We weren't THAT good

Interval Level · 9th November 2009, 10:25

I have been reading since yesterday about how we were the better side. Chelsea were lucky to win and we were unlucky not to get 3 points. Things like how we played like champions. Ref had a howler. ETC. And slowly this forum has disintegrated in to classless mudslinging.

For me,

Were we unlucky to come away with nothing?: Yes

Did the ref have a howler?: Yes. But not neccessarily for or against us.

Did we deserve 3 points?: NO. We opened them up quite a few times but apart from the Rooney effort, didn't trouble Cech

We did NOT score and luck had nothing to do with that.

All this talk about us being way better is rubbish. We were great yesterday and played much better than Chelsea but we hardly deserved a win. A draw would've been a fair result

And as a United fan, I'd be more worried about how we didn't score.

SecondFig · 9th November 2009, 10:28

Totally agree.

We played well and we were unlucky, but we were unlucky not to get a draw. We never looked like winning in my opinion, and I do worry about how toothless we look in some games.

Raees · 9th November 2009, 10:28

So you don't agree that was for the first time in ages a decent big match performance... how many times do we play ugly football in these sort of matches, get dominated in terms of possession and just look plain disjointed.

Yesterday we looked fluid, kept the ball for long spells and looked dangerous on the counter. Rooney had lots of support and the amount of open play chances that Chelsea had considering they were the home team was minimal.

We looked far the better team bar a 20 minute spell near the end of the first half.

The finishing touch will come, it's United when does it not.. but being able to hold our own and control proceedings for the most part was refreshing to see, we can take heart from it.

jdmufc · 9th November 2009, 10:31

yup, agreed.

we did look very solid, we just have very little invention, which i think will tell, come the end of the season.

Ixion · 9th November 2009, 10:33

A draw would have been fair, we didn't create enough chances to deserve the win. We were unlucky with the penalty decision but that was just down to Terry's stupidity.

Treble · 9th November 2009, 10:34

Was there a penalty against Valencia? If the answer is "Yes", then we deserved to win.

Both teams created only half-chances, our half-chances were probably more and a tad better but maybe I'm biased here.

Ekeke · 9th November 2009, 10:38

Agreed. A lopsided performance. Defensively and in terms of competing in the midfield we did play well. And that was probably enough to earn a draw, but nowhere near enough to earn a win. We were rubbish in attack and didnt come close to making things interesting for Cech.

Interval Level · 9th November 2009, 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raees

So you don't agree that was for the first time in ages a decent big match performance... how many times do we play ugly football in these sort of matches, get dominated in terms of possession and just look plain disjointed.

Yesterday we looked fluid, kept the ball for long spells and looked dangerous on the counter. Rooney had lots of support and the amount of open play chances that Chelsea had considering they were the home team was minimal.

We looked far the better team bar a 20 minute spell near the end of the first half.

The finishing touch will come, it's United when does it not.. but being able to hold our own and control proceedings for the most part was refreshing to see, we can take heart from it.

There is a difference between desrving a win and not get dominated. You're right that this is a great performance as compared to others aganst big teams in recent past, especially away. But I seriously can't recall any save that Cech had to make apart from the Rooney shot on basis of which I can say we deserved a win there.
We were very fluid in our movement, just the final ball/finish was missing

Quote:

Originally Posted by Treble

Was there a penalty against Valencia? If the answer is "Yes", then we deserved to win.

Both teams created only half-chances, our half-chances were probably more and a tad better but I'm probbaly biased here.

I thought the Valencia appeal was 50/50. And yes, both the teams created only half chances. Our movement was much better without the actual final product.

jdmufc · 9th November 2009, 10:40

we can take many positives from the match, but we have to take a long hard look at our play (or lack of it) in the final third of the pitch.

Interval Level · 9th November 2009, 10:43

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Originally Posted by jdmufc

we can take many positives from the match, but we have to take a long hard look at our play (or lack of it) in the final third of the pitch.

True that. I thought there were too many poor decisions in the final thrid. rooney could've passed to Anderson or Valencia in that particular move. Valencia, in one move, had O'Shea open to his right but took a shot. giggs in acres of space decided to float it up for Anderson instead of shooting. And probably a few more I can't recall.

