Why have people turned on Hernandez?

Plechazunga · 10th January 2012, 12:52

You go away from the forum for a few months, and suddenly everyone's favourite fast-as-fuck deal-of-the-century religious maniac predator is a pariah figure.

He's in a run of poor form, but he's still a brilliant finisher and fantastic at getting in scoring positions. He's young, it's his second season where defenders have had a chance to look at him and get used to his movement a bit... this is all completely normal.

He'll score a ton of goals for United.

"Lord, please make it smell less round here"

R_Kelly · 10th January 2012, 12:53

Football fans are generally knee-jerk reactionaries.

charleysurf · 10th January 2012, 12:54

Chicharito didn´t turn shite or anything. He´s just found himself in a situation where Welbeck suits the team play better. His goalpoaching would suit a team that were more dominant in matches.

I could see him going to Real Madrid for big money and scoring obscene amounts of goals.

ArmchairCritic · 10th January 2012, 12:55

Because they are stupid. He's not had a proper rest for the last two off seasons with the World Cup and Gold Cup, he's also not had a proper pre-season this year with his head injury and he's had few niggles since. Also for Chico to play well he relies on his teammates to be playing well, him being offside is not so much his fault as it is the midfielder's for not spotting the runs. He'll score some mightily important goals in the run-in, just watch.

Plechazunga · 10th January 2012, 12:56

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Originally Posted by charleysurf

Chicharito didn´t turn shite or anything. He´s just found himself in a situation where Welbeck suits the team play better. His goalpoaching would suit a team that were more dominant in matches.

I could see him going to Real Madrid for big money and scoring obscene amounts of goals.

You just posted exactly the same words in another thread

Also, we will be dominating matches again soon enough

ben_foster · 10th January 2012, 12:56

nobody has turned on him people are just saying it like it is....he's woefully out of form.
i love the lad but at the same time i know he has his limitations.

marjen · 10th January 2012, 12:56

I aired this notion last season as well, however it was ignored and swept to the back of my mind due to his goalscoring exploits:

His overall game is severely lacking.

I think Welbeck has shown how much Rooney, Nani etc. comes to life when they've got a striker who can both lead the line AND contribute to the build-up. Welbeck's a real menace on the ball, as he'll pick holes in your defence if you let him turn. Also, he can run at you.

Hernandez is poor with the ball at his feet, contributes little to nothing in the build-up, and usually plays a unnecesarry first time pass backwards if he receives the ball with his back to the goal. Not a great deal of vision or awareness on him.

The bloody strange thing is, though, inside the box he suddenly accquires this velvet-like first touch and bloody quick feet to finish off whatever comes his way. His movement is obviously top class(when on song) and he's got pace to burn. So his qualities are obvious, he's just limited to scoring goals and not much else, and as such, it's bloody frustrating when he's out of form because his contribution is nothing at all.

Sunny Jim · 10th January 2012, 12:57

Chichartio is having a weird season, be it for the injuries or mythical second season syndrom. Byt still - he is a loveable chap who works his socks off for us. I dont see any reason to have a go at him.

Scots Crusader · 10th January 2012, 12:57

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Originally Posted by ArmchairCritic

Because they are stupid. He's not had a proper rest for the last two off seasons with the World Cup and Gold Cup, he's also not had a proper pre-season this year with his head injury and he's had few niggles since. Also for Chico to play well he relies on his teammates to be playing well, him being offside is not so much his fault as it is the midfielder's for not spotting the runs. He'll score some mightily important goals in the run-in, just watch.

This. Anyone who has the off-the-ball movement of Chicho will score, but we are not quite playing fast enough football at the minute to utilise his runs, causing a heap of offsides. The kid will come good.

ArmchairCritic · 10th January 2012, 12:57

I think he's a better all round player then some give him credit for, just hasn't put it all together this year.

gaffs · 10th January 2012, 12:57

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Originally Posted by charleysurf

Chicharito didn´t turn shite or anything. He´s just found himself in a situation where Welbeck suits the team play better. His goalpoaching would suit a team that were more dominant in matches.

