Why cant we score from corners?

zippy · 22nd December 2002, 23:56

Someone told me the other day that its been something like 18 months since we scored from a corner, apparently the last one was a Ronny Johnson header way back.

How can we go so long without scoring from a corner?, cant Steve Bruce come by and give the boys some tips on how this is done because we are obviously in desperate need of some coaching in the department...

Murt · 23rd December 2002, 00:00

Blanc has scored a couple of goals from corners <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />

23rd December 2002, 00:22

zippy = <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />

Private PeeWee · 23rd December 2002, 00:24

Teams that score alot of goals usually have a number of tall and good headers in there team.

We were good at corners when we had Daisy & Dolly as centre backs.

Since then our defence has been made up of many different players. And none of them has been very good at heading.

And back then we also had Hughes & Cantona up front, whom both were great headers. After that we have had many different strikers and forwards whom not all have been good at this. Yorke and Sheringham were good at this, but they seldom played together, or they were usually much on and off the team.

Today we have some in our defence line that can do this, and we have Nistelrooy and Solskjær, whe first is a good header and the latter not a typical header.

Our team is maybe not very sharpened or focused at this. I don't know. We do score many goals, but that is still no excuse for not taking advantage of corners as a weapon.

23rd December 2002, 00:29

Larry scored from one in Greece. No one was near him within a 3 mile radius mind.

I have noticed that never seem to score from corners. Oh well.

jraby · 23rd December 2002, 02:26

I don't think we take great corners, Giggs always hits them too far and even Becks with all that pasing ability doesn't deliver often enough.

Only in last few games have we had close chances and that was from Veron taking'em.

becks_007 · 23rd December 2002, 04:16

[quote]Originally posted by jraby:
I don't think we take great corners, Giggs always hits them too far and even Becks with all that pasing ability doesn't deliver often enough.

Only in last few games have we had close chances and that was from Veron taking'em.<hr></blockquote>

Agree....Giggs is crap at corners..Becks is okay..Veron is the best at them

23rd December 2002, 05:41

United of recent history has had trouble to score from corners, no big secret in that, except of course for Laurent Blanc. Ryan Giggs seems to get the cross in to just the first defender who then easily clears.

I have noticed of late with our corners that John O'Shea positions himself to the near post to try and head the ball back across the box.

RUnited · 23rd December 2002, 07:23

I think Veron has done a great job from the dead ball situations when Becks wasn't around. His placement is excellent.

I think it's time SAF lets him take over Becks from corners atleast.

In the game against Arsenal, Veron's corner missed Brown's head by only a few inches - it looked exactly like the one he made for Batistuta's goal in the WC.. and he's made many like that, which i thought were all superb corners.

i think by putting becks as number one when he's on the pitch we're seriously wasting seba's world class talent from dead balls.

Paz · 23rd December 2002, 07:59

[quote]Originally posted by RUnited:
I think Veron has done a great job from the dead ball situations when Becks wasn't around. His placement is excellent.

I think it's time SAF lets him take over Becks from corners atleast.

In the game against Arsenal, Veron's corner missed Brown's head by only a few inches - it looked exactly like the one he made for Batistuta's goal in the WC.. and he's made many like that, which i thought were all superb corners.

i think by putting becks as number one when he's on the pitch we're seriously wasting seba's world class talent from dead balls.<hr></blockquote>

Agreed

Julian Denny · 23rd December 2002, 08:04

Oh for Gordon McQueen & Steve Bruce ! - deadly from corners & free kicks. Larry has got a couple but Jaap never looked like scoring and neither do Brown & JOS either. Early days for the latter two though.

Livvie · 23rd December 2002, 08:21

[quote]Originally posted by zippy:
Someone told me the other day that its been something like 18 months since we scored from a corner, apparently the last one was a Ronny Johnson header way back.

<hr></blockquote>

Wasn't one of Ole's goals against Bolton from a corner?

And I expect someone will come up with something even more recent.

zippy · 23rd December 2002, 22:57

i dont remember ole hitting one in from a corner, at least not directly which is what I'm really talking about.