Pogue Mahone · 9th November 2009, 10:46

We played better than Chelsea in Stamford Bridge and fully deserved a draw at least. We did this against Chelsea's strongest possible team, without our most expensive striker and our first-choice central defence. Neither side created much but we created more.

So yes, we really were THAT good.

Sarni · 9th November 2009, 10:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Treble

Was there a penalty against Valencia? If the answer is "Yes", then we deserved to win.

Both teams created only half-chances, our half-chances were probably more and a tad better but maybe I'm biased here.

We don't have to depend on penalties to win us games all the time. It feels like everytime we lose or draw we should have had a penalty. It's like that all the time, if our fans were referees we would have about 40 to 50 penalties every season.

Raees · 9th November 2009, 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interval Level

There is a difference between desrving a win and not get dominated. You're right that this is a great performance as compared to others aganst big teams in recent past, especially away. But I seriously can't recall any save that Cech had to make apart from the Rooney shot on basis of which I can say we deserved a win there.
We were very fluid in our movement, just the final ball/finish was missing

This can be rectified, alot of oppurtunities to play the killer pass.. too much time taken to take shots etc were behind our inabilty to really create chance after chance.

It was like watching the Gunners before this year.

I'm just happy we've shut alot of media doubters up and proven we can out football one of the worlds best teams. There are plenty of positives to take from this performance... many of the fans felt proud of our team after the game, it's a rare occurence, usually even when we win.. many feel the result is unsatisfactory and we are undeserving winners.

I feel we will do well in the CL, sharpen up a few things and we have a good shout of going far again.

Treble · 9th November 2009, 10:50

I think we had better attacks and Rooney did an excellent job but for some sloppy passes and dodgy decisions we failed to create clear chances. Giggs was the weak link yesterday. If I'm honest he wasn't much better against Liverpool but for some reason he got good ratings. Hopefully he will be back to his best as he was sensational earlier in the season.

Denis' cuff · 9th November 2009, 10:56

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Originally Posted by Treble

I think we had better attacks and Rooney did an excellent job but for some sloppy passes and dodgy decisions we failed to create clear chances. Giggs was the weak link yesterday. If I'm honest he wasn't much better against Liverpool but for some reason he got good ratings. Hopefully he will be back to his best as he was sensational earlier in the season.

Giggs has always been brilliant/inconsistent. He was brilliant about a month ago and is living off that now. Not knocking the guy because overall he has been class - just maybe though, the time has come for some consistent flair in the shape of Obertan to make it's mark. I reckon he will take some shifting out of the starting lineup before long, leaving Giggs with cameo apps from the bench, which will probably suit him, anyway.

cesc's_mullet · 9th November 2009, 11:05

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

We played better than Chelsea in Stamford Bridge and fully deserved a draw at least. We did this against Chelsea's strongest possible team, without our most expensive striker and our first-choice central defence. Neither side created much but we created more.

So yes, we really were THAT good.

I love your spin on things.

Simon Adebesi · 9th November 2009, 11:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interval Level

I have been reading since yesterday about how we were the better side. Chelsea were lucky to win and we were unlucky not to get 3 points. Things like how we played like champions. Ref had a howler. ETC. And slowly this forum has disintegrated in to classless mudslinging.

For me,

Were we unlucky to come away with nothing?: Yes

Did the ref have a howler?: Yes. But not neccessarily for or against us.

Did we deserve 3 points?: NO. We opened them up quite a few times but apart from the Rooney effort, didn't trouble Cech

We did NOT score and luck had nothing to do with that.

All this talk about us being way better is rubbish. We were great yesterday and played much better than Chelsea but we hardly deserved a win. A draw would've been a fair result

And as a United fan, I'd be more worried about how we didn't score.

I agree with some of what you say here. I think the loud self-congratulation around here tells you everything about how fucking bad we have been of late against other top 4 teams. Putting in a decent performance against (it has to be admitted) title favourites is certainly cause for some satisfaction. And we were the better team yesterday, but perhaps people are making a bit too much of it.

On the point I highlighted, I would agree - except for one offside decision that I think Rooney would have burried. But then offside decisions go against you sometimes, you need to create more decent chances than we did.

