisses your theory that the above players wouldn't miss the easy chances that Rooney does, don't ya think ?

[Mithun]

Joe Cole HAS been England best player in the last 17-18 months. He is very consistent. Rooney needs to score goals/ assists as that is his role. Forget everything else.

Originally Posted by MUFCgal

Speaking of Mithun, he's getting all this venom directed his way and hasn't replied lately to it, where is he? Damn he must have crawled back up Joe Cole's arsehole.

[Mithun]

wrong word, he drifts. SAF has told him to stay up and score goals!

Originally Posted by Lizard King

Rooney - braindead? Are you totally fucking stupid? He's one of the most intelligent players I've seen in the premiership.

[Mithun]

pretty consistent in my comments all along - i keep referring that he is not 'clinical'. Question is has he improved his finishing? Ronaldo certainly has, but has rooney? I don't think so!

Originally Posted by Lizard King

Wow, and there's more in here: Rooney

Prize prick anyone?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Mithun

this analysis fails to include how many chances all the other players got in relation to thier goals in the games.

That's a poor attempt at trying to worm your way out of this, and you know it. If anything, most of those players in your list will have had more chances as they play as they main striker, whereas Rooney, apart from occasions this season, has not.

Originally Posted by Mithun

Also factor in that rooney plays for MU where chances are laid for him due to the strong support.

Yes, because clubs like Inter, Arsenal, Chelsea, Real Madrid......don't have strong support

Originally Posted by Mithun

What i'm saying and this is the argument that he is not 'clinical' - this is what we see in most of the games he does not score when he should! y'day he had 8 attempts on goal and 1 was on target.

No, he's not the most clinical player in the world, but that's not the type of player he is! And anyway, as my stats prove, he is not as bad as you make out.

Originally Posted by Mithun

For example Ibrahimovic in a defensive league may only get 1 chance in a game whereas rooney DOES gets several chances.

Ibrahimovic does not just get 1 chance a match, and you know it. Stop talking bullshit!

[Sam]

By the way, Rooney has played 23 matches this season, and scored 10 goals. That's about a goal every other match, which is pretty fucking clinical for fully fit player, never mind a player who's season has been stop start due to injuries and isn't even a 'natural' goalscorer, like the likes of RVN or Ole Solskjaer.

[Mithun]

A few observations.

Vonlanthen is the youngest scorer for European Championships
Rooney was explosive and good in eu2004 but critically Croatia/ Switzerland were not the best sides.

Hat-trick vs Fenerbahce was great but again Fenerbahce were poor

Teddy Sheringham at 31, scored 17 goals for MU in 1997 - and Cole, Ole, RvN regularly scored this amount. The difference is likes of Cole, Ole, Teddy did not start every game the way rooney does - who therefore platyed more games.

In the FA cup - the TEAM outplay Arsenal, Ronaldo too excels its not a one man show!

His winner vs LFC is bundled in by Dudek!

His Newcastle goal is great! But Hamann scored a few like that for LFC and even won goal of season previously. There are players out there who can volley i.e. Scholes, RvP etc The question is why does rooney not power in these strikes?? He seems to miscue mostly!

Fairplay rooney does come alive in the run in and does contribute towards the EPL and CL. Note a strong finish does not mean he has been consistent over the season.

PS no mention of the long goal droughts for England, MU (CL) and also for long spells in EPL. I believe he did not score in 15 games upto the CC final of 2006! At present he's on 13 games and 3 goals.

PPS No mention rooney was poor in the wc2006 and did compromise England with a crazy redcard.

Rooney has failed to assist/ score sufficiently in the qualifiers for the eu2008.

Originally Posted by Sam#1

Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce you to Wayne Rooney...