At this level you need to get goals from everywhere, you could actually see that blackburn were not that bothered about giving corners away against us.
sure, we are a football team and we would never have someone like duncan ferguson playing for us but i think we need to be more aggressive on corner kicks, there should be 3 or 4 players timing their runs and powering their way onto the ball, instead we have players running in circles and back and forth which is better than standing still but not really the way to get on the end of something.

I sometimes wonder if they even have a game plan at all on corner kicks, it seems to me that half the time its just a case of whacking it in there and hoping for the best...

Livvie · 23rd December 2002, 23:09

[quote]Originally posted by zippy:
i dont remember ole hitting one in from a corner, at least not directly which is what I'm really talking about.

<hr></blockquote>

Cracking header from a Beckham corner at Bolton last season? As direct as it gets.

Manchesters Finest · 23rd December 2002, 23:20

Back in the early nineties when Pally and Bruce and David May ("I rose like a salmon at the far post, but Pally rose like a fresher salmon and headed the ball towards the net, the keeper pushed it away and there was a flash of brilliant red before i booted the ball into the goal with my left foot sponsered by Diadora")(or summat like that vs Porto)Giggsy and Kanchelskis took them.Has Giggsy deteriorated then?

RUnited · 24th December 2002, 03:30

[quote]Originally posted by Manchesters Finest:
Back in the early nineties when Pally and Bruce and David May ("I rose like a salmon at the far post, but Pally rose like a fresher salmon and headed the ball towards the net, the keeper pushed it away and there was a flash of brilliant red before i booted the ball into the goal with my left foot sponsered by Diadora")(or summat like that vs Porto)Giggsy and Kanchelskis took them.Has Giggsy deteriorated then?<hr></blockquote>

it is quite obvious we haven't been very effectiver from corners recently - but it's very difficult to pinpoint the problem IMO. It could be the corner takers - giggs, becks, veron. Or it could be the ones who are supposed to get to the flyin ball - Brown, Blanc, O'Shea, RVN? Ole?, etc.

24th December 2002, 11:15

"it is quite obvious we haven't been very effectiver from corners recently - but it's very difficult to pinpoint the problem IMO. It could be the corner takers - giggs, becks, veron. Or it could be the ones who are supposed to get to the flyin ball - Brown, Blanc, O'Shea, RVN? Ole?, etc. "

IMO it´s not difficult to pinpoint the problem. Giggs, Becks and Veron are all able to take good corners. It´s not that important imo who of the three takes them. But sadly apart from Blanc our players are not very good at scoring from corners. Prime example is Ruud. He is a worldclass striker but he is crap at setpieces. I can´t remember that he ever scored a goal for United or the Dutch after a corner or a freekick.
If the delivery would be the problem, I don´t understand why England often score after Becks corners or freekicks. Or is someone suggesting that he tries them harder for England than for us ?

Maybe we could do with a big strong striker who is good in the air.

24th December 2002, 12:09

Bozza scores on corners... we should get him back.

SecondFig · 13th May 2010, 13:36

Apparently we've not improved since 2002, apparently last season we won more corners than anyone else (295), and scored exactly one goal.

That's shocking.

edit: actually we've scored two goals; Park vs. Stoke & Vidic vs. Wolves. Still crap though.

MancFanFromManc · 13th May 2010, 13:41

There's only so many hours a week on a training pitch, as frustrating as it is, I guess if we worked harder on set pieces we'd spend less time on other stuff. Our attacking play is exhilarating at times, would you give up that (for example) in order to be good at corners ??

SecondFig · 13th May 2010, 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by MancFanFromManc

There's only so many hours a week on a training pitch, as frustrating as it is, I guess if we worked harder on set pieces we'd spend less time on other stuff. Our attacking play is exhilarating at times, would you give up that (for example) in order to be good at corners ??

