Well that'll do, eh?

CR#7 · 24th April 2008, 02:34

hargreaves will move back to center mid, everything will be fine, fuck some of you should be put down.

utdalltheway · 24th April 2008, 02:36

oh, btw feel bad for the fans that went to Barca (Lizard, etc) as we certainly didn't do them proud I think. Sure we got a good result, but we got it on a terrible performance, defence aside.

Spammy · 24th April 2008, 02:37

I think some of you are just shocked because the of the sudden realisation that you don't 'attack attack attack' at every opportunity. Why does Fergie play Roon out wide and the whinger alone up top?

Oh, and I love it when people make claims like 'the best in Europe this' and 'the best in Europe that' when they probably only watch Utd games.

Noodle, I see where you're coming from but I think you overestimate Barcelona's resolve. They'll probably score, but you'll close the game out in a way they don't know how to.

Elliott · 24th April 2008, 02:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterstorey

Yeah they expected to see the "Best team in Europe" and after about 3 minutes they realised it wasn't you.

Still good enough to hang you guys out to dry though. when ever, where ever.

Hectic · 24th April 2008, 02:39

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

Yeah they expected to see the "Best team in Europe" and after about 3 minutes they realised it wasn't you.

So we were the best team in Europe up until a penalty miss.....Give it a rest.

marcus agrippa · 24th April 2008, 02:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spammy

I think some of you are just shocked because the of the sudden realisation that you don't 'attack attack attack' at every opportunity. Why does Fergie play Roon out wide and the whinger alone up top?

Oh, and I love it when people make claims like 'the best in Europe this' and 'the best in Europe that' when they probably only watch Utd games.

Noodle, I see where you're coming from but I think you overestimate Barcelona's resolve. They'll probably score, but you'll close the game out in a way they don't know how to.

this is actually what gives me some confidence for the second leg. i don't think Barca can withstand the kind of pressure we took and not concede.

i just hope we don't let them have all the ball like we did today.

fatboy · 24th April 2008, 02:40

The good thing I can draw from this is that we now know we have to score in order to qualify. We can play a game of containment anymore, and I honestly think we can put 2-3 past them at home if we play our normal game.

Last night was all about the result, and given the circumstances, 0-0 isn't half bad.

Spammy · 24th April 2008, 02:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcus agrippa

this is actually what gives me some confidence for the second leg. i don't think Barca can withstand the kind of pressure we took and not concede.

i just hope we don't let them have all the ball like we did today.

If you turn on the pressure, they'll fold, and easier than lesser teams you've faced so far.

Richter · 24th April 2008, 02:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spammy

I think some of you are just shocked because the of the sudden realisation that you don't 'attack attack attack' at every opportunity. Why does Fergie play Roon out wide and the whinger alone up top?

Oh, and I love it when people make claims like 'the best in Europe this' and 'the best in Europe that' when they probably only watch Utd games.

Noodle, I see where you're coming from but I think you overestimate Barcelona's resolve. They'll probably score, but you'll close the game out in a way they don't know how to.

I'm not, we haven't played "attack,attack,attack" against any top team this season except against Arsenal in the FA Cup(how did that end hmmm). We usually sit back and then score on the counter in the top matches but we didn't even try to counter attack tonight....

Hectic · 24th April 2008, 02:42

This result is nowhere near as bad as some people make out to be. For fucksake we just played Barcelona at home and they failed to score against us. Yes, we didn't make use of the away goal, but they made fuck all use of playing at home.

We are a much stronger team at home, I don't see why we can't score more then one goal against them, their defence at times showed us that we can take advantage. With Brown and Vidic back and a shuffle in tactics, I think the tie is still completely open.

It wasn't a great result for them either. We are United, not Liverpool, the tie isn't over just because we didn't get an away goal. If we went 1-0 down today I could understand some of the response from todays match, but 0-0....It's all to play for.

Cornell · 24th April 2008, 02:44

I don't think anyone's upset that we didn't "attack attack attack".