I could see him going to Real Madrid for big money and scoring obscene amounts of goals.

Since when have we dominated?

Feeky_Magee · 10th January 2012, 12:57

Funnily enough, he's behind both Berbatov and Rooney in terms of finishing clear-cut chances (defined as penalties, one-on-ones, free headers close to the goal and shots with a clear sight of goal) since he's been at the club. Think he's 40%, Rooney 43% and Berbatov 52% iirc.

Pogue Mahone · 10th January 2012, 12:57

Why is he being criticised? I think it's largely down to him playing badly in every game he started this season. You know, the obvious reason.

I don't think anyone's written him off. Loads of different, very valid, reasons to excuse this dip in form. He'll come good.

Burrow · 10th January 2012, 12:58

I think it's a matter of us 'struggling' in attack when it comes to link-up play and combinations, combined with the fact that we're chasing City in the league which means that we're hoping for some sort of sign that we're becoming a machinery again. The introduction of Welbeck have made us see how good we're looking in attack with someone who's able to link up with the midfield and produce something on his own, while our games with Hernandez have been games where we've attacked teams who've parked the bus, thus not allowing Hernandez any space to run into.

I also think it's something to do with teams not being certain of what they could expect from Hernandez in his first season with us, but more teams seems to be aware of his amazing pace which means their defensive line will drop further back, then say if we play with Berbatov up top. I'm sure both the team and Hernandez himself will adjust his overall play to suit all parties, and he'll become great in games where he's being forced to be involved, and not simply being a great poacher.

Wowi · 10th January 2012, 13:00

I think people (myself included, although I still love the little guy!) are just expecting him to be smarter. And that he improves his game. He's been needlessly offside countless of times this season and while he's still a very good finisher, his build-up play still needs a lot of work.

I also think it has a lot to do with Welbeck. He can make the run in behind the defence (and he's rarely offside), his finishing is probably as good as Hernandez' and his build-up play is excellent. I have no doubt that Hernandez will be a good player for us in the coming years, but people probably expected more from him after a great first season.

Plechazunga · 10th January 2012, 13:00

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Originally Posted by marjen

I aired this notion last season as well, however it was ignored and swept to the back of my mind due to his goalscoring exploits:

His overall game is severely lacking.

I think Welbeck has shown how much Rooney, Nani etc. comes to life when they've got a striker who can both lead the line AND contribute to the build-up. Welbeck's a real menace on the ball, as he'll pick holes in your defence if you let him turn. Also, he can run at you.

Hernandez is poor with the ball at his feet, contributes little to nothing in the build-up, and usually plays a unnecesarry first time pass backwards if he receives the ball with his back to the goal. Not a great deal of vision or awareness on him.

The bloody strange thing is, though, inside the box he suddenly accquires this velvet-like first touch and bloody quick feet to finish off whatever comes his way. His movement is obviously top class(when on song) and he's got pace to burn. So his qualities are obvious, he's just limited to scoring goals and not much else, and as such, it's bloody frustrating when he's out of form because his contribution is nothing at all.

His build-up play's not the best, but the fact that as you say his touch and reactions are so good in the box makes me think it will improve.

ArmchairCritic · 10th January 2012, 13:01

All this talk about teams adapting to his movement and what not, I think they try but the way he did Cahill shows there's really little you can do about it also dropping deeper is the wrong way to deal with it, it allows the likes of Nani and Rooney space. Barca had it down to tee to be honest but they are a unique team. Hernandez is just out of form. It's like people writing off Valencia earlier on in the season, no ones complaining much about his one footedness now are they?

R.Nilsson7 · 10th January 2012, 13:02

I think it's more that people are starting to point out his weaknesses as many people are not having it, thinking he's close to perfect. I don't think he's been too bad this season though.

Brwned · 10th January 2012, 13:02

There were a few moaning about him any time he wasn't scoring last year, so I think part of it is these people now jumping at the chance to say 'look at me, I was right, look how limited he is, look how poor technically he is!' and the other part is people just being a bit knee-jerk. Well, they're both being knee-jerk.