I don't for one second believe that to become even half decent at corners we'd need to sacrifice our usual style of play. Nor am I suggesting we follow Allardyce or Pulis and specialise in set-pieces, quite simply to win that many corners and waste so many is poor.

Chadwick's Acne · 13th May 2010, 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by SecondFig

Apparently we've not improved since 2002, apparently last season we won more corners than anyone else (295), and scored exactly one goal.

That's shocking.

Is there any way to find out how many other teams have scored as I've noticed that it's not just us that has the problem from corners?

SecondFig · 13th May 2010, 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric's Collar

Is there any way to find out how many other teams have scored as I've noticed that it's not just us that has the problem from corners?

True, best friend is a Liverpool fan, and he's always complaining that their corners are shit - rarely beating the first man. But then most things about Liverpool are shit, so I don't pay much attention.

But seriously, I know what you mean, there seems to be a real shortage of good corner takers right now - which baffles me.

fredthered · 13th May 2010, 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by MancFanFromManc

There's only so many hours a week on a training pitch, as frustrating as it is, I guess if we worked harder on set pieces we'd spend less time on other stuff. Our attacking play is exhilarating at times, would you give up that (for example) in order to be good at corners ??

I would conjecture that all the attacking play in the world is worthless if you are gaining good set piece opportunities from it and not gaining anything from them.

The reason we get more corners than everyone else is because we attack more than anyone else, and if we had a credible set piece option our goal tally would increase substantially.

Its not suggesting we lose our attacking flair. Far from it. Its just offering something on top that increases our goalscoring ability, and as hte stats show, our return in goals from corners is quite frankly awful..

EdWeatherall · 13th May 2010, 14:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric's Collar

Is there any way to find out how many other teams have scored as I've noticed that it's not just us that has the problem from corners?

It was in Martin Tyler's column on the SkySports website a few weeks ago

anver · 13th May 2010, 14:06

Dunno. Maybe our corner takers are not giving good service. I have noticed Giggs' kicks rarely beat the first man. Nani is not too good either.

So, there has got to be more practice if we are to improve.

Chadwick's Acne · 13th May 2010, 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by SecondFig

True, best friend is a Liverpool fan, and he's always complaining that their corners are shit - rarely beating the first man. But then most things about Liverpool are shit, so I don't pay much attention.

But seriously, I know what you mean, there seems to be a real shortage of good corner takers right now - which baffles me.

To be honest, I think the defending at set-pieces has changed drastically over the years. Nearly every team brings back every player bar one, in some cases every player is back defending, which means you have a crowded box. Maybe I'm wrong, but I always remember team leaving at least two up front (usually being marked by at least three defenders). If those two strikers go back then the chances are another two defenders will go with them.

Couple that with the fact that you can't challenge a goalkeeper, or even get near to him, and you're likely to see a decrease in goals scored from corners.

The only team I can think of that I can recall scoring regularly from corners are Aston Villa to be honest?!?

fredthered · 13th May 2010, 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by anver

Dunno. Maybe our corner takers are not giving good service. I have noticed Giggs' kicks rarely beat the first man. Nani is not too good either.

So, there has got to be more practice if we are to improve.

Its not just those taking the corners, its those at the other end who are able to use that service.

Name Changed · 13th May 2010, 14:14

Our corner takers, although well able to strike a ball, tend to take terrible corners. That's the main reason that we don't score too many. Plus Vidic is the only real threat in the air.

Chadwick's Acne · 13th May 2010, 14:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Name Changed

Plus Vidic is the only real threat in the air.

Rooney says no. Fletcher is also good in the air. Berbatov has also shown in the past that he's good with his head. Ferdinand's surely scored a few from corners as well?

SecondFig · 13th May 2010, 14:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by fredthered

I would conjecture that all the attacking play in the world is worthless if you are gaining good set piece opportunities from it and not gaining anything from them.

The reason we get more corners than everyone else is because we attack more than anyone else, and if we had a credible set piece option our goal tally would increase substantially.

Its not suggesting we lose our attacking flair. Far from it. Its just offering something on top that increases our goalscoring ability, and as hte stats show, our return in goals from corners is quite frankly awful..

