Sympathy and Support for Fabrice Muamba

bazalini

I ain't on Twitter anymore and Facebook is for business - I entirely agree with you about what you say urban-ned. I'm sick of it now. I've now decided to stop letting the internet upset me. You cannot control it and people you do not know. I just have to set a standard for me, my family and the people around me.

That'sHernandez

Probably not on topic but something I don't personally appreciate is this "Pray For Muamba" stuff, I understand why people say it; some are religious, others have no other way of expressing their hope he pulls through in an easy soundbite, given "Get well soon, Muamba" is a bit of a mouthful. I personally just don't like being told to pray or people assuming I believe in a God to pray to. That doesn't mean I don't hope he gets better, I just wish people could find a different way of expressing that hope and showing he is in their thoughts, I don't think religion should come into it.

rednev

Yeah, I agree. Even if you believe in God, surely nobody is thick enough to believe that God is going to answer a prayer for Muamba but not for the millions of dying children around the world? Well intentioned or not, 'Pray for Muamba' is an incredibly dumb and thoughtless statement.

Jippy

I see what you are saying and I am not religious whatsoever either, but this doesn't feel like the issue round which to base a theological discussion. I know you know this, but it has really in the main just become a catchphrase to wish him well for better or for worse.

That'sHernandez

Yeah I get that and understand that but for me personally, it's not something I feel comfortable saying or being told to do; I don't need to pray to wish someone well.

Jippy

Me neither. and on one level it's almost like that pressure to wear a poppy. All I would say is best wishes to him likewise. Doesn't mean I feel or care any less as am sure you feel.

Vidic_In_Moscow

I think it's sort of irrelevant that it precisely says 'Pray' for him, and more of just a phrase everybody can use to show support and solidarity. I wouldn't read too much into the praying aspect, just how I look at it anyway.

Moyespopper

Grief is linked to attachment, the closer you feel to someone, and the nature of your relationship influence how you are impacted.

Google 'attachment theory on grief/loss'

Pretty straight forward.

Moyespopper

Do you rock up at funerals and tell the mourners how they're wasting their time?

I'm in no way religious, but honestly, if people want to pray who gives a shit, bar one or two pedants on the Internet like.

Trionz

I am an Athiest, but i don't get what's so incredibly dumb and thoughtless about that statement.

Pray for Muamba, wish him well, hope he is okay are all just collection of words, in a very positive manner; and as someone who can't add much to the situation, all they can do is hope or pray.

EricaNo7

Couldn't agree more - I'm not particularly religious but it's the positive thoughts that count. I can't see how it can possibly be described as thoughtless

ukbob

Like yours were for me xxxx

Big-Red

The pray for Muamba doesn't bother me, but I do feel a twinge of..something, when people thank the prayers and not the medical staff who have saved his life. Thank both if you must.

dumbo

Well I think your type are fucking pathetic for using something as innocuous as an expression of good will, for a sick man, as an excuse to get on your soap box and bang on about how special you think you are, for being an atheist.

dumbo

Yeah, when did these events happen?

Broyphs

It doesn't fucking matter whether she's right or wrong, it's what she believes and it seems to give her comfort. Can't that be enough?

Hectic

I can't see how people can care enough about who she chooses to credit the recovery considering what has and is happening. What kind of point are you really trying to make here?

That'sHernandez

Making assumptions there, mate. I didn't say I am atheist and I wouldn't say that it's pathetic that someone, in a secular society, would prefer that religion weren't used to express good will. If you read, I said I understand why people do it and I have no problem with that but it doesn't particularly sit right with me.

Mr Anderson

Really are too many close minded people in this thread. So what if you you dont believe in religion, or of different faith? I couldnt care less about religion either, but I do respect others choices.

Behind the scenes the docs will be getting alot of credit, and I'm sure once Fabrice is stable enough he will release some form of a statement thanking everyone involved in his recovery, and rightfully so. Lets just hope/pray/silent-thoughts that he gets that far.

rednev

Following on from the discussion in the Muamba thread:

'Respect' is a very vague word. Does your definition of the word include immunity from criticism? Interesting. If you're so big on respecting people's beliefs, why don't you respect my belief and my right to express it? By taking objection to my post, you're just doing the same thing that you're criticising me for...which was taking objection to a post made on Twitter. There's nothing wrong with taking objection, by the way.

Tact doesn't come into it. I wouldn't dream of taking the same objection to her directly. That would be a different matter entirely. I'm fairly sure she doesn't read the Caf.

kouroux

rednev is some special kinda cunt.Unbelievable stuff.Certain things (tragedies or terrible accident) should be above the religious debate.What his gf said, the poor girl do you even imagine how she must have these last few days ? To criticize her for mentioning some divine intervention and not mentioning the doctors, that's some new low.