Someone made a point yesterday that he has played a lot of football in the last two years (mixed in with plenty of travelling)...he's basically played non-stop for two years, with such an explosive game surely taking a lot of you, and his style of play relies on that sharpness always being there.

marjen · 10th January 2012, 13:03

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

His build-up play's not the best, but the fact that as you say his touch and reactions are so good in the box makes me think it will improve.

I certainly hope so. At the moment his hold up play is just miles behind every other striker at the club, even Macheda's got more to his overall game than Hernandez.

Also, I've seen him play neat passes, like a great pass for Owen(I think) against Wolves last season in the Carling Cup, and a neat one he slipped in for Rooney to score against Schalke. It seems to me that all the best parts of his game happens on instinct, if you know what I mean. Where he doesn't have much time to think.

With his back to the goal, he is not only unaware of what's around him, often he doesn't realize that he's got no one behind him and can easily turn! It's incredibly frustrating to watch when we try and break down stubborn opponents.

He'll get amongst the goals sooner rather than later of course, his movement and finishing is just too good for it not to happen.

SteveJ · 10th January 2012, 13:04

Perhaps, to get the best out of him, we need a specialist play-maker. And I don't mean Shakespeare.

Smores · 10th January 2012, 13:04

I think it's a number of things really. He set the bar high so now his current goal scoring rate is judged as poor (6 in 11 starts in the prem) and then the fact a lot of people have a soft spot for Welbeck (4 in 11 starts in the prem) and on top of that quite a lot of people don't seem to like poachers. He's looked tired all season to me, glad he's not having to play every game as it should see him recover soon enough.

When the rest of our team are on form he has to play as he'll put the chances away like no other will.

ArmchairCritic · 10th January 2012, 13:05

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Originally Posted by marjen

I certainly hope so. At the moment his hold up play is just miles behind every other striker at the club, even Macheda's got more to his overall game than Hernandez.

Nah I'm not letting that slide, Macheda does have a better hold up game but I haven't seen that in a United shirt for a while. His first touch makes me want to cry sometimes.

#07 · 10th January 2012, 13:06

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Originally Posted by Scots Crusader

This. Anyone who has the off-the-ball movement of Chicho will score, but we are not quite playing fast enough football at the minute to utilise his runs, causing a heap of offsides. The kid will come good.

Its cool we got Scholes now and Cleverley's back next month...

marjen · 10th January 2012, 13:06

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Originally Posted by ArmchairCritic

Nah I'm not letting that slide, Macheda does have a better hold up game but I haven't seen that in a United shirt for a while. His first touch makes me want to cry sometimes.

The last time I noticed it perhaps were when we beat Tottenham 3-1 in the 2009/10 season at OT. He came in, and transformed our attack.

True that he's been absolutely shite for a while in a United-shirt, though.

Decotron · 10th January 2012, 13:10

I thought there was a spell in the city game where we were crying out for him. Their defensive line was in tatters, it was ideal for him. Ive absoutely no worries about him for the future.

Eyepopper · 10th January 2012, 13:13

Fox in the box, not as good outside it.

His form has dipped for a whole host of reasons, not getting regular games, injury, overall form of the team, confidence, and despite people saying its a myth, second season syndrome, defenders know what to expect from him now.... but he'll come good.

People just love to focus on players who experience dips in form.

SteveJ · 10th January 2012, 13:15

I love Hernandez but Welbeck's performance on Sunday made me realise why he's picked ahead of Javier; Danny's play was even more impressive than Rooney's, I thought.

tintedsepia · 10th January 2012, 13:25

I don't think people have turned on Hernandez.

I think he's not quite on the form he was last year. As we've said I think he needs a rest - although he's been carrying injuries and perhaps he'll regain form by the end of this season - other than that after pre-season next season he'll be firing again. Goes like that sometimes.

Stack · 10th January 2012, 13:30

What a complete load of bollocks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by marjen

I aired this notion last season as well, however it was ignored and swept to the back of my mind due to his goalscoring exploits:

His overall game is severely lacking.