That's my point, we attack a lot, and win a lot of corners. So attacking chances (shots, crosses, dangerous runs) are converted into corners by the defending team. If we consistently waste the ensuing corner then we're throwing away a lot of opportunities.

I agree with the point someone else made about corners being harder to score from now in general - more players back and more protection for the keeper. But I think we're also missing an aerial threat, Rooney has come a long way but he's not tall and he's still not a real aerial threat. Ronaldo was, and Vidic still is. But that's about it. Yes Fletcher, Rio and Scholes will all score occasional headers - but they're not enough.

Name Changed · 13th May 2010, 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric's Collar

Rooney says no. Fletcher is also good in the air. Berbatov has also shown in the past that he's good with his head. Ferdinand's surely scored a few from corners as well?

Rooney scores headers when he makes space in the box and gets relatively free from the defender. When has he ever scored a header from a corner?

Berbatov is shockingly bad at converting headers, as shown recently. Now and again he'll score a cracker. Again, not really from corners.

Fletcher scores his headers by arriving in late and attacking the ball from a running start giving him the advantage over the defender. Again, he never scores from corners.

Ferdinand, despite his size, is not that good in the air and has scored very few goals for United. Vidic scored as many headers in one season as Ferdinand has in 8 odd seasons.

So, Vidic is the only real consistent threat in the air.

SecondFig · 13th May 2010, 14:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Name Changed

Rooney scores headers when he makes space in the box and gets relatively free from the defender. When has he ever scored a header from a corner?

Berbatov is shockingly bad at converting headers, as shown recently. Now and again he'll score a cracker. Again, not really from corners.

Fletcher scores his headers by arriving in late and attacking the ball from a running start giving him the advantage over the defender. Again, he never scores from corners.

Ferdinand, despite his size, is not that good in the air and has scored very few goals for United. Vidic scored as many headers in one season as Ferdinand has in 8 odd seasons.

So, Vidic is the only real consistent threat in the air.

Yeah, it's an aspect of Ronaldo's game that's been overlooked at times, but he was fucking lethal from in the air - powerful, strong, tall and he really attacked the ball. Remember that goal against Roma? (granted I don't think it was a corner, but still...)

fredthered · 13th May 2010, 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Name Changed

Berbatov is shockingly bad at converting headers, as shown recently.

Only headers ???

Name Changed · 13th May 2010, 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by SecondFig

Yeah, it's an aspect of Ronaldo's game that's been overlooked at times, but he was fucking lethal from in the air - powerful, strong, tall and he really attacked the ball. Remember that goal against Roma? (granted I don't think it was a corner, but still...)

Ronaldo is as good a header of the ball as there is in my opinion. He's phenomenal in the air.

cacs · 13th May 2010, 14:44

Our set piece takers having changed, it's just missing ronaldo seriously good heading ability! he always seemed to get something on the end of a corner

Chadwick's Acne · 13th May 2010, 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Name Changed

Rooney scores headers when he makes space in the box and gets relatively free from the defender. When has he ever scored a header from a corner?

Berbatov is shockingly bad at converting headers, as shown recently. Now and again he'll score a cracker. Again, not really from corners.

Fletcher scores his headers by arriving in late and attacking the ball from a running start giving him the advantage over the defender. Again, he never scores from corners.

Ferdinand, despite his size, is not that good in the air and has scored very few goals for United. Vidic scored as many headers in one season as Ferdinand has in 8 odd seasons.

So, Vidic is the only real consistent threat in the air.

I stand by the point that those players I listed are all good in the air, deliver a good cross and they'll likely score or at least hit the target. As touched upon already, it's not as if they are spurning chances, it's a combination of great/solid defending and poor set-pieces that's been our problem in my opinion.

Ronaldo was superb at finding space and attacking corners as has been pointed out, something I think Rooney has the ability to do as well as we've seen this season. Likewise Fletcher has the ability to do this as well as he's a determined player who is willing put his head in where it hurts.