Striker10 · 9th November 2009, 11:14

no your right, we weren't good against an inform chelsea side at their ground........

That was sarcasm by the way. Probably had to point it out

when you talk about LUCK

1) if rooney is not wrongly flagged offside, he's one on one with their goalkeeper

2) if valencia is rightly awarded a pen we're rightly given a pen...

at what point, do you get a feeling the chances of us scoring might just have been a bit higher then you actually remember.....

We can say we were unlucky which is to do with luck - or we can say the officials are just not very good at their job. Either ones fine by me.

peterstorey · 9th November 2009, 11:14

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

So yes, we really were THAT good.

Actually neither team was very good both showing a distinct lack of imagination in midfield. You deserved at least a point

Striker10 · 9th November 2009, 11:17

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

Actually neither team was very good both showing a distinct lack of imagination in midfield. You deserved at least a point

peter no offence but when Arsenal start to crumble, I doubt you'll be so cocky

Lack of imagination. neither team very good. I seem to remember us being not great at OT and winning...

RedSky At Night · 9th November 2009, 11:18

I think a draw was a fair result. Chelsea should never have won that game, but what can you do?

Time to up our game and get the attack sparking again because frankly, we've looked very weak upfront this year.

Sunny Jim · 9th November 2009, 11:23

i think we were supeb apart form he final third. lack of clear cut chances is bit worring.

Denis' cuff · 9th November 2009, 11:26

it's probably not as easy as it looks playing against one of the world's top sides and imagination doesn't always come off, particularly when both sides are playing a conservative game.

Always amusing to hear you lot lecturing us on imagination and the beautiful game, considering your history as probably the most boring, dour club in the history of English football. The frivolity won't last y'know. Especially when the penny drops and they realise they haven't won a trophy for years - and that was won by traditional Arsenal methods.

Decotron · 9th November 2009, 11:28

Define "good". If you expected us to turn up at of one our biggest bogey grounds and destroy Chelsea with free flowing brazil like football then your correct we werent that good.

But turning up without our 1st choice centre halves, missing one of our main strikers and playing the way we did I think we did pretty good. If it wasnt for the ref we would have won the game simple as.

Grande · 9th November 2009, 11:31

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

Actually neither team was very good both showing a distinct lack of imagination in midfield. You deserved at least a point

Completely disagree with that one. Both team played very well, and imagination in midfield was not a problem, on the contrary.

Both teams were cautious, Chelsea keeping their backs at home and United playing a 4-5-1 with the wingers staying low. There was little space to attack in and defenders generally were 2-1 on attackers also on counter attack situations. Under these circumstances precision was remarkably high in the passing game, and speed of play when moves were executed were very good. It was a very good and tough game of chess, ending in a remis (excepting the refs decisive decisions).

The United midfield three was very inventive, with short passes, long passes, switching sides, spreading the ball sometimes, playing through the center at other times. Particularly Carrick and Anderson were elegant and took the intitiative all the time to create something. If both the teams had taken more risks, tactically, this would have resulted in a flurry of chances at both ends.

Treble · 9th November 2009, 11:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denis' cuff

it's probably not as easy as it looks playing against one of the world's top sides and imagination doesn't always come off, particularly when both sides are playing a conservative game.

Always amusing to hear you lot lecturing us on imagination and the beautiful game, considering your history as probably the most boring, dour club in the history of English football. The frivolity won't last y'know. Especially when the penny drops and they realise they haven't won a trophy for years - and that was won by traditional Arsenal methods.

Well said.

peterstorey · 9th November 2009, 11:34

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Originally Posted by Grande

Completely disagree with that one. Both team played very well, and imagination in midfield was not a problem, on the contrary..

Neither side made any chances. Anelka's was the only decent shot on target in 95 minutes. Both teams actually played quite poorly, particularly Chelsea.

Floyd · 9th November 2009, 11:37

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

Neither side made any chances. Anelka's was the only decent shot on target in 95 minutes. Both teams actually played quite poorly, particularly Chelsea.

