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Old 20th August 2010, 15:55   #1 (permalink)
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Wenger on Scholes

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SCHOLES STILL IMPRESSES WENGER - MOSTLY
2010-08-20 13:31:54.787 GMT


By Jim van Wijk, Press Association Sport
Aug. 20 (Press Association) -- Arsenal manager Arsene
Wenger maintains Paul Scholes remains "one of the greatest
footballers in England" - but is not a fan of the Manchester
United midfielder's "darker side".
Scholes may be fast approaching 36, but the United veteran
impressed in the Community Shield victory over Chelsea at
Wembley and again during the opening match of the new Barclays
Premier League season, setting up goals for Dimitar Berbatov and
Ryan Giggs in a 3-0 win against Newcastle at Old Trafford.
However, Scholes - who was asked to come out of
international retirement by England manager Fabio Capello ahead
of the World Cup - has sometimes drawn controversy figure for
his tough tackling.
Wenger said: "I believe Paul Scholes is still one of the
greatest football players in England.
"His contribution to the success of Manchester United is
absolutely huge. The regret I have personally is that he was not
always the fairest player.
"He did not get completely what [credit] he deserves as a
football player, because he is not someone who runs after the
media to be in the papers, and I respect that a lot.
"But there is a little bit of a darker side in him, that he
sometimes did things which I did not like.

Wenger, though, maintained: "Who would not have liked Paul
Scholes in their team? He is an absolutely fantastic football
player.
"When he has the ball at his feet and you are a central
defender, you have to be on your toes because he can still today
find anybody in the box - and we have seen that again against
Newcastle on Monday night."
Anyone have any idea what Wenger is on about? Scholes's shit tackling? That doesn't really have any malice behind it.
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Old 20th August 2010, 15:57   #2 (permalink)
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I'm surprised he saw anything
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There's more than clumsiness behind some of Scholes' tackles.
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Can only be his tackling, and lets face it he's not afraid to give someone a kick to let them know he's about.
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I wonder if he has issues with sir foul-alot Song
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Could well be his tackling, Keano used to say he was worse than him in the regard of "letting them know you're there". But odd to hear that from Wenger when he adores Vieira.
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Indeed, I'm sure it's his tackling he's referring to. There are plenty of people who aren't convinced by the 'just clumsy' tag and think there's something more behind it.

There were a few comments during the Newcastle game at the Scholes studs-up tackle and hasn't one of Rednapp or Carragher (all the same to me) been very vocal in claiming that Scholes is a dirty player who gets away with murder?

I'd like to think it is clumsiness but opinion seems to be divided.
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Scholesy can be a bit sly and makes the odd professional foul here and there. I can only presume he means that.
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I don't care if he's got a nasty streak. Football's a man's game and there's nothing wrong with letting the opposition know you're there.
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There's more than clumsiness behind some of Scholes' tackles.
elaborate then
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I don't care if he's got a nasty streak. Football's a man's game and there's nothing wrong with letting the opposition know you're there.
Wenger has never liked the physical nature, him or his kids

yet I remember when they used to collect the most cards in the league
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I don't care if he's got a nasty streak. Football's a man's game and there's nothing wrong with letting the opposition know you're there.
Exactly, nothing wrong with what he's doing. As far as i know he's never cause anyone serious injury, if any injury, so what's the harm?
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It's not malicious, it's just that Scholes has come to a reallisation that he can get away with a couple of fouls each game which most other players couldn't.
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It's not malicious, it's just that Scholes has come to a reallisation that he can get away with a couple of fouls each game which most other players couldn't.
It's Van Bommel that's taking the art of fouling and getting away with it to new heights.
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Scholes has been prone to see Red once or twice, but it's part of him as a player and what's wrong with a little fire? Every midfielder needs it.
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I don't care if he's got a nasty streak. Football's a man's game and there's nothing wrong with letting the opposition know you're there.
There's letting someone know you are there, and then there's a Scholes tackle.

He let's them know he's there. when they seem him running full pelt from 20 meters away, sliding from 5 yards out, looking like a ginger street-fighter fireball.

I don't think it's really malicious at all, but then I think it's a bit more then clumsiness. All I know is that I wouldn't excuse an opposition player with those tackles like I do Scholes.
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Old 20th August 2010, 16:12   #18 (permalink)
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Scholes has no problem letting some supposed midfield hatchetman know he is on the pitch, and I don't see a problem with that so long as he doesn't get himself sent off.