I think Welbeck has shown how much Rooney, Nani etc. comes to life when they've got a striker who can both lead the line AND contribute to the build-up. Welbeck's a real menace on the ball, as he'll pick holes in your defence if you let him turn. Also, he can run at you.

Hernandez is poor with the ball at his feet, contributes little to nothing in the build-up, and usually plays a unnecesarry first time pass backwards if he receives the ball with his back to the goal. Not a great deal of vision or awareness on him.

The bloody strange thing is, though, inside the box he suddenly accquires this velvet-like first touch and bloody quick feet to finish off whatever comes his way. His movement is obviously top class(when on song) and he's got pace to burn. So his qualities are obvious, he's just limited to scoring goals and not much else, and as such, it's bloody frustrating when he's out of form because his contribution is nothing at all.

Ramshock · 10th January 2012, 13:30

because internet forums are full of fickle fat cunts who think they know better than anyone else?

marjen · 10th January 2012, 13:31

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Originally Posted by Stack

What a complete load of bollocks.

Why is that? Well articulated response.

hungrywing · 10th January 2012, 13:31

He's still on pace for a decent tally.

Then there's the issue of irregular appearances due to the need to bed Welbeck into the team, something that's kept Berba out of the spotlight as well.

Been posted before, but Rooney-Hernandez-Welbeck-Berbatov is a seriously diverse striker stable, with Rooney being a nailed-on starter causing most of the 'trouble' regarding perceived slumps in form from the others.

Ramshock · 10th January 2012, 13:31

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Originally Posted by marjen

I aired this notion last season as well, however it was ignored and swept to the back of my mind due to his goalscoring exploits:

His overall game is severely lacking.

I think Welbeck has shown how much Rooney, Nani etc. comes to life when they've got a striker who can both lead the line AND contribute to the build-up. Welbeck's a real menace on the ball, as he'll pick holes in your defence if you let him turn. Also, he can run at you.

Hernandez is poor with the ball at his feet, contributes little to nothing in the build-up, and usually plays a unnecesarry first time pass backwards if he receives the ball with his back to the goal. Not a great deal of vision or awareness on him.

The bloody strange thing is, though, inside the box he suddenly accquires this velvet-like first touch and bloody quick feet to finish off whatever comes his way. His movement is obviously top class(when on song) and he's got pace to burn. So his qualities are obvious, he's just limited to scoring goals and not much else, and as such, it's bloody frustrating when he's out of form because his contribution is nothing at all.

see above

marjen · 10th January 2012, 13:32

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Originally Posted by Ramshock

see above

It's true though - his overall play doesn't contribute much at all, and when he's not on song, he's frustrating because his contribution is so limited when he's not scoring. I don't see how you can deny any of that?

Cina · 10th January 2012, 13:34

because he was bought for peanuts and had an unbelievably brilliant first season, and like the case with most young players in the PL, he has suffered an inevitable dip in form this season.

He's a poacher, always will be, and he'll score a shitload of goals for this club. Can't understand why he's getting such stick.

Ramshock · 10th January 2012, 13:38

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Originally Posted by marjen

It's true though - his overall play doesn't contribute much at all, and when he's not on song, he's frustrating because his contribution is so limited when he's not scoring. I don't see how you can deny any of that?

What strikers contribution..apart from Rooney, is anything more than limited when they arent scoring? Whats Berba do? Wellbeck? I dont think I heard Berbas name mentioned once in the Newcastle game!

ha_rooney · 10th January 2012, 13:40

He's struggled this year due to lack of pre-season, injuries and exhaustion. His game is about goalscoring and there is still nobody better at creating chances through their off the ball movement or finishing chances than Chicha imo.

He's also struggled playing in-front of an ordinary midfield who can't create chances for him and as his overall game outside the box isn't great, so when the team fails to create chances Hernandez struggles to have an impact in the game and looks an 'ordinary' player. I'd like to see him play more often with Rooney, don't think we've seen it too often this season.

marjen · 10th January 2012, 13:41

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Originally Posted by Ramshock

What strikers contribution..apart from Rooney, is anything more than limited when they arent scoring? Whats Berba do? Wellbeck? I dont think I heard Berbas name mentioned once in the Newcastle game!