Rooney's curling effort?

quethenoo · 9th November 2009, 11:44

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Originally Posted by Treble

I think we had better attacks and Rooney did an excellent job but for some sloppy passes and dodgy decisions we failed to create clear chances. Giggs was the weak link yesterday. If I'm honest he wasn't much better against Liverpool but for some reason he got good ratings. Hopefully he will be back to his best as he was sensational earlier in the season.

Yeah unfortunately was the case, i mean you can forgive the selection on the day due to his form so far this season. Giggsy on his game could have made the difference in the end, thought he should have had the hook earlier.

But on topic, i know what the OP means but this was always gonna be a very tight affair, i never expected there to be many chances but we had the better of it and so can take heart from that. Also i would ask the question would you be unhappy if you were a chelsea supporter on that basis seeing as they created even less on the day?

Pogue Mahone · 9th November 2009, 12:25

This weekend, it will be three months since Chelsea last conceded a goal at Stamford Bridge, in all competitions. That's 8 consecutive home games without conceding a single goal.

We went into this game without our first-choice central defensive pairing, against a team that had Drogba and Anelka in the form of their lives. I don't understand why anyone would think we could have set up in way that would do anything other than try to provide as much protection to our back four as possible.

This would inevitably make us slightly less likely to create goals at the other end, which won't have been helped by the fact we were forced to leave our most creative player this season back in Manchester.

All in all, it's no great surprise that goal-scoring opportunities for United were limited but it was a great surprise that Chelsea were even more starved of chances, in a game they were supposed to dominate.

This is why it was a very good performance from United, who deserved at least a draw and on another day - with another referee - could have nicked a win that nobody would begrudge us, on the balance of play.

Personally, I'm looking forward to hearing the opinions of our resident gooners after they go into a fixture as tough as this one without either Vermaelen and Gallas (or Van Persie). There will most definitely be a lot more goals to enjoy, that's for sure - most of them past Arsenal's hapless keeper.

A1Dan · 9th November 2009, 12:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interval Level

Did the ref have a howler?: Yes. But not neccessarily for or against us.

Rooney off-side, Brown penalty, their goal (x3)

Please list the mistakes in our favour that balance this out.

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Originally Posted by Interval Level

All this talk about us being way better is rubbish. We...played much better than Chelsea.

Excuse me if I stop reading here.

quethenoo · 9th November 2009, 12:32

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

This weekend, it will be three months since Chelsea last conceded a goal at Stamford Bridge, in all competitions. That's 8 consecutive home games without conceding a single goal.

We went into this game without our first-choice central defensive pairing, against a team that had Drogba and Anelka in the form of their lives. I don't understand why anyone would think we could have set up in way that would do anything other than try to provide as much protection to our back four as possible.

This would inevitably make us slightly less likely to create goals at the other end, which won't have been helped by the fact we were forced to leave our most creative player this season back in Manchester.

All in all, it's no great surprise that goal-scoring opportunities for United were limited but it was a great surprise that Chelsea were even more starved of chances, in a game they were supposed to dominate.

This is why it was a very good performance from United, who deserved at least a draw and on another day - with another referee - could have nicked a win that nobody would begrudge us, on the balance of play.

Yep something i heard only today that they havent conceeded in 13 hours or something like that? Taking all this into considertaion even if we had our first 11 you cant really expect too much more than playing better than the home side in one of the toughest away fixtures in europe. We were never gonna rip them apart. Not that we should get carried away with what is ultimately a defeat but give the lads credit where its due.

cesc's_mullet · 9th November 2009, 12:36

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Originally Posted by Striker10

peter no offence but when Arsenal start to crumble, I doubt you'll be so cocky

Lack of imagination. neither team very good. I seem to remember us being not great at OT and winning...

with the relevance being?

SecondFig · 9th November 2009, 12:40

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Originally Posted by quethenoo

Yeah unfortunately was the case, i mean you can forgive the selection on the day due to his form so far this season. Giggsy on his game could have made the difference in the end, thought he should have had the hook earlier.

But on topic, i know what the OP means but this was always gonna be a very tight affair, i never expected there to be many chances but we had the better of it and so can take heart from that. Also i would ask the question would you be unhappy if you were a chelsea supporter on that basis seeing as they created even less on the day?

