What would it take for the Glazers to win you over?

theimperialinn · 10th February 2010, 18:14

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Originally Posted by MadDogg

The perfect owner is one who lets the club look after itself. One who will actually run it as a business and maximise revenue (without screwing the fans obviously), and then the club can spend the profit that it itself has made. But otherwise would leave the day to day running of the club to the people who are supposed to be doing it - Gill and Fergie.

I would hate to have the owner using their own money to buy players and pay wages, etc. Any success we'd have would feel relatively cheap, knowing it was bought for us and not something that the club has earned through good management (both on and off the field).

He has to put the money in because not many clubs enjoy the huge revenues we do.

If he bought United he could let it tick along quite nicely.

He's building a base there and has only been to the ground once.

I reckon he probably stands well back and lets cook and his team get on with it.

theimperialinn · 10th February 2010, 18:16

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Originally Posted by roodboy

I agree with this 100%.

I would not like to see us end up with an owner like Sheikh Mansour or even Abramovich.

What has Abramovic done wrong. I think it's safe to say he made some mistakes at the start by imposing himself on club transfer policy but there's no evidence of that happening now.

High profile managers seem happy enough working for him.

Sacking Mourinho was probably a mistake but I'm sure he's learned his lesson now.

Rood · 10th February 2010, 18:29

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Originally Posted by theimperialinn

What has Abramovic done wrong. I think it's safe to say he made some mistakes at the start by imposing himself on club transfer policy but there's no evidence of that happening now.

High profile managers seem happy enough working for him.

Sacking Mourinho was probably a mistake but I'm sure he's learned his lesson now.

I think you answered your own question there.

And Yuri Zhirkov is the evidence that he is still messing with transfer policy.

afrocentricity · 10th February 2010, 18:29

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Originally Posted by theimperialinn

What has he done bad?

He hasn't fucked with ticket prices and loaded his purchase price onto the pub.

He has ambibition and puts plenty of money in as capital and not loans.

Why would we need someone to put plenty of money in? I'm sure if there was no debt the club would run itself...

How do you know their owner doesn't have a ticket price tweak planned (among other things)? It's just too early...

I'm sure the cowboys sounded perfect to the scousers early doors... absolutely fuming now though.

Rood · 10th February 2010, 18:32

They cant put ticket prices up at City because they dont sell out as it is - and sacking Hughes was a mistake as far as I am concerned - it is exactly the type of short term attitude you see from big money owners.

theimperialinn · 10th February 2010, 18:38

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Originally Posted by afrocentricity

Why would we need someone to put plenty of money in? I'm sure if there was no debt the club would run itself...

How do you know their owner doesn't have a ticket price tweak planned (among other things)? It's just too early...

I'm sure the cowboys sounded perfect to the scousers early doors... absolutely fuming now though.

Plenty of money will need to be put in to clear the debt. I'm dubious about these red knights and how much money they can raise between them.

With the amount of money the Man City owner has a planned ticket price tweak will be detrimental to his cause as Roodboy outlined earlier.

afrocentricity · 10th February 2010, 18:42

Yeah that makes sense, how much would the RK have to raise to make an interesting bid to the glazers?

theimperialinn · 10th February 2010, 18:50

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Originally Posted by afrocentricity

Yeah that makes sense, how much would the RK have to raise to make an interesting bid to the glazers?

I they want to clear the debt I reckon you are looking at a bare minimum of 1b.

If they don't clear the debt then we are left with a model where we are still servicing interest but with fans given a voice and hopefully more of a say over ticket pricing policy.

dhstriker · 11th February 2010, 05:03

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Originally Posted by afrocentricity

Not so sure it would, now if they bought Fernando from down the road....

Sorry, I should have kept on naming big footballers and I would have eventually gotten one

afrocentricity · 11th February 2010, 12:37

Another one who doesn't get sarcasm...

Nucks · 11th February 2010, 13:21

I get the feeling people would find a reason to complain and hate regardless. We're enjoying one of the high points in United history right now. If we were not successful, top of the list would be lack of success, then debt. If we were not in debt it would be something else.

This sort of management is the price you pay to have success. Times change, the club has adapted. If we had a billionaire dumping money into the club and we were successful and debt free people have already said they would complain about us lacking a soul.

People are just fickle.

gulli_G · 11th February 2010, 18:53

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Originally Posted by afrocentricity

With all the Glazer shite going on and the rising dissatisfaction I'd just like to know what it would take for Mr Lucky Charm and his entourage to win you over?

Serious question...

their funeral, sick of the support the glazer crew, coming out with rubbish, glazers are worse than the the two ronnie's in scouse land, at least they spent large amounts (even though the fat waiter bought rubbish). The Glazers can do one for all i care, i want the club to be a power house again and not Real madrid's B****.

afrocentricity · 11th February 2010, 19:26

Real Madrid's bitch? we aren't though... question, would you swap the Glazers for the 'two ronnies in scouse land' right now?

Sir A1ex · 12th February 2010, 12:13

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Originally Posted by afrocentricity

Bloody hell, no scouser I know believes that... they blame them for the lack of spending.