• Was the youngest ever goalscorer in the Premiership
• Was the youngest ever player to play for England
• Last minute wonder goal to end Arsenal's unbeaten record
• A fantastic Euro 2004, where he finished joint second top goal scorer, became the youngest player ever to score in the European Championships and carried England through the tournament.
• At the age of 17, becomes the BBC Sports Young Personality of the Year.
• Scores a debut hat-trick and gets one assist for Manchester United against Fenerbahçe.
• By the end of his first season at United, he had amassed 17 goals.
• Outplays Arsenal in the FA cup Final, hitting the post twice, only for Arsenal to steal the win on penalties
• Named 2004/05, PFA Young Player of the Year.
• Gets the winner infront of the KOP in a 1-0 win over Liverpool
• Scores the goal of the season against Newcastle with a wonder volley into the to corner. Infact, it's probably one of the best goals ever scored.
• Scored 2 goals and got MOTM in the league Cup final vs Wigan
• By the end of the 2005/06 season, he had scored 19 goals.
• It was this contribution that saw him named both Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year by fans and PFA Young Player of the year (again) by his fellow professionals.
• Became Manchester United's youngest ever captain when captaining the team in last years CL
• Scores a hat-trick vs Bolton at the Reebok Stadium
• Comes on as a sub and scores two goals against Pompey,one of which was a 25-yard wonder goal
• Scores 2 in a 4-0 win over Bolton
• Scores the 3rd and is instrumental in a 4-2 win over his former club, Everton, in a must win match for United.
• Scores against Roma away in the CL Quarter Final to earn United a priceless away goal
• Scores a last minute winner against Milan in the CL 1st leg Semi Final at Old Trafford to add to the goal he had scored earlier on in the match
• By the end of United Premiership winning season, Rooney is joint top scorer, along with a certain Cristiano Ronaldo, with 23 goals in all competitions.
• Sir Alex Ferguson describes Wayne Rooney as, and I quote, 'the best young player I have seen in my time'.
• Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure Sir Bobby Charlton once said that the only player that has EVER reminded him of Duncan Edwards, is Wayne Rooney.
• Has 70 goals in 170 matches for Manchester United, which works out at a goal every 2.4 matches, not bad for a player who can't finish, eh ?

If anyone has anything else to add, which I'm sure you will, given I can't remember everything the boy has done in his career, feel free to add to the list.

[Mithun]

in this simple question don't you AGREE that rooney should get more goals with the chances he gets?? If yes - it means then he's not clinical!

Originally Posted by Sam#1

By the way, Rooney has played 23 matches this season, and scored 10 goals. That's about a goal every other match, which is pretty fucking clinical for fully fit player, never mind a player who's season has been stop start due to injuries and isn't even a 'natural' goalscorer, like the likes of RVN or Ole Solskjaer.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Mithun

A few observations.

Vonlanthen is the youngest scorer for European Championships
Rooney was explosive and good in eu2004 but critically Croatia/ Switzerland were not the best sides.

Hat-trick vs Fenerbahce was great but again Fenerbahce were poor

Teddy Sheringham at 31, scored 17 goals for MU in 1997 - and Cole, Ole, RvN regularly scored this amount. The difference is likes of Cole, Ole, Teddy did not start every game the way rooney does - who therefore platyed more games.

In the FA cup - the TEAM outplay Arsenal, Ronaldo too excels its not a one man show!

His winner vs LFC is bundled in by Dudek!

His Newcastle goal is great! But Hamann scored a few like that for LFC and even won goal of season previously. There are players out there who can volley i.e. Scholes, RvP etc The question is why does rooney not power in these strikes?? He seems to miscue mostly!

Fairplay rooney does come alive in the run in and does contribute towards the EPL and CL. Note a strong finish does not mean he has been consistent over the season.

PS no mention of the long goal droughts for England, MU (CL) and also for long spells in EPL. I believe he did not score in 15 games upto the CC final of 2006! At present he's on 13 games and 3 goals.

PPS No mention rooney was poor in the wc2006 and did compromise England with a crazy redcard.

Rooney has failed to assist/ score sufficiently in the qualifiers for the eu2008.

An excuse for every occasion, eh ?

Please save yourself some face and fuck off you stupid deluded fuckwit.

[ecantona7]

rooney was injured leading up to the world cup you fucking dumb twat and erickson still took him there.

[Mithun]

23 games, 10 goals out 57 chances. OK the last figure is fictional but seves my point.

Yes - his goals to game ratio is good. But he needs to be more clinical. Again i cite he needs to be clinical and not drift.

Originally Posted by Sam#1

By the way, Rooney has played 23 matches this season, and scored 10 goals. That's about a goal every other match, which is pretty fucking clinical for fully fit player, never mind a player who's season has been stop start due to injuries and isn't even a 'natural' goalscorer, like the likes of RVN or Ole Solskjaer.

[Mithun]

a reality check! as your analysis which i give credit was too subjective! And calm down in arguments -lets discuss it peacefully and with good banter. People like yourself should not resort to barking like dogs!

Originally Posted by Sam#1

An excuse for every occasion, eh ?

Please save yourself some face and fuck off you stupid deluded fuckwit.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Mithun

in this simple question don't you AGREE that rooney should get more goals with the chances he gets?? If yes - it means then he's not clinical!

Not really, I'm quite happy with his goal return, I'd take what he brings to the team and his goals over a player who just scores goals, but contributes nothing to the team.

As I say, 70 goals in 170 games is very good when you consider where on the pitch he has played the majority of those matches.

You seem to fail to understand that Wayne Rooney is not in the same mould as a player like RVN, he is in more of a Cantona mould, he doesn't just stand on the penalty spot waiting to poach a goal, he comes deep and helps dictate play and create chances for others. Incidentally, Cantona scored 64 goals in 144 matches for United, a pretty similar record to Rooney's wouldn't you say ?