No, because they won. We were poor against Arsenal at OT and won, and that's OK. Sometimes you have to snatch a win when you're not playing well. So Chelsea fans will be happy enough today. They might not be ecstatic, but they'll be happy.

Jopub · 9th November 2009, 12:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

This weekend, it will be three months since Chelsea last conceded a goal at Stamford Bridge, in all competitions. That's 8 consecutive home games without conceding a single goal.

We went into this game without our first-choice central defensive pairing, against a team that had Drogba and Anelka in the form of their lives. I don't understand why anyone would think we could have set up in way that would do anything other than try to provide as much protection to our back four as possible.

This would inevitably make us slightly less likely to create goals at the other end, which won't have been helped by the fact we were forced to leave our most creative player this season back in Manchester.

All in all, it's no great surprise that goal-scoring opportunities for United were limited but it was a great surprise that Chelsea were even more starved of chances, in a game they were supposed to dominate.

This is why it was a very good performance from United, who deserved at least a draw and on another day - with another referee - could have nicked a win that nobody would begrudge us, on the balance of play.

Personally, I'm looking forward to hearing the opinions of our resident gooners after they go into a fixture as tough as this one without either Vermaelen and Gallas (or Van Persie). There will most definitely be a lot more goals to enjoy, that's for sure - most of them past Arsenal's hapless keeper.

Fkme, whinge, moan amd whinge again

We have for the last 4 years been without our best players at almost any given point in any season. There was a series of games against you ( and others) when I think we were perpetually without two or three of our best players. We actually got used to it

You're all constantly telling us how "deep" and "quality" laden your squad and bench is so stop fking moaning about who you had missing

You did play well but not great and you did not finish anything off. Chelsea were poor - most days you'd have done enough to win but on this one occasion you did'nt

They did what you would normally be so proud of doing - playing poorly but getting all the points

I've listened to Ferguson 's interview and he thinks its your own fault for not finishing off the few chances

You gonna argue with him then?

Drifter · 9th November 2009, 12:41

Playing 4-5-1 taught you everything you wanted to know about our intentions.And it worked for the most part but there is always a risk of it going wrong.And this excuses about the ref only one way to silence that and that's to put the ball in the net which we lacked in the last third

Pogue Mahone · 9th November 2009, 12:41

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Originally Posted by Jopub

Fkme, whinge, moan amd whinge again

We have for the last 4 years been without our best players at almost any given point in any season. There was a series of games against you ( and others) when I think we were perpetually without two or three of our best players. We actually got used to it

You're all constantly telling us how "deep" and "quality" laden your squad and bench is so stop fking moaning about who you had missing

You did play well but not great and you did not finish anything off. Chelsea were poor - most days you'd have done enough to win but on this one occasion you did'nt

They did what you would normally be so proud of doing - playing poorly but getting all the points

I've listened to Ferguson 's interview and he thinks its your own fault for not finishing off the few chances

You gonna argue with him then?

Bloody hell, you're an odd one and no mistake.

Care to point out the "whinging" and "moaning" in that post you quoted?

charleysurf · 9th November 2009, 12:51

What the fuck is up with this Jopub joker posting the same shit in multiple threads?
Can't a mod sort him out?
Isn't he only around here when Arsenal are doing well, and then just dissapears when it all (like clockwork) falls apart and United end up with the trophies?

Jopub · 9th November 2009, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by charleysurf

What the fuck is up with this Jopub joker posting the same shit in multiple threads?
Can't a mod sort him out?
Isn't he only around here when Arsenal are doing well, and then just dissapears when it all (like clockwork) falls apart and United end up with the trophies?

Maybe there's multiple 'moaning' threads then

Maybe the mods should put it all into one great whining winging moaning thread then

Agree it is a bit tedious

(I don't ever disappear when Arsenal are doing well or badly)

Simon Adebesi · 9th November 2009, 13:02

He's an Arsenal fan that spends a lot of his time floating around a United messageboard. You have to be fairly suspicious of that. I imagine our regulars who go baiting on RAWK are less inclined to go on there when they have been on great form. (Cast your mind back, that has happened in days of olde.)