Are you for real?

Wayne Rooney is probably our most important attacking player, due to everything he does besides scoring! Linking up play, spreading the play, switching play, etc.

Welbeck's interplay his probably his biggest strength!

And Berba's one of the players that make things happen out of nowhere.

It's not really a controversial opinion that Hernandez's overall game isn't as good as the other strikers at this club, it's plain for everyone to see. Naturally people will bemoan that fact when the question "who plays up top with Rooney" arises. It's the very reason I want Welbeck to be our first choice striker.

Ramshock · 10th January 2012, 13:41

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Originally Posted by ha_rooney

He's struggled this year due to lack of pre-season, injuries and exhaustion. His game is about goalscoring and there is still nobody better at creating chances through their off the ball movement or finishing chances than Chicha imo.

He's also struggled playing in-front of an ordinary midfield who can't create chances for him and as his overall game outside the box isn't great, so when the team fails to create chances Hernandez struggles to have an impact in the game and looks an 'ordinary' player. I'd like to see him play more often with Rooney, don't think we've seen it too often this season.

BING FUCKIN O..well said mate!

10th January 2012, 12:52	#1 (permalink)
Plechazunga Phones, soup, paint, chairs and computers are troubling. Join Date: May 2003 Location: Where Albert Stubbins scored a diving header Posts: 47,728	Why have people turned on Hernandez? You go away from the forum for a few months, and suddenly everyone's favourite fast-as-fuck deal-of-the-century religious maniac predator is a pariah figure. He's in a run of poor form, but he's still a brilliant finisher and fantastic at getting in scoring positions. He's young, it's his second season where defenders have had a chance to look at him and get used to his movement a bit... this is all completely normal. He'll score a ton of goals for United. "Lord, please make it smell less round here"

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10th January 2012, 12:53	#2 (permalink)
R_Kelly No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: How do you expect to run with the wolves come night, when you spend all day sparring with the puppies? Posts: 38,660	Football fans are generally knee-jerk reactionaries.

10th January 2012, 12:54	#3 (permalink)
charleysurf Talks sense Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,612	Chicharito didn´t turn shite or anything. He´s just found himself in a situation where Welbeck suits the team play better. His goalpoaching would suit a team that were more dominant in matches. I could see him going to Real Madrid for big money and scoring obscene amounts of goals.

10th January 2012, 12:55	#4 (permalink)
ArmchairCritic First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves. Posts: 6,390	Because they are stupid. He's not had a proper rest for the last two off seasons with the World Cup and Gold Cup, he's also not had a proper pre-season this year with his head injury and he's had few niggles since. Also for Chico to play well he relies on his teammates to be playing well, him being offside is not so much his fault as it is the midfielder's for not spotting the runs. He'll score some mightily important goals in the run-in, just watch.

10th January 2012, 12:56	#6 (permalink)
ben_foster On Loan to Watford Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,058	nobody has turned on him people are just saying it like it is....he's woefully out of form. i love the lad but at the same time i know he has his limitations.

10th January 2012, 12:56	#7 (permalink)
marjen Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: at the back post, lurking around, waiting for an easy tap-in. Posts: 3,625	I aired this notion last season as well, however it was ignored and swept to the back of my mind due to his goalscoring exploits: His overall game is severely lacking. I think Welbeck has shown how much Rooney, Nani etc. comes to life when they've got a striker who can both lead the line AND contribute to the build-up. Welbeck's a real menace on the ball, as he'll pick holes in your defence if you let him turn. Also, he can run at you. Hernandez is poor with the ball at his feet, contributes little to nothing in the build-up, and usually plays a unnecesarry first time pass backwards if he receives the ball with his back to the goal. Not a great deal of vision or awareness on him. The bloody strange thing is, though, inside the box he suddenly accquires this velvet-like first touch and bloody quick feet to finish off whatever comes his way. His movement is obviously top class(when on song) and he's got pace to burn. So his qualities are obvious, he's just limited to scoring goals and not much else, and as such, it's bloody frustrating when he's out of form because his contribution is nothing at all.