It was the playing people out of position and woeful ball posession that has everyone in critic mode.

We had better personel on the bench to play a 4-3-3/4-5-1 in my opinion.

noodlehair · 24th April 2008, 02:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spammy

I think some of you are just shocked because the of the sudden realisation that you don't 'attack attack attack' at every opportunity. Why does Fergie play Roon out wide and the whinger alone up top?

Oh, and I love it when people make claims like 'the best in Europe this' and 'the best in Europe that' when they probably only watch Utd games.

Noodle, I see where you're coming from but I think you overestimate Barcelona's resolve. They'll probably score, but you'll close the game out in a way they don't know how to.

He plays Rooney out wide because he's worried Ronaldo wont do enough work defensively, I think.

They don't reall need resolve. The problem is going to be getting the ball off them, along with the fact they can afford to concede a goal, so long as they think they can score one.

They're certainly not going to sit back like we did, because they can't.

If we play like we can, I think we're better than them, and will win. If we play like we did at home to Lyon and Roma, or with the same fear as tonight, we're asking for trouble

Wibble · 24th April 2008, 03:04

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

Good result

Performance was somehow both terrible, and excellent, at the same time. But fuck it. We'll do them at OT.

Sorry Plech you have to fall into one of the two following camps.

1) That was the best, most brilliantly professional performance that United have every produced in their history. Ever.

or

2) That was a disgusting display unworthy of a United team, Sack Fergie Sell Giggs, Rooney was cack and we are now going to lose by 100 goals because we didn't get an away one. Sob.

marcus agrippa · 24th April 2008, 03:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cornell

I don't think anyone's upset that we didn't "attack attack attack".

It was the playing people out of position and woeful ball posession that has everyone in critic mode.

We had better personel on the bench to play a 4-3-3/4-5-1 in my opinion.

precisely.

i'm more upset about the quality of the transition than the result.

i believe SAF said as much. i'm all for a pragmatic approach away in Europe, but that requires we carry a threat at the other end. we didn't.

Wibble · 24th April 2008, 03:10

I get the impression that many people would have prefered us to give it our best shot even if that did mean losing. We used to do this if you remember and it has served us really badly since 99.

I think that if we can go into the next match with a full strength defence we will overpower them and possibly win by a few goals.

MrMarcello · 24th April 2008, 03:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Duckula

When we lost to Porto, we won at home.

1-1 draw

zain · 24th April 2008, 03:15

I'm wondering..
HOw is this a good result?
Wouldn't it have been better if we lost 2-1?
That way even a 1-0 win at Old Trafford would have had us through!

Now at Old Trafford we can't even play for the draw anyways and have to go for the win, it would have been better going for the win WITH an away goal rather than without one!

Red_devil_ · 24th April 2008, 03:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by noodlehair

They'll pick us off at OT, despite not being as good as us.

No away goal, and we don't have the balls to take them on properly, and now they know it

They didn't score at home either so I call it even

Richter · 24th April 2008, 03:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMarcello

1-1 draw

My worst United moment ever. And the reason why I'm so scared of away goals in CL.

reelworld · 24th April 2008, 03:20

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Originally Posted by Richter

My worst United moment ever. And the reason why I'm so scared of away goals in CL.

Indeed.

Fuck it, if we didn't learn from all our failure in Europe, we'll never will.

Wibble · 24th April 2008, 03:26

I think tonight demonstrates that we have learned from past mistakes rather well.

Bury Red · 24th April 2008, 03:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcus agrippa

i believe that in all the ties we've had a 0-0 away we've gone out. if they score first, it's us chasing the game, and anything can happen then.

i'd be confident if we'd shown some balls out there, like against Roma last season. but we didn't really. couldn't even pass the ball.

Believe what you like, it's happened 8 times in our history in the European Cup and we've gone through on 5 of those occasions. In fact in the '68 season we had two scoreless draws away as well as an away loss to Gornik Zabrze in the early rounds before the 3-3 draw at the Bernebau in the semis put us through to the final and our first European Cup.