I'm not going to get into a Berbatov debate as there's plenty of that on the forum already, but a number of the headed chances he's 'missed' in recent weeks have not been easy, granted there are a couple he really should have taken but I put that down to confidence as well. He has shown in the past that he can deliver in this area though...

a_devil_inside · 13th May 2010, 15:12

the likes of Evans and Brown should be contributing to goals, Ferdinand should get a few each season too.
O'Shea can be good at headers as well so be nice if he could score a couple

MUFC07 · 13th May 2010, 15:24

How many of our goals from corners in the last 2-3 seasons were scored by Ronaldo?

lysglimt · 13th May 2010, 15:24

We could do with a little Tim Cahill yes - in my time as a United-fan I can only think of one really good player at set-pieces and that was Steve Bruce. What I liked about Brucie was that he showed you dont have to be 6ft3, have a tremendous leap and be very quick. With Bruce it was all about determination.

22nd December 2002, 23:56	#1 (permalink)
zippy Banned Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Rainbow Posts: 2,461	Why cant we score from corners? Someone told me the other day that its been something like 18 months since we scored from a corner, apparently the last one was a Ronny Johnson header way back. How can we go so long without scoring from a corner?, cant Steve Bruce come by and give the boys some tips on how this is done because we are obviously in desperate need of some coaching in the department...

23rd December 2002, 04:16	#7 (permalink)
becks_007 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 636	[quote]Originally posted by jraby: <strong>I don't think we take great corners, Giggs always hits them too far and even Becks with all that pasing ability doesn't deliver often enough. Only in last few games have we had close chances and that was from Veron taking'em.</strong><hr></blockquote> Agree....Giggs is crap at corners..Becks is okay..Veron is the best at them

23rd December 2002, 07:59	#10 (permalink)
Paz Berba Lover who still does Spazzy threads Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ...corner by Beckham, punched out by James.....CANTONAAAAAA!! Posts: 12,616	[quote]Originally posted by RUnited: <strong>I think Veron has done a great job from the dead ball situations when Becks wasn't around. His placement is excellent. I think it's time SAF lets him take over Becks from corners atleast. In the game against Arsenal, Veron's corner missed Brown's head by only a few inches - it looked exactly like the one he made for Batistuta's goal in the WC.. and he's made many like that, which i thought were all superb corners. i think by putting becks as number one when he's on the pitch we're seriously wasting seba's world class talent from dead balls.</strong><hr></blockquote> Agreed

23rd December 2002, 08:21	#12 (permalink)
Livvie Executive Manager being kept sane only by her madness Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Someone said that half of Caf members were thick. It's not true. Half of you aren't thick at all. Posts: 36,503	[quote]Originally posted by zippy: <strong>Someone told me the other day that its been something like 18 months since we scored from a corner, apparently the last one was a Ronny Johnson header way back. </strong><hr></blockquote> Wasn't one of Ole's goals against Bolton from a corner? And I expect someone will come up with something even more recent.

23rd December 2002, 23:09	#14 (permalink)
Livvie Executive Manager being kept sane only by her madness Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Someone said that half of Caf members were thick. It's not true. Half of you aren't thick at all. Posts: 36,503	[quote]Originally posted by zippy: <strong>i dont remember ole hitting one in from a corner, at least not directly which is what I'm really talking about. </strong><hr></blockquote> Cracking header from a Beckham corner at Bolton last season? As direct as it gets.

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23rd December 2002, 00:00	#2 (permalink)
Murt Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Dimmer than Welsh Red Posts: 17,065	Blanc has scored a couple of goals from corners <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />

23rd December 2002, 00:22	#3 (permalink)
Spoony Guest Posts: n/a	zippy = <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />

23rd December 2002, 00:24	#4 (permalink)
Private PeeWee Duck Fucker Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 440	Teams that score alot of goals usually have a number of tall and good headers in there team. We were good at corners when we had Daisy & Dolly as centre backs. Since then our defence has been made up of many different players. And none of them has been very good at heading. And back then we also had Hughes & Cantona up front, whom both were great headers. After that we have had many different strikers and forwards whom not all have been good at this. Yorke and Sheringham were good at this, but they seldom played together, or they were usually much on and off the team. Today we have some in our defence line that can do this, and we have Nistelrooy and Solskjær, whe first is a good header and the latter not a typical header. Our team is maybe not very sharpened or focused at this. I don't know. We do score many goals, but that is still no excuse for not taking advantage of corners as a weapon.