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Interval Level Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oh Teddy Teddy Posts: 2,060	We weren't THAT good <a href="http://d.mediadakine.com/ck.php?n=ad232b97&cb=84601" target="_blank"><img src="http://d.mediadakine.com/avw.php?zoneid=81&cb=84601&n=ad232b97" border="0" alt="" /></a> I have been reading since yesterday about how we were the better side. Chelsea were lucky to win and we were unlucky not to get 3 points. Things like how we played like champions. Ref had a howler. ETC. And slowly this forum has disintegrated in to classless mudslinging. For me, Were we unlucky to come away with nothing?: Yes Did the ref have a howler?: Yes. But not neccessarily for or against us. Did we deserve 3 points?: NO. We opened them up quite a few times but apart from the Rooney effort, didn't trouble Cech We did NOT score and luck had nothing to do with that. All this talk about us being way better is rubbish. We were great yesterday and played much better than Chelsea but we hardly deserved a win. A draw would've been a fair result And as a United fan, I'd be more worried about how we didn't score.

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9th November 2009, 10:28	#2 (permalink)
SecondFig Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: ▲ You Are Here? - "For three mil he can bugger whatever woodland creature he likes. although i would recommend he stays clear of badgers..." Posts: 2,861	Totally agree. We played well and we were unlucky, but we were unlucky not to get a draw. We never looked like winning in my opinion, and I do worry about how toothless we look in some games.

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Raees Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: My style is Impetuous, My defence is Impregnable Posts: 4,447	So you don't agree that was for the first time in ages a decent big match performance... how many times do we play ugly football in these sort of matches, get dominated in terms of possession and just look plain disjointed. Yesterday we looked fluid, kept the ball for long spells and looked dangerous on the counter. Rooney had lots of support and the amount of open play chances that Chelsea had considering they were the home team was minimal. We looked far the better team bar a 20 minute spell near the end of the first half. The finishing touch will come, it's United when does it not.. but being able to hold our own and control proceedings for the most part was refreshing to see, we can take heart from it.

9th November 2009, 10:31	#4 (permalink)
jdmufc First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothing can confound a wise man more than laughter from a dunce. Posts: 7,609	yup, agreed. we did look very solid, we just have very little invention, which i think will tell, come the end of the season.

9th November 2009, 10:33	#5 (permalink)
Ixion First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greater Manchester Posts: 5,093	A draw would have been fair, we didn't create enough chances to deserve the win. We were unlucky with the penalty decision but that was just down to Terry's stupidity.

9th November 2009, 10:34	#6 (permalink)
Treble Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,140	Was there a penalty against Valencia? If the answer is "Yes", then we deserved to win. Both teams created only half-chances, our half-chances were probably more and a tad better but maybe I'm biased here.

9th November 2009, 10:38	#7 (permalink)
Ekeke McFuckwit Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 14,227	Agreed. A lopsided performance. Defensively and in terms of competing in the midfield we did play well. And that was probably enough to earn a draw, but nowhere near enough to earn a win. We were rubbish in attack and didnt come close to making things interesting for Cech.

9th November 2009, 10:40	#9 (permalink)
jdmufc First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothing can confound a wise man more than laughter from a dunce. Posts: 7,609	we can take many positives from the match, but we have to take a long hard look at our play (or lack of it) in the final third of the pitch.

9th November 2009, 10:46	#11 (permalink)
Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "As relaxed and natural on the park as a dog chasing a piece of silver paper in the wind" Posts: 33,053	We played better than Chelsea in Stamford Bridge and fully deserved a draw at least. We did this against Chelsea's strongest possible team, without our most expensive striker and our first-choice central defence. Neither side created much but we created more. So yes, we really were THAT good.

9th November 2009, 10:50	#14 (permalink)
Treble Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,140	I think we had better attacks and Rooney did an excellent job but for some sloppy passes and dodgy decisions we failed to create clear chances. Giggs was the weak link yesterday. If I'm honest he wasn't much better against Liverpool but for some reason he got good ratings. Hopefully he will be back to his best as he was sensational earlier in the season.