When did the "and when you know your history..." in our chant change to "and when you're just a pessimist...", and why didn't I get the memo?

It may not have been the most thrilling of matches to stay up until 5AM to watch but you had to be impressed by the way our defence denied Barca any really dangerous chances in their own back yard and made Messi look very ordinary. We didn't create much but still contrived to miss a penalty and had 2 other good calls refused as well as showing how our mix of short and long passing was capable of opening them up on a few occasions, all it lacked was the finish and that can wait until next week.

I can't wait for Saturday and then next Tuesday, this is what following United is all about.

Hectic · 24th April 2008, 03:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wibble

I get the impression that many people would have prefered us to give it our best shot even if that did mean losing. We used to do this if you remember and it has served us really badly since 99.

I think that if we can go into the next match with a full strength defence we will overpower them and possibly win by a few goals.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wibble

I think tonight demonstrates that we have learned from past mistakes rather well.

That's exactly what I thought. I can't see how some people are taking this as bad as a loss.

Richter · 24th April 2008, 03:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bury Red

Believe what you like, it's happened 8 times in our history in the European Cup and we've gone through on 5 of those occasions. In fact in the '68 season we had two scoreless draws away as well as an away loss to Gornik Zabrze in the early rounds before the 3-3 draw at the Bernebau in the semis put us through to the final and our first European Cup.

When did the "and when you know your history..." in our chant change to "and when you're just a pessimist...", and why didn't I get the memo?

It may not have been the most thrilling of matches to stay up until 5AM to watch but you had to be impressed by the way our defence denied Barca any really dangerous chances in their own back yard and made Messi look very ordinary. We didn't create much but still contrived to miss a penalty and had 2 other good calls refused as well as showing how our mix of short and long passing was capable of opening them up on a few occasions, all it lacked was the finish and that can wait until next week.

I can't wait for Saturday and then next Tuesday, this is what following United is all about.

Yes in a way it is impressive. Even more so if you consider that we have conceded just 1 goal in 5 matches in the knockout rounds of CL. Like some Italian said, United play better Italian football than the Italians. But I still miss the United way of football in matches like this.

KeyserSoze · 24th April 2008, 03:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterstorey

Yeah they expected to see the "Best team in Europe" and after about 3 minutes they realised it wasn't you.

Your a Douchebag my friend.

zain · 24th April 2008, 03:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hectic

That's exactly what I thought. I can't see how some people are taking this as bad as a loss.

as I mentioned above Hectic...

I would have PREFERRED a 2-1 loss than a 0-0!

In both scenarios now we have to win at Old Trafford (discounting penalties ofcourse) but in the 2-1 loss at least we can use the away goals to our advantage!

marcus agrippa · 24th April 2008, 03:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bury Red

Believe what you like, it's happened 8 times in our history in the European Cup and we've gone through on 5 of those occasions. In fact in the '68 season we had two scoreless draws away as well as an away loss to Gornik Zabrze in the early rounds before the 3-3 draw at the Bernebau in the semis put us through to the final and our first European Cup.

When did the "and when you know your history..." in our chant change to "and when you're just a pessimist...", and why didn't I get the memo?

It may not have been the most thrilling of matches to stay up until 5AM to watch but you had to be impressed by the way our defence denied Barca any really dangerous chances in their own back yard and made Messi look very ordinary. We didn't create much but still contrived to miss a penalty and had 2 other good calls refused as well as showing how our mix of short and long passing was capable of opening them up on a few occasions, all it lacked was the finish and that can wait until next week.