23rd December 2002, 00:29	#5 (permalink)
curt Guest Posts: n/a	Larry scored from one in Greece. No one was near him within a 3 mile radius mind. I have noticed that never seem to score from corners. Oh well.

23rd December 2002, 02:26	#6 (permalink)
jraby Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: usa Posts: 1,465	I don't think we take great corners, Giggs always hits them too far and even Becks with all that pasing ability doesn't deliver often enough. Only in last few games have we had close chances and that was from Veron taking'em.

23rd December 2002, 05:41	#8 (permalink)
MUFC4me Guest Posts: n/a	United of recent history has had trouble to score from corners, no big secret in that, except of course for Laurent Blanc. Ryan Giggs seems to get the cross in to just the first defender who then easily clears. I have noticed of late with our corners that John O'Shea positions himself to the near post to try and head the ball back across the box.

23rd December 2002, 07:23	#9 (permalink)
RUnited Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Back in the 'hood Posts: 5,171	I think Veron has done a great job from the dead ball situations when Becks wasn't around. His placement is excellent. I think it's time SAF lets him take over Becks from corners atleast. In the game against Arsenal, Veron's corner missed Brown's head by only a few inches - it looked exactly like the one he made for Batistuta's goal in the WC.. and he's made many like that, which i thought were all superb corners. i think by putting becks as number one when he's on the pitch we're seriously wasting seba's world class talent from dead balls.

23rd December 2002, 08:04	#11 (permalink)
Julian Denny Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South Africa Posts: 4,069	Oh for Gordon McQueen & Steve Bruce ! - deadly from corners & free kicks. Larry has got a couple but Jaap never looked like scoring and neither do Brown & JOS either. Early days for the latter two though.

23rd December 2002, 22:57	#13 (permalink)
zippy Banned Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Rainbow Posts: 2,461	i dont remember ole hitting one in from a corner, at least not directly which is what I'm really talking about. At this level you need to get goals from everywhere, you could actually see that blackburn were not that bothered about giving corners away against us. sure, we are a football team and we would never have someone like duncan ferguson playing for us but i think we need to be more aggressive on corner kicks, there should be 3 or 4 players timing their runs and powering their way onto the ball, instead we have players running in circles and back and forth which is better than standing still but not really the way to get on the end of something. I sometimes wonder if they even have a game plan at all on corner kicks, it seems to me that half the time its just a case of whacking it in there and hoping for the best...

23rd December 2002, 23:20	#15 (permalink)
Manchesters Finest A pint of Boddies! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Northern Monkey from t'other side o' Pennines Posts: 1,715	Back in the early nineties when Pally and Bruce and David May ("I rose like a salmon at the far post, but Pally rose like a fresher salmon and headed the ball towards the net, the keeper pushed it away and there was a flash of brilliant red before i booted the ball into the goal with my left foot sponsered by Diadora")(or summat like that vs Porto)Giggsy and Kanchelskis took them.Has Giggsy deteriorated then?

24th December 2002, 03:30	#16 (permalink)
RUnited Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Back in the 'hood Posts: 5,171	[quote]Originally posted by Manchesters Finest: <strong>Back in the early nineties when Pally and Bruce and David May ("I rose like a salmon at the far post, but Pally rose like a fresher salmon and headed the ball towards the net, the keeper pushed it away and there was a flash of brilliant red before i booted the ball into the goal with my left foot sponsered by Diadora")(or summat like that vs Porto)Giggsy and Kanchelskis took them.Has Giggsy deteriorated then?</strong><hr></blockquote> it is quite obvious we haven't been very effectiver from corners recently - but it's very difficult to pinpoint the problem IMO. It could be the corner takers - giggs, becks, veron. Or it could be the ones who are supposed to get to the flyin ball - Brown, Blanc, O'Shea, RVN? Ole?, etc.