10th January 2012, 12:57	#8 (permalink)
Sunny Jim First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warsaw...that's too far away from Edinburgh... Posts: 14,700	Chichartio is having a weird season, be it for the injuries or mythical second season syndrom. Byt still - he is a loveable chap who works his socks off for us. I dont see any reason to have a go at him.

10th January 2012, 12:57	#10 (permalink)
ArmchairCritic First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves. Posts: 6,390	I think he's a better all round player then some give him credit for, just hasn't put it all together this year.

10th January 2012, 12:57	#12 (permalink)
Feeky_Magee First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: “They are the original colours of Manchester United and the fans wear them because they love this club. They have their reasons for doing it and we don’t think that they’re crazy. They’d like things to change.” Posts: 6,149	Funnily enough, he's behind both Berbatov and Rooney in terms of finishing clear-cut chances (defined as penalties, one-on-ones, free headers close to the goal and shots with a clear sight of goal) since he's been at the club. Think he's 40%, Rooney 43% and Berbatov 52% iirc.

10th January 2012, 12:57	#13 (permalink)
Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "like a man in silk pyjamas shooting pigeons from a deckchair" Posts: 59,522	Why is he being criticised? I think it's largely down to him playing badly in every game he started this season. You know, the obvious reason. I don't think anyone's written him off. Loads of different, very valid, reasons to excuse this dip in form. He'll come good.

10th January 2012, 12:58	#14 (permalink)
Burrow First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: The Mighty Swansea! Posts: 9,148	I think it's a matter of us 'struggling' in attack when it comes to link-up play and combinations, combined with the fact that we're chasing City in the league which means that we're hoping for some sort of sign that we're becoming a machinery again. The introduction of Welbeck have made us see how good we're looking in attack with someone who's able to link up with the midfield and produce something on his own, while our games with Hernandez have been games where we've attacked teams who've parked the bus, thus not allowing Hernandez any space to run into. I also think it's something to do with teams not being certain of what they could expect from Hernandez in his first season with us, but more teams seems to be aware of his amazing pace which means their defensive line will drop further back, then say if we play with Berbatov up top. I'm sure both the team and Hernandez himself will adjust his overall play to suit all parties, and he'll become great in games where he's being forced to be involved, and not simply being a great poacher.

10th January 2012, 13:00	#15 (permalink)
Wowi Rød grød med fløde Join Date: May 2009 Location: Denmark Posts: 3,071	I think people (myself included, although I still love the little guy!) are just expecting him to be smarter. And that he improves his game. He's been needlessly offside countless of times this season and while he's still a very good finisher, his build-up play still needs a lot of work. I also think it has a lot to do with Welbeck. He can make the run in behind the defence (and he's rarely offside), his finishing is probably as good as Hernandez' and his build-up play is excellent. I have no doubt that Hernandez will be a good player for us in the coming years, but people probably expected more from him after a great first season.

10th January 2012, 13:01	#17 (permalink)
ArmchairCritic First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves. Posts: 6,390	All this talk about teams adapting to his movement and what not, I think they try but the way he did Cahill shows there's really little you can do about it also dropping deeper is the wrong way to deal with it, it allows the likes of Nani and Rooney space. Barca had it down to tee to be honest but they are a unique team. Hernandez is just out of form. It's like people writing off Valencia earlier on in the season, no ones complaining much about his one footedness now are they?

10th January 2012, 13:02	#18 (permalink)
R.Nilsson7 First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The light behind your eyes Posts: 17,440	I think it's more that people are starting to point out his weaknesses as many people are not having it, thinking he's close to perfect. I don't think he's been too bad this season though.