There was one against Newcastle on monday when either Smith or Barton went in very hard on Nani, and Scholes took the next opportunity to take the boy down.

It's something we have lacked in midfield for a while, a bit of "think twice about it or you will get it back twice as hard". A proper old fashioned midfielder. I doubt anyone would be complaining if they had him playing for them.
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I suppose he's ginger..
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Old 20th August 2010, 16:20   #20 (permalink)
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Vieira's dark side was worse. And honestly I dont see where he's coming from when he's the manager who has had record breaking numbers for bad discipline since he went to Arsenal.
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Anyone have any idea what Wenger is on about? Scholes's shit tackling? That doesn't really have any malice behind it.
Scholes knows exactly what he's doing when it comes to 'tackling'. He can actually be quite good at it, but more often than not he just kicks people. Lucky for him everyone just sees it as a mistimed tackle of some sort.
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Didn't Scholes take a fucking good swing at Carragher or some other liverpool player once aswell? He got red for it.

Let's face it, Scholes can do no wrong in our eyes. He'd have to instigate world war three and commit mass genocide.

I'd still probably say 'well he does have his moments, but it's only Scholes."
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Didn't Scholes take a fucking good swing at Carragher or some other liverpool player once aswell? He got red for it.

Let's face it, Scholes can do no wrong in our eyes. He'd have to instigate world war three and commit mass genocide.

I'd still probably say 'well he does have his moments, but it's only Scholes."
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Okay monsieur Wenger whose Arsenal has accumulated over 70 red cards during his 14 years in charge
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Ah, so it was, looks like he's already decked Carragher in the picture!



Oh Scholes, you mischievous genius.
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I don't care if he's got a nasty streak. Football's a man's game and there's nothing wrong with letting the opposition know you're there.
Sorry Pogue it's that fucking attitude that I had my knee done in by some wank stain asshole cunt who fucking dived in for no reason.

A man plays fair playing dirty is a pussy game.
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I love scholes...especially cause hes made everyone believe its just clumsy tackling...sometimes it is..sometimes hes a nasty fucker...god bless his ginger head.
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He has a bit of nasty streak in him like all great players.
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Didn't Scholes take a fucking good swing at Carragher or some other liverpool player once aswell? He got red for it.

Let's face it, Scholes can do no wrong in our eyes. He'd have to instigate world war three and commit mass genocide.

I'd still probably say 'well he does have his moments, but it's only Scholes."
It was hardly a 'good swing' Alonso was tugging his shirt after the whistle went and he shook him off and did a Vieira on Ruud (which, incidentally, gave Vieira a yellow card. How about that, eh?)
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If he played for another team, we would go nuts about him. It's only because he's our Scholes do we look past it.

All that getting stuck in rubbish is just that.
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Exactly, nothing wrong with what he's doing. As far as i know he's never cause anyone serious injury, if any injury, so what's the harm?
That's something that gets on my tits about the people that go on about how they want Scholes' to be on the receiving end of one of his challenges - he's never seriously injured anyone. Unlike other players who are often compared to him.
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It was hardly a 'good swing' Alonso was tugging his shirt after the whistle went and he shook him off and did a Vieira on Ruud (which, incidentally, gave Vieira a yellow card. How about that, eh?)
Come on, he turned 180 degrees and threw his hand at his face, it was a pretty blatant attempt at smacking him!
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Sorry Pogue it's that fucking attitude that I had my knee done in by some wank stain asshole cunt who fucking dived in for no reason.

A man plays fair playing dirty is a pussy game.
There's a difference between "letting someone know you're there" and deliberately trying to hurt someone.
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Come on, he turned 180 degrees and threw his hand at his face, it was a pretty blatant attempt at smacking him!
It was a shitty attempt though.
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Old 20th August 2010, 16:39   #39 (permalink)
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He's certainly referring to his tackles.

Scholes has earned so much respect from officials, managers and players alike so that when he goes hard into a tackle, it has a tendancy to get laughed off, the commentry teams being a prime example of that "Good ole' Scholsey, never learned to tackle, ha ha" I'm sure Scholes realises this and uses it to his advantage, and who could blame him.
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Oh aye he was miles away but that's not really the point is it.
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