24th December 2002, 11:15	#17 (permalink)
becks75 Guest Posts: n/a	"it is quite obvious we haven't been very effectiver from corners recently - but it's very difficult to pinpoint the problem IMO. It could be the corner takers - giggs, becks, veron. Or it could be the ones who are supposed to get to the flyin ball - Brown, Blanc, O'Shea, RVN? Ole?, etc. " IMO it´s not difficult to pinpoint the problem. Giggs, Becks and Veron are all able to take good corners. It´s not that important imo who of the three takes them. But sadly apart from Blanc our players are not very good at scoring from corners. Prime example is Ruud. He is a worldclass striker but he is crap at setpieces. I can´t remember that he ever scored a goal for United or the Dutch after a corner or a freekick. If the delivery would be the problem, I don´t understand why England often score after Becks corners or freekicks. Or is someone suggesting that he tries them harder for England than for us ? Maybe we could do with a big strong striker who is good in the air.

24th December 2002, 12:09	#18 (permalink)
Rod Guest Posts: n/a	Bozza scores on corners... we should get him back.

13th May 2010, 13:36	#19 (permalink)
SecondFig First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: ▲ You Are Here? - Maybe you think we were all a sheet in the wind's eye. But I'll tell you I was sober Posts: 5,633	Apparently we've not improved since 2002, apparently last season we won more corners than anyone else (295), and scored exactly one goal. That's shocking. edit: actually we've scored two goals; Park vs. Stoke & Vidic vs. Wolves. Still crap though. Last edited by SecondFig; 13th May 2010 at 14:47. Reason: corrected

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MancFanFromManc Red Rascal Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Was in the Nou Camp, and was in Moscow... Anyone for Munich? Posts: 6,558	There's only so many hours a week on a training pitch, as frustrating as it is, I guess if we worked harder on set pieces we'd spend less time on other stuff. Our attacking play is exhilarating at times, would you give up that (for example) in order to be good at corners ??

13th May 2010, 14:06	#26 (permalink)
anver Shart stop Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colombo. Sri-Lanka Posts: 4,126	Dunno. Maybe our corner takers are not giving good service. I have noticed Giggs' kicks rarely beat the first man. Nani is not too good either. So, there has got to be more practice if we are to improve.

13th May 2010, 14:14	#29 (permalink)
Name Changed weso26 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dublin Posts: 20,289	Our corner takers, although well able to strike a ball, tend to take terrible corners. That's the main reason that we don't score too many. Plus Vidic is the only real threat in the air.

13th May 2010, 14:44	#36 (permalink)
cacs Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Omagh, Co.Tyrone /Sydney Posts: 1,065	Our set piece takers having changed, it's just missing ronaldo seriously good heading ability! he always seemed to get something on the end of a corner

13th May 2010, 15:12	#38 (permalink)
a_devil_inside Big footed hermaphrodite Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Little Britain Posts: 31,205	the likes of Evans and Brown should be contributing to goals, Ferdinand should get a few each season too. O'Shea can be good at headers as well so be nice if he could score a couple

13th May 2010, 15:24	#39 (permalink)
MUFC07 First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Mexico City. "I'm looking for abstract ways of expressing reality, abstract forms that will enlighten my own mistery" Eric Cantona Posts: 7,139	How many of our goals from corners in the last 2-3 seasons were scored by Ronaldo?

13th May 2010, 15:24	#40 (permalink)
lysglimt Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,322	We could do with a little Tim Cahill yes - in my time as a United-fan I can only think of one really good player at set-pieces and that was Steve Bruce. What I liked about Brucie was that he showed you dont have to be 6ft3, have a tremendous leap and be very quick. With Bruce it was all about determination.