10th January 2012, 13:02	#19 (permalink)
Brwned Poster of the year: 2010 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 33,938	There were a few moaning about him any time he wasn't scoring last year, so I think part of it is these people now jumping at the chance to say 'look at me, I was right, look how limited he is, look how poor technically he is!' and the other part is people just being a bit knee-jerk. Well, they're both being knee-jerk. Someone made a point yesterday that he has played a lot of football in the last two years (mixed in with plenty of travelling)...he's basically played non-stop for two years, with such an explosive game surely taking a lot of you, and his style of play relies on that sharpness always being there.

10th January 2012, 13:04	#21 (permalink)
SteveJ Nicest fella on the Caf and Newbie of the Year 2011 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The Divided Kingdom Posts: 11,926	Perhaps, to get the best out of him, we need a specialist play-maker. And I don't mean Shakespeare.

10th January 2012, 13:04	#22 (permalink)
Smores First Team Sub Join Date: May 2011 Location: Dark side of the moon Posts: 6,452	I think it's a number of things really. He set the bar high so now his current goal scoring rate is judged as poor (6 in 11 starts in the prem) and then the fact a lot of people have a soft spot for Welbeck (4 in 11 starts in the prem) and on top of that quite a lot of people don't seem to like poachers. He's looked tired all season to me, glad he's not having to play every game as it should see him recover soon enough. When the rest of our team are on form he has to play as he'll put the chances away like no other will.

10th January 2012, 13:10	#26 (permalink)
Decotron First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: I am not a man......................I am Cantona Posts: 20,025	I thought there was a spell in the city game where we were crying out for him. Their defensive line was in tatters, it was ideal for him. Ive absoutely no worries about him for the future.

10th January 2012, 13:13	#27 (permalink)
Eyepopper Lowering the tone since 2006 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, think I'm heading home! Posts: 50,190	Fox in the box, not as good outside it. His form has dipped for a whole host of reasons, not getting regular games, injury, overall form of the team, confidence, and despite people saying its a myth, second season syndrome, defenders know what to expect from him now.... but he'll come good. People just love to focus on players who experience dips in form.

10th January 2012, 13:15	#28 (permalink)
SteveJ Nicest fella on the Caf and Newbie of the Year 2011 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The Divided Kingdom Posts: 11,926	I love Hernandez but Welbeck's performance on Sunday made me realise why he's picked ahead of Javier; Danny's play was even more impressive than Rooney's, I thought.

10th January 2012, 13:25	#29 (permalink)
tintedsepia Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,240	I don't think people have turned on Hernandez. I think he's not quite on the form he was last year. As we've said I think he needs a rest - although he's been carrying injuries and perhaps he'll regain form by the end of this season - other than that after pre-season next season he'll be firing again. Goes like that sometimes.

10th January 2012, 13:30	#31 (permalink)
Ramshock poster of nonsense Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Four Green Fields Posts: 10,350	because internet forums are full of fickle fat cunts who think they know better than anyone else?

10th January 2012, 13:31	#33 (permalink)
hungrywing First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Your Left Ventricle Posts: 5,561	He's still on pace for a decent tally. Then there's the issue of irregular appearances due to the need to bed Welbeck into the team, something that's kept Berba out of the spotlight as well. Been posted before, but Rooney-Hernandez-Welbeck-Berbatov is a seriously diverse striker stable, with Rooney being a nailed-on starter causing most of the 'trouble' regarding perceived slumps in form from the others.

10th January 2012, 13:34	#36 (permalink)
Cina I hate everything Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 13,939	because he was bought for peanuts and had an unbelievably brilliant first season, and like the case with most young players in the PL, he has suffered an inevitable dip in form this season. He's a poacher, always will be, and he'll score a shitload of goals for this club. Can't understand why he's getting such stick.

10th January 2012, 13:40	#38 (permalink)
ha_rooney First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10,109	He's struggled this year due to lack of pre-season, injuries and exhaustion. His game is about goalscoring and there is still nobody better at creating chances through their off the ball movement or finishing chances than Chicha imo. He's also struggled playing in-front of an ordinary midfield who can't create chances for him and as his overall game outside the box isn't great, so when the team fails to create chances Hernandez struggles to have an impact in the game and looks an 'ordinary' player. I'd like to see him play more often with Rooney, don't think we've seen it too often this season.