I can't wait for Saturday and then next Tuesday, this is what following United is all about.

well, my memory doesn't go that far back, i'm ashamed to say. hence i was referring to what i could recall of the modern era, with Fergie at the helm. a lucky moment for Barca on Tuesday and we'll be in a spot of bother.

i'm hardly a pessimist BTW. i think you'll find that most of my posts are generally upbeat. but there was something about the way we set about it today that really disheartened me. the inability to keep the ball for one. the apparent lack in confidence in their own ability of some of our players.

like i've said before, the result isn't that bad (though it leaves me very nervous, with good reason given our recent past). but you can't be honest with yourself if you think that, bar the defensive performance, it was a good showing. it was not. SAF himself said so.

reelworld · 24th April 2008, 03:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wibble

I get the impression that many people would have prefered us to give it our best shot even if that did mean losing. We used to do this if you remember and it has served us really badly since 99.

I think that if we can go into the next match with a full strength defence we will overpower them and possibly win by a few goals.

This is where I disagree.
I don't expect us to go all blazing in away match against an attacking side like Barca, but I do expect us to play a bit of football. Conceding 65% possession to them isn't what I think, a 'controlled and discipline performance' like some people here think. With Barca losing Puyol and Messi being half fit, I believe we have the chance to contain them AND put a bit of pressure to their defence. The first part we did, but the second part didn't.

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utdalltheway First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Virginia, USA (orig. Cobh) Posts: 6,799	oh, btw feel bad for the fans that went to Barca (Lizard, etc) as we certainly didn't do them proud I think. Sure we got a good result, but we got it on a terrible performance, defence aside.

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Spammy IQ of 18.5 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I'm going to make this pencil...disappear... Posts: 12,689	I think some of you are just shocked because the of the sudden realisation that you don't 'attack attack attack' at every opportunity. Why does Fergie play Roon out wide and the whinger alone up top? Oh, and I love it when people make claims like 'the best in Europe this' and 'the best in Europe that' when they probably only watch Utd games. Noodle, I see where you're coming from but I think you overestimate Barcelona's resolve. They'll probably score, but you'll close the game out in a way they don't know how to.

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fatboy Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,301	The good thing I can draw from this is that we now know we have to score in order to qualify. We can play a game of containment anymore, and I honestly think we can put 2-3 past them at home if we play our normal game. Last night was all about the result, and given the circumstances, 0-0 isn't half bad.

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Hectic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Created by two, felt by millions - T.I.O.T.R Posts: 22,453	This result is nowhere near as bad as some people make out to be. For fucksake we just played Barcelona at home and they failed to score against us. Yes, we didn't make use of the away goal, but they made fuck all use of playing at home. We are a much stronger team at home, I don't see why we can't score more then one goal against them, their defence at times showed us that we can take advantage. With Brown and Vidic back and a shuffle in tactics, I think the tie is still completely open. It wasn't a great result for them either. We are United, not Liverpool, the tie isn't over just because we didn't get an away goal. If we went 1-0 down today I could understand some of the response from todays match, but 0-0....It's all to play for.

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Cornell Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sydney 2000. - Wesley Brown is a national hero. Posts: 4,641	I don't think anyone's upset that we didn't "attack attack attack". It was the playing people out of position and woeful ball posession that has everyone in critic mode. We had better personel on the bench to play a 4-3-3/4-5-1 in my opinion.

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Wibble Teeth like a reindeer. Hung like a horse. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Ingadus Speramus Posts: 35,659	I get the impression that many people would have prefered us to give it our best shot even if that did mean losing. We used to do this if you remember and it has served us really badly since 99. I think that if we can go into the next match with a full strength defence we will overpower them and possibly win by a few goals.

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zain Believe Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Only around where Top Reds are! Posts: 1,384	I'm wondering.. HOw is this a good result? Wouldn't it have been better if we lost 2-1? That way even a 1-0 win at Old Trafford would have had us through! Now at Old Trafford we can't even play for the draw anyways and have to go for the win, it would have been better going for the win WITH an away goal rather than without one!

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Wibble Teeth like a reindeer. Hung like a horse. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Ingadus Speramus Posts: 35,659	I think tonight demonstrates that we have learned from past mistakes rather well.