That's just their rafa-tinted specs though. He's spent £249m (!) since taking over and brought in only £140m - that's over £18m per season net*.

Looking specifically at Hicks & Gillette, in the 2 full seasons since they took over he's spent over £108m at a net of £23m per season.
In the 3 seasons he had prior to that he spent £102m at a net of £22m per season.

However you look at it, you can't deny that they have baacked him in the transfer market, continuing to enable his ludicrous spending on mostly shit players.

The single biggest thing t Hicks & Gillette have done to the detriment of Liverpool FC's fortunes on the pitch is to not fire the clown ages ago!

*Note: The £140m and hence the £18m per season includes their equivalent of our Ronaldo windfall - £30m for Alonso - which actually puts them £4m in profit for this season. Without it they would be on £26m spend, and continuing to average over £23m per season.
This is one area where there could be some evidence of the purse strgins recently being tightened - ie "Where's the Alonso money gone?", but there's no evidence prior to the start of this season.

afrocentricity · 12th February 2010, 16:53

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Originally Posted by A1Dan

That's just their rafa-tinted specs though. He's spent £249m (!) since taking over and brought in only £140m - that's over £18m per season net*.

Looking specifically at Hicks & Gillette, in the 2 full seasons since they took over he's spent over £108m at a net of £23m per season.
In the 3 seasons he had prior to that he spent £102m at a net of £22m per season.

However you look at it, you can't deny that they have baacked him in the transfer market, continuing to enable his ludicrous spending on mostly shit players.

The single biggest thing t Hicks & Gillette have done to the detriment of Liverpool FC's fortunes on the pitch is to not fire the clown ages ago!

*Note: The £140m and hence the £18m per season includes their equivalent of our Ronaldo windfall - £30m for Alonso - which actually puts them £4m in profit for this season. Without it they would be on £26m spend, and continuing to average over £23m per season.
This is one area where there could be some evidence of the purse strgins recently being tightened - ie "Where's the Alonso money gone?", but there's no evidence prior to the start of this season.

I stand corrected, looks like I fell for the scouse propaganda there... they've spent shit loads

gulli_G · 12th February 2010, 17:29

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Originally Posted by afrocentricity

Real Madrid's bitch? we aren't though... question, would you swap the Glazers for the 'two ronnies in scouse land' right now?

stupid question, i don't know too much about them, but they have been trying to sort the debts, whereas the glazers seem to be trying take what they can before doing the runner.

hungrywing · 12th February 2010, 18:09

afrocentricity · 12th February 2010, 18:25

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Originally Posted by gulli_G

stupid question, i don't know too much about them, but they have been trying to sort the debts, whereas the glazers seem to be trying take what they can before doing the runner.

So you would then?

Kelvin · 12th February 2010, 19:20

they should clear our debts and get out of our club, they should never have been allowed to buy us.

gulli_G · 12th February 2010, 23:13

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Originally Posted by afrocentricity

so you would then?

i would choose neither!!!!!! WHAT ARE YOU, A GLAZER STOOGE?????? WHY THE GLAZER LOVE IN?

Rood · 12th February 2010, 23:26

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Originally Posted by gulli_G

i would choose neither!!!!!! WHAT ARE YOU, A GLAZER STOOGE?????? WHY THE GLAZER LOVE IN?

robertsoncrusoe · 12th February 2010, 23:35

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Originally Posted by Kelvin

they should clear our debts and get out of our club, they should never have been allowed to buy us.

Kelv- they didn't buy us- we bought us!

afrocentricity · 13th February 2010, 04:02

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Originally Posted by gulli_G

i would choose neither!!!!!! WHAT ARE YOU, A GLAZER STOOGE?????? WHY THE GLAZER LOVE IN?

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10th February 2010, 18:32	#85 (permalink)
Rood nostradamus like gloater Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Republik Of Mancunia Posts: 13,005	They cant put ticket prices up at City because they dont sell out as it is - and sacking Hughes was a mistake as far as I am concerned - it is exactly the type of short term attitude you see from big money owners.

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afrocentricity First Team Regular Join Date: May 2005 Location: Thinking up a new location... Posts: 10,196	Yeah that makes sense, how much would the RK have to raise to make an interesting bid to the glazers?

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afrocentricity First Team Regular Join Date: May 2005 Location: Thinking up a new location... Posts: 10,196	Another one who doesn't get sarcasm...

11th February 2010, 13:21	#91 (permalink)
Nucks Cuckoo Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,168	I get the feeling people would find a reason to complain and hate regardless. We're enjoying one of the high points in United history right now. If we were not successful, top of the list would be lack of success, then debt. If we were not in debt it would be something else. This sort of management is the price you pay to have success. Times change, the club has adapted. If we had a billionaire dumping money into the club and we were successful and debt free people have already said they would complain about us lacking a soul. People are just fickle.

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afrocentricity First Team Regular Join Date: May 2005 Location: Thinking up a new location... Posts: 10,196	Real Madrid's bitch? we aren't though... question, would you swap the Glazers for the 'two ronnies in scouse land' right now?

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Kelvin Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 21,510	they should clear our debts and get out of our club, they should never have been allowed to buy us.