Snow

The wife tweeted this. Said that the prayers made him strong and god is good.

rednev

Maybe you need reminding of the Caf rules, in particular the one about not being abusing to other members?

Just because you don't like my view, it doesn't mean I'm not entitled to it.

Mickey

Bit silly rednev. Theres a time and place.

Hectic

Yeah we have no objection to what kouroux said.

kouroux

There is no point to be made.Only arguing for the sake of it

kouroux

I'll accept my infraction (if it comes) without any problem at all.I stand by what I said.

Hectic

Exactly, for the pure sake of it. There is no point of contention to be made. How someone can take offense at what she said is just mind blowing.

Mickey

What you said and did was inappropriate, and some may find it offensive.

Youre technically right in what you've just said, but what you just did was morally wrong tbh.

Persian-Fred

Not trying to start another debate, but you're probably the least suitable person to tell people what is silly to say and what isn't Mickers.

Mickey

Except thats exactly what youre doing.

If you cant tell the difference between what ive debated in the past and what rednev is debating now, god help you.

Snow

Well, it's more of the point that it's all because of God really. God is the reason Kanye is a famous rapper and Bolt is great at running and actors win Oscars and presidents get elected and Muamba didn't die. It's crediting prayers instead of hard work. I respect hard work and hard work isn't given enough credit. Some people work hard their whole lives without getting any credit. Why is it so hard to acknowledge that kind of work? That's what annoys me personally.

Years of medical school and and years of working as a doctor and day to day learning to keep up being a good doctor and decades of medical science saved his life.

I'm not going to make this personal or anything because Ms. Muamba is surely in a different state from her normal self because of the situation her family is in but if she genuinely believes that prayers and God is the reason Muamba is still alive then I find her ignorant. I'm happy for her but she's ignorant if she believes it. It's not the same as believing God gave humans the knowledge to combat these terrible afflictions he gave to humans as well (because he's a crazy bastard that God) because then you still need the hard work.

The craziest thing about this all is that non-religious people are the most annoyed by this because surely this kind of statement is considered blasphemous?

kouroux

I honestly wonder if on other internet forums they're even "debating" that part of this on-going story.Judging someone who's has been terribly shocked from a emotional point of view and mostly for something so meaningless, I just don't get it.It doesn't matter what who she thanks or who she truly believes played a role in this.

Persian-Fred

Whatever Mickey. I'm just telling you that after your disastrous performance in the homosexuality thread you telling people what sounds silly is very rich.

Snow

Isn't that the whole point of internet forums?

US election, Uganda, religion. I'm not Ugandan, I don't live in the US and I'm not religious but I can still discuss them all. Of course people argue for different reasons. I would like to think that me arguing and reading about others arguing might actually teach me or someone else about one thing or another. I've learnt the most about religions talking about it with priests. If I only talk to atheists about it I only get the one perspective.

Now, situation like this with Muamba always make some individuals prop up who are insensitive (like this twitter guy) and other things prop up for various reasons. Maybe you had a bad day and need to vent. Forums are the best way to do that because you went without personally hurting someone else's feelings because you have the need for it.

I find it perfectly understandable that someone might find it offensive that she credited god and prayers as the reason for Muamba still being with us. She might very well have thanked the doctors but we don't know that because she's only tweeted about god. Now why can't that be offensive to some people just as much as it's offensive to others that evolution is being taught in school?

rednev

Morally wrong? Get a grip.

Mickey

And im just telling you, do one. Youre a leech that cant think for himself to be blunt, so youll jump onto anything popular.

Dont bother replying as i wont reply back.

Striker10

My take on what his gf said, is that she's very emotional. She's probably not slept since it's happened. I think it's completely natural what she has said because what she's seen is people's sorrow and all we (outsiders) can do is pray. We can't affect what goes on inside the hospital.

I think it's a difficult situation, it's really poor taste to slag the girl of, but we all make mistakes.

kouroux

"Offensive" ?? Aren't you being a bit OTT here ? Are you personally related to the doctors or something ?
Why do you even care so much about who she should thank ? What you're in school is one thing and what one says after being emotionally shaken are two completely different matter.It's very stupid not to see the difference.THE CONTEXT IS NOT THE SAME

In a nutshell.Whatever she'll say will be affected by emotion so no point in truly analyzing her words.

Mickey

The lad was on the brink of death saturday night, we all thought he was a goner. Hes barely said a word since, and youre having a go at his finance (who no doubt believed her future husband, father to her child was about to die), for failing to mention doctors in a friggin tweet? Tell me how morally acceptable? Its disrespect and rudeness of the highest order.

The lad was within an inch of death and you can do is moan about who gets credit. I think its you that needs to get a frigging grip.