9th November 2009, 11:14	#18 (permalink)
Striker10 "Ronaldo and trophies > Manchester United football club" Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,532	no your right, we weren't good against an inform chelsea side at their ground........ That was sarcasm by the way. Probably had to point it out when you talk about LUCK 1) if rooney is not wrongly flagged offside, he's one on one with their goalkeeper 2) if valencia is rightly awarded a pen we're rightly given a pen... at what point, do you get a feeling the chances of us scoring might just have been a bit higher then you actually remember..... We can say we were unlucky which is to do with luck - or we can say the officials are just not very good at their job. Either ones fine by me.

9th November 2009, 11:18	#21 (permalink)
RedSky At Night RTA waiting to happen Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,064	I think a draw was a fair result. Chelsea should never have won that game, but what can you do? Time to up our game and get the attack sparking again because frankly, we've looked very weak upfront this year.

9th November 2009, 11:23	#22 (permalink)
Sunny Jim First Team Sub Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warsaw...that's too far away from Edinburgh... Posts: 7,825	i think we were supeb apart form he final third. lack of clear cut chances is bit worring.

9th November 2009, 11:26	#23 (permalink)
Denis' cuff Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3,287	it's probably not as easy as it looks playing against one of the world's top sides and imagination doesn't always come off, particularly when both sides are playing a conservative game. Always amusing to hear you lot lecturing us on imagination and the beautiful game, considering your history as probably the most boring, dour club in the history of English football. The frivolity won't last y'know. Especially when the penny drops and they realise they haven't won a trophy for years - and that was won by traditional Arsenal methods.

9th November 2009, 11:28	#24 (permalink)
Decotron First Team Sub Join Date: May 2007 Location: I am not a man......................I am Cantona Posts: 9,929	Define "good". If you expected us to turn up at of one our biggest bogey grounds and destroy Chelsea with free flowing brazil like football then your correct we werent that good. But turning up without our 1st choice centre halves, missing one of our main strikers and playing the way we did I think we did pretty good. If it wasnt for the ref we would have won the game simple as.

9th November 2009, 12:25	#30 (permalink)
Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "As relaxed and natural on the park as a dog chasing a piece of silver paper in the wind" Posts: 33,053	This weekend, it will be three months since Chelsea last conceded a goal at Stamford Bridge, in all competitions. That's 8 consecutive home games without conceding a single goal. We went into this game without our first-choice central defensive pairing, against a team that had Drogba and Anelka in the form of their lives. I don't understand why anyone would think we could have set up in way that would do anything other than try to provide as much protection to our back four as possible. This would inevitably make us slightly less likely to create goals at the other end, which won't have been helped by the fact we were forced to leave our most creative player this season back in Manchester. All in all, it's no great surprise that goal-scoring opportunities for United were limited but it was a great surprise that Chelsea were even more starved of chances, in a game they were supposed to dominate. This is why it was a very good performance from United, who deserved at least a draw and on another day - with another referee - could have nicked a win that nobody would begrudge us, on the balance of play. Personally, I'm looking forward to hearing the opinions of our resident gooners after they go into a fixture as tough as this one without either Vermaelen and Gallas (or Van Persie). There will most definitely be a lot more goals to enjoy, that's for sure - most of them past Arsenal's hapless keeper.

9th November 2009, 12:41	#36 (permalink)
Drifter First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 21,300	Playing 4-5-1 taught you everything you wanted to know about our intentions.And it worked for the most part but there is always a risk of it going wrong.And this excuses about the ref only one way to silence that and that's to put the ball in the net which we lacked in the last third

9th November 2009, 12:51	#38 (permalink)
charleysurf Talks sense Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,849	What the fuck is up with this Jopub joker posting the same shit in multiple threads? Can't a mod sort him out? Isn't he only around here when Arsenal are doing well, and then just dissapears when it all (like clockwork) falls apart and United end up with the trophies?

9th November 2009, 13:02	#40 (permalink)
Simon Adebesi Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sanctity, like a cat, abhors filth. Posts: 4,574	He's an Arsenal fan that spends a lot of his time floating around a United messageboard. You have to be fairly suspicious of that. I imagine our regulars who go baiting on RAWK are less inclined to go on there when they have been on great form. (Cast your mind back, that has happened in days of olde.)